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Old 06-02-2016, 12:05 PM   #61
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Canana- you are always so reasonable and articulate. Agreed, we love hearing from all different people/breeders
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This thread has become such a hot potato!

I don't own a Breny Yorkie and I don't know much about breeding, but that's why I decided to become a member here - to learn more from others with a lot of experience. I can understand how the heat and defensiveness started when Breny was the topic of judgement due to the use of the term babydoll - I think anyone would feel hurt if they were the topic of criticism and would feel defensive. I can also understand the skeptical side of things from others, who don't know enough, who are all paranoid of the bad breeders out there using this term.

Coming from someone who doesn't know that much about breeding, the term babydoll does raise flags, simply because of the number of unethical BYBs and puppymills out there. At the end of the day though, it really is about reputation. If Breny has such a big reputation of producing healthy pups, based on the number of happy families and other reputable breeders' opinions, then it really is her prerogative to use the term, despite the 'negative' connotations that may be associated with.

Not that my opinion matters, but it would be easier if the term wasn't used by a good breeder. Because by using it, it just gets confusing to those who are passionate, but may not know enough; it may seem like "you're one of them" to the ignorant. I think that's what most of us are thinking. But again, it's totally Breny's prerogative to use whatever term preferred.

And last, it's upsetting to hear that many of the good breeders have left the forum due to the breeder bashing. I really hope that the rest of us non-breeders can respect those who are reputable, be cognisant of the fact that we're all here to learn, just have calm discussions and make it a positive learning experience here. I really hope the good breeders here can try to be forgiving and patient with some of us inexperienced and ignorant members. Please stay
I will not speak for the non show breeders here or even the show breeders that have essentially left. But as a show breeder of a National Club we do have duties and ethical guidelines to abide by. Do we toe the line in every which way - quite frankly not - but there is a line - a line that each individual decides not to cross. We support and breed to the standard - and God willing actually do no harm to the breed - and if our passion commitment and dedication allow us to actually improve the breed - Wow what an accomplishment.

For the most part we can not support breeding non standard Yorkies or other non standard purebreds - will not be involved in breeding mixed breeds etc. Hey and yes the YTCA does have the authority with the AKC to change the standard - and that is not done easily or friviously. And believe you me it is a huge gut wratching process to change a standard. I shudder at it. I was on a standards committee when in the very end we changed exactly two things about the standard which took 18mths to do!

Most folks here do not appreciate what show breeders commit to and go through. We are in essence the guardian of the standard. The standard is designed to keep a Yorkie looking like a Yorkie with great temperament and health. It is not meant to be bent by any whim n fancy of the current market forces. But there is still drift. Drift by some show breeders to please what judges are deciding is the best example of the breed.
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Old 06-02-2016, 01:24 PM   #63
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I was sitting here thinking about the remarks about my pricing. And again I want to say it's the people that don't know me you can think negative about my pricing. As I said I can count on one hand the many Tinys that I've had. I do not breed for a small yorkie and I do not advertise such so that I can hike up my prices for an example I currently have a very very very tiny baby that I had to hand feed and she is almost 6 months old now. She is only 1 lb. 4 oz. I had many many many people one wanting her and price not be an option at all. I was not looking to make a big dollars on her she is still with me because I refused every offer I got on her. If I was reading for small dogs to make a high profit I think I would've sold her long ago. But no she's with me because I don't trust anyone else to have her because of her size so she will stay with me forever. That's the type of person I am. So when I see things written about me stating something different that's the only reason why I get upset. I feel like really opened up my life to people which really I don't need to do but I've made wonderful friends, just like family, and I have no regrets and I will continue to do as I do and do me.
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I was sitting here thinking about the remarks about my pricing. And again I want to say it's the people that don't know me you can think negative about my pricing. As I said I can count on one hand the many Tinys that I've had. I do not breed for a small yorkie and I do not advertise such so that I can hike up my prices for an example I currently have a very very very tiny baby that I had to hand feed and she is almost 6 months old now. She is only 1 lb. 4 oz. I had many many many people one wanting her and price not be an option at all. I was not looking to make a big dollars on her she is still with me because I refused every offer I got on her. If I was reading for small dogs to make a high profit I think I would've sold her long ago. But no she's with me because I don't trust anyone else to have her because of her size so she will stay with me forever. That's the type of person I am. So when I see things written about me stating something different that's the only reason why I get upset. I feel like really opened up my life to people which really I don't need to do but I've made wonderful friends, just like family, and I have no regrets and I will continue to do as I do and do me.
I've never had a problem with (and have stated it here many times) good, ethical breeders charging more for their tinies, for whom they've provided such depth and breadth of care and attention. They're a TON of work! Unethical breeders who breed for tinies etc, well, that's a whole other matter entirely.

