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HERBS · 08-06-2009, 07:14 AM

Yesterday, my husband drove 6 hours to pick up a baby girl from this breeder. I was unable to go due to a meeting I could not cancel. The breeder and I had both spoke on the phone several times and emailed mulitple times about the puppy. My husband picked her up and brought her home. He arrived home approx. 5 -5:30:PM. My husband explained to me that the breeder said she had become car sick on her way to work that morning. On the way home, she became car sick 3+ times in my car. As soon as they arrived, I noticed her hair looked fragile and broken and as I was petting her and looking over her, I noticed bumps under her fur from snout to tail! This worried me. She began throwing up again in my home. I called my vet but he could not see her as his office was closed. I took Bella Rose (Rosemary) to Petsmart hoping to find something for her skin and her excessive itching. On the way there, she vomitted several times in my car (I live 5 minutes from Petsmart). I notice that there is a vet attached to the store so I immediately go there and have her seen. I was terrified she had a contagious disease and worried for my other 2 yorkies. The vet was livid! She said that she was loaded with insect bites and she had NEVER seen such a terrible infection from the bites. I explained to her that the breeder told me that she "thought" that maybe she had gotten into some ants. The vet explained she was swormed by something to her looked like fleas bites but the were no fleas or flea dirt on the dog. I also explained the breeder had told me she had washer Bella Rose the night before and maybe she had removed any evidence. My vet ended up doing blood work, a parvo test (for the vomitting), worm check and yes, founf worms leaving me to buy new worming medications. Then I had to purchase antibacterial shampoo to help the scabs to heal from the outside while the rescription antibiotics would heal from the inside. I also have to give her Benadryl for the excessive itching. Bella Rose was not active whatsoever and the vet was in question if she had been given the attention she needed to deveop relationships. I nicely asked the breeder to help with SOME of the vet expense since our agreement was for me to purchase a healthy puppy. Her hsband became very upset and basically called me a liar (even after I sent the detailed paperwork from the vet VIA svanned and emailed). I would never give my baby Bella Rose back to this breeder for any amount of money as I would not want her back in such conditions. I was advised by YT management to place this post to warn others. I know that all her puppies were sold to YT memebers. I am not saying the other puppies have Bella Rose's condition but I am telling you what happened to me. I am going to try and upload all the vet info along with pictures of her medications and what she looked like when she arrived home. I would like to add, my polite emails to the breeder in turn caused her to become very irate with me and completely making my already tear filled day a nightmare! I thought she was a very sweet woman and it turns out, she was not so sweet to me forcing me to be aggrivated, hurt, angry, confused, etc. After this post I just can't force myself to speak of this again. I am totally distraught!!! PS this breeder is a YT member... sHE REFUSED TO HELP WITH ANY OF THE $220.00 VET BILL. I AM TRYING TO ATTACH THE BILL

HERE IS HER MEDICATIONS
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THIS IS THE VET BILL
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jeanm1963 · 08-06-2009, 07:39 AM

I am very very sorry you are going through this, but I do believe worming meds are something you would have to purchase anyways since most puppies do have to get treated for them as part of thier puppy scheduled visits. Im so sorry your little puppy is so itchy that is so sad. My puppy also threw up all the way home but the vet said it is just car sickness since it was her first time in a car and it was probally motion sickness.t Her breeder didnt help pay because as part of my contract I had to take her to the vet with in 72 hours anyways so she wouldnt pay the vet bill, she didnt pay for worming as she said that is a normal treatment for all puppies and my pup had a really bad ear infection and had to be on clavimox the breeder told me that is also something that alot of puppies get due to thier mommy cleaning them and getting moisture in the ear. So to make a long story short I sent her the bill and got nothing back either.

HERBS · 08-06-2009, 07:42 AM

I do ot know how to attach the vet bill that was scanned. If shomeone could help with directions, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.

blueskies · 08-06-2009, 07:49 AM

I am sorry you are going through this, just like the other poster mentioned though, carsickness is normal for a puppy, and they do get worms very easily. It does help if the breeder takes the puppies in for a vet check and a fecal before going to their new homes. The skin I am not sure about, could be flea bites or any kind of insect if she played outside a lot. Depending on the weather they are more common in certain places and easy to get if a puppy is low to the ground. It would have been nice if there were disclosed prior to the puppy going home with you. All vets are different and another one may not have put her on the antibiotics and just told you to wash her in a shampoo. Most breeders don't cover the initial vet visit, even if something small is wrong or needed. I also don't think this person is a breeder. If I remember correctly her female had an accidental litter and is going to be spayed to prevent any future litters. A breeder with experience would probably have done things differently, but for someone who just let their female have a litter it is another story.

