$500 Fine for Pets not Spayed or Neutered by 4 MONTHS!!!

[Tytainea]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Yes, but it will affect your economy....no dog shows in the state of California as it doesn't make allowances for those traveling into the state.

So doe sthat mean that if you have a pet that is not spayed you can not bring them to Cali on a vacation? I'm not sure I understand.

[Yorkie3]

I'm really not sure what to think. I know something, somehow, should be done but how are they going to monitor every person who owns a dog when they can't even find criminals? Sounds like Big Brother is getting closer and closer.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Yes, but it will affect your economy....no dog shows in the state of California as it doesn't make allowances for those traveling into the state. No it won't deter the puppy millers, they'll just pay the fees....they are making big bucks......and it won't deter those such as the "Hunt Corporation" Dog wholesaler, who has made millions off of the importation of dogs from other countries and selling them, to millers and pet stores.

I don't guess I understand what you are saying with "doesn't make allowances for those traveling into the state." You really think that most puppy-mills are going to pay $100 per breeding dog that they have??

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Tytainea

So doe sthat mean that if you have a pet that is not spayed you can not bring them to Cali on a vacation? I'm not sure I understand.

Exactly what it means.....

visit the akc website, there is more info on the bill

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

I don't guess I understand what you are saying with "doesn't make allowances for those traveling into the state." You really think that most puppy-mills are going to pay $100 per breeding dog that they have??

Yes, I do. It will not stop the millers or dog wholesalers...they have the money to pay the fees, they breed to sell dogs for big bucks. The bill will have a major impact on the small hobby breeder/dog fancier, but won't touch the miller or dog wholesellers.

I mean that those coming in from other states will not be able to travel there if there dogs are not altered.....

[Tytainea]

Forgive me for sounding ignorant here but I dont know much (really nothing) about dog shows. Are all the dogs in the shows not spayed or neutered? Is that a rule that they cant be to be show dogs?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Tytainea

Forgive me for sounding ignorant here but I dont know much (really nothing) about dog shows. Are all the dogs in the shows not spayed or neutered? Is that a rule that they cant be to be show dogs?

All dogs that are showed at conformation events are intact. The whole purpose of a dog show is to gain approval of your breeding stock.

[Tytainea]

ok I see. Thanks you.
And here I thought of it as a "my doggy is better looking than yours" type of event.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Tytainea

ok I see. Thanks you.
And here I thought of it as a "my doggy is better looking than yours" type of event.

Well when you look it at that way....it's an kind of good way of putting it. But, seriously you're asking the judge to evaluate your dog, against the standard.

[yorkiepip]

Originally Posted by Tytainea

i also think its a good idea. However, I think that the age of spay or neuter should depend on the breed and or weight of the dog. A Lab at 4 months is going to be much bigger than a yorkie or chi or maltese. Perhaps you should have to notify someone when you get your puppy of what age he or she is and what breed and weight and then get a time frame from there. Like saying you have a yorkie that is 3 months and 2 lbs it may not be healthy enough to spay by 4 months. So maybe you could be given a grace period of a few months for that particular dog.

[LuvMySissy]

4 months is much too young. Think of all the breeders out there who evalute a pup for up to a year before decided if they are breeding quality. And that is just one scenario. Angel is 5.5 months and I'm not even thinking about spaying yet. I want to wait till more like 7-8 months to make sure we don't need to have another appointment for pulling teeth.

While I agree in principle that something needs to be done to stop puppy mills and needless widespread euthanasia of unwanted animals, I really don't think this will do it. After all, pets are supposed to be licensed as well and how many do you know that don't do that?!!

[browniesmom622]

i believe in highly with spay & neuter i dont see unless your dog is amazing quality it should be breed
but i hope they will allow a letter from the vet saying it cant be done til there older for the smaller ones im sure they will understand
i think the bill is a great idea i hope it comes here !!

[MsCheryle478]

I guess there is no clear cut answer. As someone else posted, responsible pet owners will comply. They seem to be the ones complying anyway. I used to live in a neighborhood and there was only one neighbor who allowed her cat to run free. I would see him periodically. Now my Mom's neighborhood is full of cats running free. Most I would assume are not fixed. Real common for that neighborhood. If that bill were passed in her state I can't see all those neighbors suddenly scooping up their cats and going in to be fixed. Goes back to responsible pet ownership. I don't have any of my girls fixed. Just my male Chin to avoid unplanned babies. My Malinois isn't fixed either, he is Schutzhund titled.

[Mardelin]

Remember there are two sets of organizations One Animal Rights; PETA, HSUS, the ones that have introduced this bill and wanting to do away with all pet ownership....and they will succeed if we don't arm ourselves with knowledge. #2. Animal Welfare groups that are fighting for the welfare and proper care of animals....this is where our donations should be going to.

[Tytainea]

I will do more research into this, but why would poeple want to stop all pet ownership? I do believe there are certain people that should not be allowed to have pets ( I believe some should not have children as well). BUt why would you stop pet ownership all together?