Breny, I do think when anyone decides to become a breeder and sell living, breathing beings to the public that they do automatically open themselves up to scrutiny. And honestly, thank god it does! If we didn't scrutinize, we'd never come to any conclusions at all about what makes a good/safe/ethical breeder vs the other kind. So, I do think breeders should have thick skin and expect scrutiny of what they are bringing into this world.

I know some of what you've heard has been tough and that you feel some hurt over it. But balance that out w/ all the accolades you're receiving at the same time. Temper the hurt w/ the good stuff that's coming in. And try to find a way to accept that, as a breeder, you've chosen to put yourself and your breeding program out there in public...so there probably will be times when sensitive stuff comes up. Just keep trying to keep your cool...I know it's tough...but you can handle it ! And, "handling it" calmly and factually, in the end, just makes you look even better anyway.
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Old 06-03-2016, 07:38 AM   #65
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Oh I can handle it. That's no issue. It's just time I speak up instead of sit back. I'm not going to change a thing. My dogs are BabyDolls. They are not flat faced - looking nothing like the breed. They look to standard. (Except for color with my Parti babies)

Everyone has an opinion. If we all thought the same - well that would be just boring. Lol.

Anyone can sit behind a computer and type jibberish. It's real life that matters to me.

Too bad no one uses this site anymore. It used to be so popular.
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Oh I can handle it. That's no issue. It's just time I speak up instead of sit back. I'm not going to change a thing. My dogs are BabyDolls. They are not flat faced - looking nothing like the breed. They look to standard. (Except for color with my Parti babies)

Everyone has an opinion. If we all thought the same - well that would be just boring. Lol.

Anyone can sit behind a computer and type jibberish. It's real life that matters to me.

Too bad no one uses this site anymore. It used to be so popular.
I'm glad you feel you can handle it bc in the scheme of life, it's something that doesn't need to overwhelm anyone. I'm sure you have bigger things in your life that you'd rather be focusing on. Nonetheless, I think it's good to discuss stuff like this bc it does continually come up here at YT, so there must be a reason for that.

And I totally agree - if we all thought the same, we'd never arrive at anything of real excellence, ya know? It's the differing opinions and being able to tolerate those differences that get us somewhere in terms of growing/learning.

Enjoy your weekend....
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This thread has become such a hot potato!

I don't own a Breny Yorkie and I don't know much about breeding, but that's why I decided to become a member here - to learn more from others with a lot of experience. I can understand how the heat and defensiveness started when Breny was the topic of judgement due to the use of the term babydoll - I think anyone would feel hurt if they were the topic of criticism and would feel defensive. I can also understand the skeptical side of things from others, who don't know enough, who are all paranoid of the bad breeders out there using this term.

Coming from someone who doesn't know that much about breeding, the term babydoll does raise flags, simply because of the number of unethical BYBs and puppymills out there. At the end of the day though, it really is about reputation. If Breny has such a big reputation of producing healthy pups, based on the number of happy families and other reputable breeders' opinions, then it really is her prerogative to use the term, despite the 'negative' connotations that may be associated with.

Not that my opinion matters, but it would be easier if the term wasn't used by a good breeder. Because by using it, it just gets confusing to those who are passionate, but may not know enough; it may seem like "you're one of them" to the ignorant. I think that's what most of us are thinking. But again, it's totally Breny's prerogative to use whatever term preferred.

And last, it's upsetting to hear that many of the good breeders have left the forum due to the breeder bashing. I really hope that the rest of us non-breeders can respect those who are reputable, be cognisant of the fact that we're all here to learn, just have calm discussions and make it a positive learning experience here. I really hope the good breeders here can try to be forgiving and patient with some of us inexperienced and ignorant members. Please stay
You always write such great posts, you really do. I liked all of it, but especially agree w/ the things I bolded.
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[QUOTE=Wylie's Mom;4641942]I'm glad you feel you can handle it bc in the scheme of life, it's something that doesn't need to overwhelm anyone. I'm sure you have bigger things in your life that you'd rather be focusing on. Nonetheless, I think it's good to discuss stuff like this bc it does continually come up here at YT, so there must be a reason for that.

And I totally agree - if we all thought the same, we'd never arrive at anything of real excellence, ya know? It's the differing opinions and being able to tolerate those differences that get us somewhere in terms of growing/learning.