Sugar's Mom · 08-06-2009, 08:15 AM

I'm so sorry you had this happen. I agree that puppies are born with wormss but if they have been wormed properly as babies, the vet should not have found wormss. The fleas are also bad this year. I wonder if the mama dog might have picked them up and carried to the babies. that worries me with mine. Also, the red ants have taken over here in my yard and that worries me too. i don't think they would stay on dogs, don't really know, but i worry that they will get in long coats and be carried into the house. of course, my babies are not out in the house but mama is. This is the problem we see a lot on here. People coming on and making one or two posts then advertising puppies for sale. We know nothing about them or their breeding practices. Cheap isn't always better not when you have these kinds of vet bills . I always advise people looking for a pup to buy from someone that has been a long standing member of yt instead of the new sellers. the long time members are well known to everyone and while you may still get a sick puppy, the chances are good that you will get a wonderful puppy.

HERBS · 08-06-2009, 08:27 AM

I have 2 other yorkies so I am fairly familiar with the breed. I have never received a puppy with fragile broken hair, throwing up an unknown amount of time (LOTS) and scabs so bad that there were scabs on scabs. I totally understand having to pay for a check up after purchasing a puppy (my vet $30.00) just as I have always done BUT a $220.00 vet bill? Come on... You know you would be a little upset too and then to be called a liar after only having the puppy for 5 minutes as though the scabs instantly produced themselves on the drive home! Reall, I am just extremely HURT. Hurt that my baby had to start life this way, hurt because I really really liked this lady, hurt she detrayed me, hurt of being called a liar when she herself seen some Isome being the key word) bumps on the belly before we EVER picked her up, hurt she didn't offer any money tword the $220.00 vet bill. I am just HURT! I have just never been in such a situation. My mom always said "Chalk this up to a bought lesson". On a positive note, she will never know a life like that again! She slept cuddled in my arms lastnight and woke me up this morning with a million kisses and I know in my heart she was really saying "Thank you mommy for rescuing me". With that said, I will no longer be commenting on this topic. I have to put myself in a positive mental place and not dwell on this. Let's all hope she does fix her dogs as she said. I forgive her as the Christian I am and now I am moving on.

jeanm1963 · 08-06-2009, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by HERBS

I have 2 other yorkies so I am fairly familiar with the breed. I have never received a puppy with fragile broken hair, throwing up an unknown amount of time (LOTS) and scabs so bad that there were scabs on scabs. I totally understand having to pay for a check up after purchasing a puppy (my vet $30.00) just as I have always done BUT a $220.00 vet bill? Come on... You know you would be a little upset too and then to be called a liar after only having the puppy for 5 minutes as though the scabs instantly produced themselves on the drive home! Reall, I am just extremely HURT. Hurt that my baby had to start life this way, hurt because I really really liked this lady, hurt she detrayed me, hurt of being called a liar when she herself seen some Isome being the key word) bumps on the belly before we EVER picked her up, hurt she didn't offer any money tword the $220.00 vet bill. I am just HURT! I have just never been in such a situation. My mom always said "Chalk this up to a bought lesson". On a positive note, she will never know a life like that again! She slept cuddled in my arms lastnight and woke me up this morning with a million kisses and I know in my heart she was really saying "Thank you mommy for rescuing me". With that said, I will no longer be commenting on this topic. I have to put myself in a positive mental place and not dwell on this. Let's all hope she does fix her dogs as she said. I forgive her as the Christian I am and now I am moving on.

It seems as though you are already in love with your new baby!! Please dont think I was saying this was the right thing or defending anyone just trying to explain it happened to me as well.... the 220.00 vet visit didnt seem high to me as here in Boston the initial puppy visit is 190.00 anyways....Its great that you are putting this behind you , thats what I did too, I was so in love with my puppy by the first night also!! Good luck with your new little girl , I hope she brings you many many years of happiness!! God Bless

angelakc · 08-06-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by HERBS

I have 2 other yorkies so I am fairly familiar with the breed. I have never received a puppy with fragile broken hair, throwing up an unknown amount of time (LOTS) and scabs so bad that there were scabs on scabs. I totally understand having to pay for a check up after purchasing a puppy (my vet $30.00) just as I have always done BUT a $220.00 vet bill? Come on... You know you would be a little upset too and then to be called a liar after only having the puppy for 5 minutes as though the scabs instantly produced themselves on the drive home! Reall, I am just extremely HURT. Hurt that my baby had to start life this way, hurt because I really really liked this lady, hurt she detrayed me, hurt of being called a liar when she herself seen some Isome being the key word) bumps on the belly before we EVER picked her up, hurt she didn't offer any money tword the $220.00 vet bill. I am just HURT! I have just never been in such a situation. My mom always said "Chalk this up to a bought lesson". On a positive note, she will never know a life like that again! She slept cuddled in my arms lastnight and woke me up this morning with a million kisses and I know in my heart she was really saying "Thank you mommy for rescuing me". With that said, I will no longer be commenting on this topic. I have to put myself in a positive mental place and not dwell on this. Let's all hope she does fix her dogs as she said. I forgive her as the Christian I am and now I am moving on.

