Kim Balas and mistibleu yorkies - beware!!!

[Lilah Charm]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Yes but she says she fixes all dogs before they go to there new homes. Also even show breeders have dogs that exceed 7 pounds. There is no minimum to the standard.

I did notice that her post did say all dogs are spayed/neutered before they are sent home and though I realize Karyn got her dog at ten months (a more socially acceptable time tohave been altered although i admittedly am more with the school of thought advocating for later spay/neuter myself) I would be curious what her general policies are about that. Also the breeding female size question- of course we will ask these things! surely for as many hours as we spend hashing over the finite details of the breed we all care about so very much- best food/grooming products/breeding practices- of course we would ask these things. They are all very good and important questions since we value good breeding practices and want to support good breeders who have a vested interest in the Yorkshire terrier and producing healthy, quality pups.

[Lilah Charm]

Originally Posted by Kerryn915

And again it's just my opinion it was pretty silly for you to drag up an old thread that really wasn't that bad in the first place. It was pretty much hearsay and only had a few views and responses. By you adding all this information and feeding into it makes you seem guilty or like you have to prove a point bc you feel bad maybe. In any case I am entitled to state my experience with you. I noticed that you didn't seem in great health when I came to get the dog and I wasn't looking to drag you through the mud. Thats why it was just a vague post basically telling people to look into it if they are considering buying from you. I accept full responsibility for over looking obvious red flags but I was already emotionally and financially invested in my boy. And he lets me know everyday how appreciative he is in the way he adores me and follows me everywhere. It was a long 12 weeks keeping him off his leg and nursing him back to health and I'm so thankful when I see him running around and playing with his older brother. He knows he's safe and he most certainly knows he's loved.

Your love for your little guy is very apperant and I can't imagine having such a tragic start to a relationship with my baby- I am so sorry for that trauma. I am gla that you have been able to share your experience and that the breeder has had the opportunity to as well- I think that kind of clear communication is very valualbe. Anyone can look through your posting history and see that you are not out talking shmack on folks you have had many a kind supportive word and clearly love your pup and have given a lot to his care. I am sure it is hard I be in the spotlight of a hash out and I hope that my striving for communication and clarity has not made anyone anymore uncomfortable. Wish you and your baby the best, he is lucky to have you

[nonnasangels2]

I oppoligized to afeelinfit, because I spoke out of turn, i for one do not know anyone on this site unless you are from Oklahoma. And I don't personally know anyone who owns a Yorkie, except in passing at the Vets Office. So no I do not know anyone on this site personally, nor have I done business with anyone on this site. Not to say I won't in the future, for pretty doggie beds or toys and such, now that I see some are sellers. As to whether or not she is or is not the same person, it was not my place to lay blame. But I do say that whoever the seller is should have to pay for the bad practices. It plainly states that there are past posts about the breeder, and not so good a ones I understand. Maybe she treats her friends and close acquaintances to better puppies than she does someone she is not familiar with. Which is no excuse and still the worst practices, it shouldn't matter.
I have found out though, you do not care what the seller tells you, you need to research, go straight to their home, see parents, puppies, kennels, etc... Don't listen to any bull they might try to feed you about the kennels not being able to be seen. Because even if you just stand within 5 feet of the kennel, 10 at most, you will be quite able to smell or see that something is wrong and there is no reason you shouldn't be able to stand within 10 feet of it without causing undue stress of carrying anything to the kennel. Absolutely no reason whatsoever you should not be able sit on the ground and let your puppy run around you and watch him or her play for the benefit of reassuring yourself you are dealing with a Reputable Breeder.
Therefore I do believe kerryn915 should see about having the breeder checked out by reporting her. If she is practicing half above board and half below board, that still makes her a bad breeder. Whoever that breeder may be.
Bad practice is still bad practice even if half is done according to rules and regulations just to keep a good face in the community.

[GuinnessStout]

OK so I had to be nosey and look at the website since I see the breeder in question is now in FL and completely off subject but is it just me or do the puppies available right now just look... well... their eyes... just look so empty, sad, soulless??

Yorkshire Terrier Puppies Available

[gemy]

@Kerry 915


Perhaps if you document and re-send to your breeder, your written vet findings (most especially calcification indicative of a previous boney injury) and give the breeder the opportunity to step up to the plate (yet again), she might find it in her heart to do right by you.


Phone conversations especially when one or both parties are upset certainly can lead to mis-understandings and mis-rememberings.