Enjoy your weekend....[/QUOTE

Exactly. I think we all need to live different things. If all the Yorkies looked alike - how fun would that be. Heck my very first yorkie baby was 13 lb. floppy ears. But he was beautiful to me. Sadly Rogan passed away last fall. Best yorkie ever.

I love that they are all different. But rest assured I would not change the breed away from the standard. (Except color since I have Parti &#128521
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This thread has become such a hot potato!

I don't own a Breny Yorkie and I don't know much about breeding, but that's why I decided to become a member here - to learn more from others with a lot of experience. I can understand how the heat and defensiveness started when Breny was the topic of judgement due to the use of the term babydoll - I think anyone would feel hurt if they were the topic of criticism and would feel defensive. I can also understand the skeptical side of things from others, who don't know enough, who are all paranoid of the bad breeders out there using this term.

Coming from someone who doesn't know that much about breeding, the term babydoll does raise flags, simply because of the number of unethical BYBs and puppymills out there. At the end of the day though, it really is about reputation. If Breny has such a big reputation of producing healthy pups, based on the number of happy families and other reputable breeders' opinions, then it really is her prerogative to use the term, despite the 'negative' connotations that may be associated with.

Not that my opinion matters, but it would be easier if the term wasn't used by a good breeder. Because by using it, it just gets confusing to those who are passionate, but may not know enough; it may seem like "you're one of them" to the ignorant. I think that's what most of us are thinking. But again, it's totally Breny's prerogative to use whatever term preferred.

And last, it's upsetting to hear that many of the good breeders have left the forum due to the breeder bashing. I really hope that the rest of us non-breeders can respect those who are reputable, be cognisant of the fact that we're all here to learn, just have calm discussions and make it a positive learning experience here. I really hope the good breeders here can try to be forgiving and patient with some of us inexperienced and ignorant members. Please stay
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Oh I can handle it. That's no issue. It's just time I speak up instead of sit back. I'm not going to change a thing. My dogs are BabyDolls. They are not flat faced - looking nothing like the breed. They look to standard. (Except for color with my Parti babies)

Everyone has an opinion. If we all thought the same - well that would be just boring. Lol.

Anyone can sit behind a computer and type jibberish. It's real life that matters to me.

Too bad no one uses this site anymore. It used to be so popular.
Yorkietalk is still popular .

After I read between the lines and figured out why you use the term "Babydolls," I no longer have any problem with you using it. (You're the exception to the rule .) You seem like a good, responsible breeder, your prices are reasonable, and so long as the OP does their due diligence in checking out the dog they wish to buy, I think you're an excellent choice. I'm sorry about the misunderstandings.

PS -- Parti's are cool .
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I know this post is old but personally miss Wiley mom what you said about people having to accept being scrunized is a poor way of justifying why your allowed to be rude and state personal opinions. If a breeder is breeding for health and she uses the term babydoll I think that’s her personal business. The fact the people have a problem with the term babydoll is upsurd and the fact that it has a negative meaning toward animals is plain sad. I would never stop using a word that is positive bec “unscrupulous” people have used that same word that’s just ridiculous. If I decided to open up a business and name it babydoll and some asked me why I decided to use that I would then come and tell my story but If someone came up to me and said this is a horrible name for your business and came up with reasons as to why I shouldn’t name my business I would OFCOURSE be defensive this is something that I worked hard for and someone whom I don’t know is voicing their opinion in an attacking way sure they can say what they want it’s a free country but don’t expect me to sit there pretty and having to take it bec I opened a business and therefore I’m opening up my self to scrutiny. Sorry but that is not good advice.
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I think I've explained my website name before. I'm not going to go into personal details here in public , but if anyone would like to know why the name change please feel free to contact me in private ;-).

But it is what it is .... A website name. Yes I breed for an exquisite look that I personally love, which is a small ear and a short nose. Also known as the babydoll face. I do not breed for "tinies" or "teacups". (Although they happen and I do my best to make them thrive no matter what it takes!)

Anyone who is my friend and I've welcomed into my Facebook page knows I'm am open book and share video and photos of my daily life 🤗 I've been breeding for years and am proud of what I produce. Would never think a word in my website name would make me bad. If so - so be it. Lol. My experience and reputation speaks for itself and my many repeat customers who have become my life long friends and family.
Your dogs are gorgeous. We ended up with our Yorkie because another potential buyer didn't think he looked "terrier" enough and had a "baby doll face." (She was going to show the dog and breed the dog selected.) We wanted "just" a pet and think he's one the most beautiful dogs we've ever seen.
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