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ChocoMilk · 11-08-2010, 11:05 AM

I don't think they get their puppies from puppy mills but wanted to make sure they are reputable breeders. thanks!

lillymae · 11-08-2010, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ChocoMilk

I don't think they get their puppies from puppy mills but wanted to make sure they are reputable breeders. thanks!

If a puppy is for sale in a pet store , you can bet they did not come from a reputable breeder. No good breeder sells puppies from pet stores. There are many reputable breeders here on YT in the breeder section. PLEASE don't buy a puppy from a pet store. I'm sure others will be here soon to help you out .

lillymae · 11-08-2010, 11:13 PM

I just realized you posted in regional. If you go to forums and start a new thread in General Yorkshire Terrier Discussion you will get allot more action. There are a lot of very helpful and experienced people here on YT and some very good breeders that could help you or possibly refer you to someone in your area. There is lots of good info on YT so look around here and do your research before you add your new family member.
Welcome to YT

FlDebra · 11-08-2010, 11:38 PM

I would want to know more about where they are raised. Not the "store" where they bring them in to clean up, give shots, and take pictures but the "ranch" where they lived with their mother. Says a large ranch -- that can easily be a puppymill. Are they in stacked cages? Any daily exercise? Do the adult dogs ever get to play and enjoy life? Just because it is family owned, does not mean it is not a mill. Is the Puppyland Store a pet shop or a place just for them to bring their pups to sell? Either way, it makes me leery -- why are they not selling directly from where they are raised? The answer to that question is usually that it is a puppymill and you would not want to do business if you saw the conditions animals are kept in. Not saying their "ranch" is like this but I am saying a flag is raised when they want to sell from a different location. I would want to see first hand this ranch where they are raising dogs.

I think from reading a few of their testimonials, that they are selling them to go to new homes at 8 weeks -- Toy dogs should stay with mom and siblings until at least 12 weeks and 2 pounds.

They also sell by size: "We have a wide range in prices from $900 to $2600. On average we sell our puppies for $1600 to $1800. The smaller the puppy will be at adult weight, the more it will cost. " I don't particularly liek that especially because even their own site explains that there is no way to guarantee the adult size. They do refrain from the teacup, micro, mini terms as a comeon.

They will do business with puppy brokers (they say they would rather not but they DO) is not a good sign.

Check out the puppy health guarantee. I had to redo my computer and have still not gotten my Microsoft Office back on so I cannot read it all. It says replacement puppy of equal or lesser value no refunds. But the big thing I look for is that you can keep the puppy and they will share or pay for vet expenses if the puppy winds up having a congenital health problem. You bond with the puppy so strongly most people do not want to "trade them in." Breeders know that and they know if they offer only a replacement, making you turn in the puppy you chose, then they will get off the hook completely 9 times out of 10. Those kind of guarantees are like no guarantee at all. My contract included an option for them to keep the puppy and I would help with vet fees up to the cost of the puppy. That way if it was something big, they basically got a free pup. I also offered the opportunity to chose another puppy. Some are not willing to go through medical issues. That is okay too but I think they should have the choice. I alos offered their money back. I did include a option for myself to have the puppy examined by my own vet. Thta was a protection clause and not one I thught I would use. I never had to use any guarantee as they have all thankfully, been 100% healthy. But I only had 2 litters. A novice who stopped early.

Yo can tell a lot from the sles contract and health guarantee though. You will find out if they are in this for the money or if they truly care about the puppies. Caring breeders usually include a statement that puppies must come back to them for any rehoming. They want to know the puppy does not wind up going to a poor home or puppymill! They want the first option to find another thoroughly checked out home.

My first inclination is to stay away from any large business raising dogs. I just do not think you can do it right "en masse." They need some one on one attention, loving, exercise, play! I can't see how they can do that if they have dozens or even hundreds of dogs like so many do. But go see the place and make up your mind.

ChocoMilk · 11-09-2010, 09:19 AM

Thank you so much for your thorough reply Lilimae and Fldebra. I just wanted to know what the forum members would think if they came across such a site. I definitely heard from various sources that any reputable breeder would not sell on a website. However, there were some websites that seemed "genuine"- as for puppylandla.com, i had few friends buy from this website and they seemed to genuinely care for their puppies and they gave her assistance around the clock when she had questions regarding her baby. They are also CKC registered, which I thought meant a reputable breeder since they care about lineage. Downside was that while they seemed to care for their puppies and who they sell it to, as Fldebra has stated they are very money driven proven from the high costs of the puppies.