As an observer what we have here so far is a *he said/she said* situation. Document his medical issues through your vet reports and any testings that have been done. The ortho surgeon should also be able to weigh in with his opinion certainly on a pre-existing bone condition. Document the assessment of the LP assessment by the ortho and hopefully digital Xrays were taken which can easily be forwarded by your ortho to the breeders vet.


Send all documentation out by registered mail to the breeder. That is what I advise you to do.


At the minimum the breeder has come on here to share her side of the story; with objective proof of your boys health conditions she might be more willing to resolve (as a good breeder will) the situation with you.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by GuinnessStout

OK so I had to be nosey and look at the website since I see the breeder in question is now in FL and completely off subject but is it just me or do the puppies available right now just look... well... their eyes... just look so empty, sad, soulless??

Yorkshire Terrier Puppies Available

So do the Teacup Pomerainan puppies that are listed on Pomeranian Puppies for Sale: Sarah

[GuinnessStout]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

So do the Teacup Pomerainan puppies that are listed on Pomeranian Puppies for Sale: Sarah

Oh my.. that is just heartbreaking the look on their little faces... I am sorry but I do not see how that many puppies all from the same place can all have that blank empty look and not one even show a glimmer of life in their little eyes!!!

[misswillowsmom]

My little Miss Willow came from a puppy mill (I got her from someone whose husband got her for her) and she has a cough...after x-rays we found out her lungs are scarred
from kennel cough. I tried to contact the breeder but her phone was shut off. Good!
I hate puppy mills, but I'm so thankful for my little girl!!! I hope your guy enjoys a great loving home!

[Kerryn915]

Originally Posted by gemy

@Kerry 915


Perhaps if you document and re-send to your breeder, your written vet findings (most especially calcification indicative of a previous boney injury) and give the breeder the opportunity to step up to the plate (yet again), she might find it in her heart to do right by you.


Phone conversations especially when one or both parties are upset certainly can lead to mis-understandings and mis-rememberings.


As an observer what we have here so far is a *he said/she said* situation. Document his medical issues through your vet reports and any testings that have been done. The ortho surgeon should also be able to weigh in with his opinion certainly on a pre-existing bone condition. Document the assessment of the LP assessment by the ortho and hopefully digital Xrays were taken which can easily be forwarded by your ortho to the breeders vet.


Send all documentation out by registered mail to the breeder. That is what I advise you to do.


At the minimum the breeder has come on here to share her side of the story; with objective proof of your boys health conditions she might be more willing to resolve (as a good breeder will) the situation with you.

Thank you for the advice I really appreciate it, but I am just ready to put this whole ordeal behind me. I knew from the advice that the breeder gave me that she was not at all concerned for the wellbeing of the dog. At that point I would have to have fought her in court. It just seemed wiser to spend the money on the very best care for my baby and hope that he would recover and not lose his little leg. I was literally sick to my stomach every couple weeks when he would get an X-ray and the vet couldn't say either way if the surgery was successful or not. I would just stay hopeful and keep him off his leg and wait till the next vet visit... Every other week for 12 weeks!! Then one day it was all over and a perfectly healed leg! This was an old thread and reliving this has brought up very negative emotions for me and a lot of anger, but I felt it necessary to rehash what happened bc the breeder is trying to play the victim in this whole situation and that is unacceptable. Again thank you
For taking the time to give me very good advice!

[gemy]

I hear your emotion and the obvious pain you are in, I know that well from my own experiences with un-well dogs.


But you are obviously not willing to let it go, as you posted on here a breeder review.


I can only re-iterate what I said before, document and send on your documentation to the breeder, and also a letter that outlines what would make a good remedy in your mind n heart.


What the breeder said to you, and what you said, and what you heard, I have no idea.


But I will tell you as a breeder I would want objective data to substantiate any genetic condition that a puppy buyer of mine claims. There are actually no genetic tests available to the Yorkshire Terrier breeder - there are only health screenings.


Quite frankly, if you substantiate your case with your breeder, and she does not respond then that would be the time to post a review.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by gemy

I hear your emotion and the obvious pain you are in, I know that well from my own experiences with un-well dogs.


But you are obviously not willing to let it go, as you posted on here a breeder review.


I can only re-iterate what I said before, document and send on your documentation to the breeder, and also a letter that outlines what would make a good remedy in your mind n heart.


What the breeder said to you, and what you said, and what you heard, I have no idea.


But I will tell you as a breeder I would want objective data to substantiate any genetic condition that a puppy buyer of mine claims. There are actually no genetic tests available to the Yorkshire Terrier breeder - there are only health screenings.


Quite frankly, if you substantiate your case with your breeder, and she does not respond then that would be the time to post a review.