Wow I am so glad she came home to you. God works in mysterious ways and he knew she would do good with you.....poor baby I hope she heals fast.

blueskies · 08-06-2009, 05:12 PM

Also to be noted, I think these babies were offered at a very inexpensive price. Please don't quote me but something like $400? Not to say that you can't get a great baby for a lower price, but in life a lot of times it's true that you get what you pay for. It's sad but unfortunately most people that get a puppy for what seems like a great deal end up paying for it in the future.

That is why, as Sugar's Mom said, it is much better to find a reputable breeder who stands behind their contract and the health of their puppies, even if you have to pay more initially. It is well worth it in the long run!

FlDebra · 08-06-2009, 05:36 PM

Thanks Herbs for alerting others to this situation! I don't think it is right at all that you had to foot that bill. It was not a normal puppy check up -- it was more like an emergency visit for such a break out of insect bites (kind not determined). I also think it is wrong to have worms in a new puppy. Here in Florida it is required that all puppys sold come with a Vet's Health Certificate. It tells all of the vaccines and wormings the puppy has had as well as an overall certification of healthiness. All of my puppies are wormed twice before going anywhere. I have never seen a worm in any of my dogs and questioned whether I really needed to do that. But the vet assured me it was required if he were to sign the Health Certificate.

I would most definately pay the bill if any of my pups showed up with worms -- then I would recoop from my vet as he would have wormed them. I know I could do it myself, but by having the vet do it, everything is in the record.

The hair breakage is still a problem too. I don't know if it is from a possible flea problem or not. If the bites were that numerous of fire ant bites, I would not have let the poor thing travel anyway. They can be a bit toxic to little puppies. Did she have them outside? Fire ants normally do not go inside like other ants.

The problem the vet identified of her not being active and thinking she had not been given attention needed to develop relationships is a big concern as well. Second after health comes personality. Luckily, since you bought her as a puppy, you can turn that around with some nurturing, loving attention. I am not sure how the vet can be sre, but if he is right, it sound liked ignored puppies. I can't understand how that can even happen. I have to caution myself about handling them too much in the early days.

Just the problem with customer service, calling you a liar instead of being there for you, is a bad sign for a breeder. Even if she thought she had done nothing wrong, she should have been reassuring, and seeing how she could be of help instead of trying to fight. I am ready to take care of any problem that arises from my pups. So far, I have never had any problems to sort out. But I don't think any responsile breeder would hesitate to pay the vet bills of something that showed up the first day! Did this breeder not giv you any sort of health guarantee? Of course, I have seen many health guarantees that were not worth the paper they were written on. So many just say to replace the puppy in health situations. Who wants to hand back a puppy they have already grown to love or even just met and wants to ensure they are safe? Be careful of those guarantees!

I am just happy to hear you bonded immediately and are there to give this little one all of the loving attention it needs!

FlDebra · 08-06-2009, 05:50 PM

I just did a search around and found where the pups were advertised. I think these are the ones that were advertised for $600 here but $450 on another site. Still, price should not be an escape from health concerns. I also saw pictures where she was letting the puppies play outside, where they could have gotten the insect bites. But I also saw that the lady was not a regular breeder and these were the result of an accidental mating. She may not realize that the breeder needs to be responsible for the delivered health of the pups. She said they come with a vet check, was that done just before delivery?

This is also another non-AKC pup. I would not buy a puppy that was not AKC registered, had a realistic health guarantee, and a recent vet health certificate. When you buy from someone who admits they are not a breeder, you are taking chances. Still, you have a right to believe the person will do right by the pup when a problem does occur like this.

Unless there is a lot more to the story, I think she owes you the cost of the vet bill -- at least the portion that included checking for worms and looking at the bites, along with the cost of medications. But that is JMO and won't get you very far. Let's hope she reconsiders and does the right thing.

ChantalB · 08-06-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FlDebra

Thanks Herbs for alerting others to this situation! I don't think it is right at all that you had to foot that bill. It was not a normal puppy check up -- it was more like an emergency visit for such a break out of insect bites (kind not determined). I also think it is wrong to have worms in a new puppy. Here in Florida it is required that all puppys sold come with a Vet's Health Certificate. It tells all of the vaccines and wormings the puppy has had as well as an overall certification of healthiness. All of my puppies are wormed twice before going anywhere. I have never seen a worm in any of my dogs and questioned whether I really needed to do that. But the vet assured me it was required if he were to sign the Health Certificate.