Another site I was curious about: NY - New York Maltese Puppies for Sale by Maltese Breeders - New York City, Hempstead, Long Island, Brookhaven, Oyster Bay, Buffalo, Rochester, and Yonkers
their puppies are AKC registered, and they only bring together the best breeders for maltese and sell them online. However, you cannot meet the parents for they are located in different parts of the country. I wasn't sure if this was a "shady business" either but from what I can tell, it seemed legit. Their prices run high though on the "smaller" yorkie as well.. going up to $2500!

So is it ok to assume that any breeder selling from a website/petstore or website without meeting the parents is a bad breeder?

OwnedByJezebel · 11-09-2010, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ChocoMilk

Thank you so much for your thorough reply Lilimae and Fldebra. I just wanted to know what the forum members would think if they came across such a site. I definitely heard from various sources that any reputable breeder would not sell on a website. However, there were some websites that seemed "genuine"- as for puppylandla.com, i had few friends buy from this website and they seemed to genuinely care for their puppies and they gave her assistance around the clock when she had questions regarding her baby. They are also CKC registered, which I thought meant a reputable breeder since they care about lineage. Downside was that while they seemed to care for their puppies and who they sell it to, as Fldebra has stated they are very money driven proven from the high costs of the puppies.

Another site I was curious about: NY - New York Maltese Puppies for Sale by Maltese Breeders - New York City, Hempstead, Long Island, Brookhaven, Oyster Bay, Buffalo, Rochester, and Yonkers
their puppies are AKC registered, and they only bring together the best breeders for maltese and sell them online. However, you cannot meet the parents for they are located in different parts of the country. I wasn't sure if this was a "shady business" either but from what I can tell, it seemed legit. Their prices run high though on the "smaller" yorkie as well.. going up to $2500!

So is it ok to assume that any breeder selling from a website/petstore or website without meeting the parents is a bad breeder?

CKC registration can be one of two things:

Canadian Kennel Club -- reputable, the Canadian counterpart to AKC
or
Continental Kennel Club -- just a piece of paper. They will take anyone's word as to the breed of the dog and register it for a fee. It is never used by reputable breeders.

Regarding the second website, they sound like brokers to me, and brokers are supplied by puppy mills. Sometimes the stud and the bitch are owned by two different people, so you might only be able to see the Mom, but if you can't see either of the parents and the pups somehow wind up in another part of the country, that is a big, red flag.

tkking17 · 11-14-2010, 09:54 PM

Hi! & Welcome!

The best way to find a puppy is to go to the AKC (American Kennel Club)'s regional or american website for whatever breed you are interested in.

YTCNC
Yorkshire Terrier Club of America
American Maltese Association

If you check these websites, you can get a referral to a quality breeder in your area. I have never heard of a good breeder who sells their puppies online or without meeting the prospective buyer and interviewing them. It is risky to purchase from such websites because many (most) of them are connected to puppy mills. In addition, these types of questionable breeders to not do genetic and others tests before breeding the pups. This means that you can end up with a dog that costs thousands later on in health problems. In addition, a dog from these websites is not bred to fulfill the AKC breed standard. This means you can end up with a dog that does not have the typical breed "look" or temprament.

Best of luck in your search!

11-08-2010, 11:05 AM	#1
ChocoMilk Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: New York City, California Posts: 85	Has anyone bought a puppy from puppylandla.com? I don't think they get their puppies from puppy mills but wanted to make sure they are reputable breeders. thanks!