This was posted way back toward the begaining of the year not recently. If this is truly a bad breeder which certain things are telling me it is then it's not going to matter what she says or sends the breeder and it's just a waste of time in my opinion. It would be like me trying to contact the broker I got Callie from or the breeder/ puppy mill owner Callie came from he wouldn't care about all her issues some of which are genetic. It would take a lot of time to get the papers and vet stuff ready and just end up wasted time.

[Lilah Charm]

Originally Posted by gemy

I hear your emotion and the obvious pain you are in, I know that well from my own experiences with un-well dogs.


But you are obviously not willing to let it go, as you posted on here a breeder review.


I can only re-iterate what I said before, document and send on your documentation to the breeder, and also a letter that outlines what would make a good remedy in your mind n heart.


What the breeder said to you, and what you said, and what you heard, I have no idea.


But I will tell you as a breeder I would want objective data to substantiate any genetic condition that a puppy buyer of mine claims. There are actually no genetic tests available to the Yorkshire Terrier breeder - there are only health screenings.


Quite frankly, if you substantiate your case with your breeder, and she does not respond then that would be the time to post a review.

There is not actually a genetic issue. The puppy broke his leg the first day home and Karyn felt that there was either a previous injury to the leg and/or an issue related to malnutrition (both were mentioned at different times).

On the other two linked threads about mistibleu there was some positive feedback but one person in particular posted on both threads (I think same wording/same day) that she had received a pup with LCP which of course is a very serious health issue. From what I have read, although they beleive LCP to be a genetic issue and of course do not recommend breeding any dog who has shown up with this ( ) I beleive it doesn't have as clear a pattern of genetic presedence as some other health issues do and will 'pop up' in a litter where all parentage and offspring has previously been healthy ***disclaimer: I am not a geneticist or veterinarian and have just read online and in books so I might just be wrong or confused, please feel free to correct me if you have more information on this subject as I find it fascinating to learn about***

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Lilah Charm

There is not actually a genetic issue. The puppy broke his leg the first day home and Karyn felt that there was either a previous injury to the leg and/or an issue related to malnutrition (both were mentioned at different times).

On the other two linked threads about mistibleu there was some positive feedback but one person in particular posted on both threads (I think same wording/same day) that she had received a pup with LCP which of course is a very serious health issue. From what I have read, although they beleive LCP to be a genetic issue and of course do not recommend breeding any dog who has shown up with this ( ) I beleive it doesn't have as clear a pattern of genetic presedence as some other health issues do and will 'pop up' in a litter where all parentage and offspring has previously been healthy ***disclaimer: I am not a geneticist or veterinarian and have just read online and in books so I might just be wrong or confused, please feel free to correct me if you have more information on this subject as I find it fascinating to learn about***

I thought LCP was genetic?

[gemy]

Yes it is genetic Leggs Calves Perthes disease. Or avascular necrosis of the femoral head. It is why breeding dogs should be screened for this as well as Hip Dysplasia.


Again as of yet there is no genetic test for this disease.

[Lilah Charm]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I thought LCP was genetic?

Yes, from what I read they definitely beleive it to be a hereditary disease (genetic) but as Gail said, they have not determined a test system for it. That said I guess I meant that things can crop up and we need to make good decisions in response to those situations (like not re breeding the parentage that caused that offspring or clearly the dog in question) but if there were no clear markers and thorough medical histories are being carefully kept (not that I know that thy are or are not in this particular case) I aknowledge that recessive health issues can still occur from time to time. That is exactly what a genetic health guarantee is for- If it is a good breeder they absolutely want the best for their breed and need to know and respond accordingly if an unforeseen issue appears in their offspring so that they can re evaluate their breeding program.

Again, in this case I don't know how Kim balas keeps her records or manages her breeding practices. I do know that one person who is not a participant in this particular thread came onto the other two threads about mistibleu yorkies (which beside this LCP input were actually positive reviews, just noting here) and posted their experience in a paragraph which was negative and reflected that the Yorkie they had received from mistibleu was diagnosed with LCP. I did not see any further information shared about how that was handled but I did not do any investigating and it wa not posted in those threads.

I only note to clarify that in this case, with Op Karyn that the issue in question is not a genetic one. The genetic issue referenced was from one person who responded in two linked threads and was LCP. Just trying to keep clear track of things, I hope that the ladies are chatting it out and that if there was previous damage to the broken leg that Karyn has submitted her veterinary proof and that Kim has responded accordingly. Jut wishing the best outcome for all parties involved and glad the little pup is well at any rate