11-08-2010, 11:38 PM	#4
FlDebra Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL Posts: 7,651	I would want to know more about where they are raised. Not the "store" where they bring them in to clean up, give shots, and take pictures but the "ranch" where they lived with their mother. Says a large ranch -- that can easily be a puppymill. Are they in stacked cages? Any daily exercise? Do the adult dogs ever get to play and enjoy life? Just because it is family owned, does not mean it is not a mill. Is the Puppyland Store a pet shop or a place just for them to bring their pups to sell? Either way, it makes me leery -- why are they not selling directly from where they are raised? The answer to that question is usually that it is a puppymill and you would not want to do business if you saw the conditions animals are kept in. Not saying their "ranch" is like this but I am saying a flag is raised when they want to sell from a different location. I would want to see first hand this ranch where they are raising dogs. I think from reading a few of their testimonials, that they are selling them to go to new homes at 8 weeks -- Toy dogs should stay with mom and siblings until at least 12 weeks and 2 pounds. They also sell by size: "We have a wide range in prices from $900 to $2600. On average we sell our puppies for $1600 to $1800. The smaller the puppy will be at adult weight, the more it will cost. " I don't particularly liek that especially because even their own site explains that there is no way to guarantee the adult size. They do refrain from the teacup, micro, mini terms as a comeon. They will do business with puppy brokers (they say they would rather not but they DO) is not a good sign. Check out the puppy health guarantee. I had to redo my computer and have still not gotten my Microsoft Office back on so I cannot read it all. It says replacement puppy of equal or lesser value no refunds. But the big thing I look for is that you can keep the puppy and they will share or pay for vet expenses if the puppy winds up having a congenital health problem. You bond with the puppy so strongly most people do not want to "trade them in." Breeders know that and they know if they offer only a replacement, making you turn in the puppy you chose, then they will get off the hook completely 9 times out of 10. Those kind of guarantees are like no guarantee at all. My contract included an option for them to keep the puppy and I would help with vet fees up to the cost of the puppy. That way if it was something big, they basically got a free pup. I also offered the opportunity to chose another puppy. Some are not willing to go through medical issues. That is okay too but I think they should have the choice. I alos offered their money back. I did include a option for myself to have the puppy examined by my own vet. Thta was a protection clause and not one I thught I would use. I never had to use any guarantee as they have all thankfully, been 100% healthy. But I only had 2 litters. A novice who stopped early. Yo can tell a lot from the sles contract and health guarantee though. You will find out if they are in this for the money or if they truly care about the puppies. Caring breeders usually include a statement that puppies must come back to them for any rehoming. They want to know the puppy does not wind up going to a poor home or puppymill! They want the first option to find another thoroughly checked out home. My first inclination is to stay away from any large business raising dogs. I just do not think you can do it right "en masse." They need some one on one attention, loving, exercise, play! I can't see how they can do that if they have dozens or even hundreds of dogs like so many do. But go see the place and make up your mind. __________________ FlDebra and her ABCs Annie, Ben, Candy Promoting Healthy Breeding to the AKC Yorkshire Terrier Standard Last edited by FlDebra; 11-08-2010 at 11:42 PM.

11-14-2010, 09:54 PM	#7
tkking17 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: California Posts: 104	Hi! & Welcome! The best way to find a puppy is to go to the AKC (American Kennel Club)'s regional or american website for whatever breed you are interested in. YTCNC Yorkshire Terrier Club of America American Maltese Association If you check these websites, you can get a referral to a quality breeder in your area. I have never heard of a good breeder who sells their puppies online or without meeting the prospective buyer and interviewing them. It is risky to purchase from such websites because many (most) of them are connected to puppy mills. In addition, these types of questionable breeders to not do genetic and others tests before breeding the pups. This means that you can end up with a dog that costs thousands later on in health problems. In addition, a dog from these websites is not bred to fulfill the AKC breed standard. This means you can end up with a dog that does not have the typical breed "look" or temprament. Best of luck in your search! __________________

11-08-2010, 11:13 PM	#3
lillymae YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,544	I just realized you posted in regional. If you go to forums and start a new thread in General Yorkshire Terrier Discussion you will get allot more action. There are a lot of very helpful and experienced people here on YT and some very good breeders that could help you or possibly refer you to someone in your area. There is lots of good info on YT so look around here and do your research before you add your new family member. Welcome to YT

11-09-2010, 09:19 AM	#5
ChocoMilk Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: New York City, California Posts: 85	Thank you so much for your thorough reply Lilimae and Fldebra. I just wanted to know what the forum members would think if they came across such a site. I definitely heard from various sources that any reputable breeder would not sell on a website. However, there were some websites that seemed "genuine"- as for puppylandla.com, i had few friends buy from this website and they seemed to genuinely care for their puppies and they gave her assistance around the clock when she had questions regarding her baby. They are also CKC registered, which I thought meant a reputable breeder since they care about lineage. Downside was that while they seemed to care for their puppies and who they sell it to, as Fldebra has stated they are very money driven proven from the high costs of the puppies. Another site I was curious about: NY - New York Maltese Puppies for Sale by Maltese Breeders - New York City, Hempstead, Long Island, Brookhaven, Oyster Bay, Buffalo, Rochester, and Yonkers their puppies are AKC registered, and they only bring together the best breeders for maltese and sell them online. However, you cannot meet the parents for they are located in different parts of the country. I wasn't sure if this was a "shady business" either but from what I can tell, it seemed legit. Their prices run high though on the "smaller" yorkie as well.. going up to $2500! So is it ok to assume that any breeder selling from a website/petstore or website without meeting the parents is a bad breeder?