I would most definately pay the bill if any of my pups showed up with worms -- then I would recoop from my vet as he would have wormed them. I know I could do it myself, but by having the vet do it, everything is in the record.

The hair breakage is still a problem too. I don't know if it is from a possible flea problem or not. If the bites were that numerous of fire ant bites, I would not have let the poor thing travel anyway. They can be a bit toxic to little puppies. Did she have them outside? Fire ants normally do not go inside like other ants.

The problem the vet identified of her not being active and thinking she had not been given attention needed to develop relationships is a big concern as well. Second after health comes personality. Luckily, since you bought her as a puppy, you can turn that around with some nurturing, loving attention. I am not sure how the vet can be sre, but if he is right, it sound liked ignored puppies. I can't understand how that can even happen. I have to caution myself about handling them too much in the early days.

Just the problem with customer service, calling you a liar instead of being there for you, is a bad sign for a breeder. Even if she thought she had done nothing wrong, she should have been reassuring, and seeing how she could be of help instead of trying to fight. I am ready to take care of any problem that arises from my pups. So far, I have never had any problems to sort out. But I don't think any responsile breeder would hesitate to pay the vet bills of something that showed up the first day! Did this breeder not giv you any sort of health guarantee? Of course, I have seen many health guarantees that were not worth the paper they were written on. So many just say to replace the puppy in health situations. Who wants to hand back a puppy they have already grown to love or even just met and wants to ensure they are safe? Be careful of those guarantees!

I am just happy to hear you bonded immediately and are there to give this little one all of the loving attention it needs!

tortoisekeeper · 08-06-2009, 06:17 PM

If anyone is interested in my side of this story please feel free to pm me.

crystalsmom · 08-06-2009, 06:22 PM

I feel terrible now.

On her thread I questioned how she could list her pups AKC and didn't know the part of what I thought she posted was on the actual form to fill out.

So the beginning of her thread started out in a negative way (my fault) so I tried to make up for my mistake and bump her thread up and wish her well in selling her pups.

I never do that unless I know the person well and that other people have been happy.

I think you have the right attitude and let it go, you did get her at a reasonable price so I hope that helps with the expense. Just enjoy her
and we all learn sometimes the hard way.

It is easy to pick up some of these things when they are playing outside but it would have been nice if she would have pointed it out to your husband.

Oh well. Good Luck from now on end and send us pictures when you have time. Joan

crystalsmom · 08-06-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tortoisekeeper

If anyone is interested in my side of this story please feel free to pm me.

Yes, I am interested. I'll pm you. Joan

08-06-2009, 07:14 AM	#1
HERBS Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Winston Salem, NC USA Posts: 241	BEWARE~ tortoisekeeper~BREEDER Yesterday, my husband drove 6 hours to pick up a baby girl from this breeder. I was unable to go due to a meeting I could not cancel. The breeder and I had both spoke on the phone several times and emailed mulitple times about the puppy. My husband picked her up and brought her home. He arrived home approx. 5 -5:30:PM. My husband explained to me that the breeder said she had become car sick on her way to work that morning. On the way home, she became car sick 3+ times in my car. As soon as they arrived, I noticed her hair looked fragile and broken and as I was petting her and looking over her, I noticed bumps under her fur from snout to tail! This worried me. She began throwing up again in my home. I called my vet but he could not see her as his office was closed. I took Bella Rose (Rosemary) to Petsmart hoping to find something for her skin and her excessive itching. On the way there, she vomitted several times in my car (I live 5 minutes from Petsmart). I notice that there is a vet attached to the store so I immediately go there and have her seen. I was terrified she had a contagious disease and worried for my other 2 yorkies. The vet was livid! She said that she was loaded with insect bites and she had NEVER seen such a terrible infection from the bites. I explained to her that the breeder told me that she "thought" that maybe she had gotten into some ants. The vet explained she was swormed by something to her looked like fleas bites but the were no fleas or flea dirt on the dog. I also explained the breeder had told me she had washer Bella Rose the night before and maybe she had removed any evidence. My vet ended up doing blood work, a parvo test (for the vomitting), worm check and yes, founf worms leaving me to buy new worming medications. Then I had to purchase antibacterial shampoo to help the scabs to heal from the outside while the rescription antibiotics would heal from the inside. I also have to give her Benadryl for the excessive itching. Bella Rose was not active whatsoever and the vet was in question if she had been given the attention she needed to deveop relationships. I nicely asked the breeder to help with SOME of the vet expense since our agreement was for me to purchase a healthy puppy. Her hsband became very upset and basically called me a liar (even after I sent the detailed paperwork from the vet VIA svanned and emailed). I would never give my baby Bella Rose back to this breeder for any amount of money as I would not want her back in such conditions. I was advised by YT management to place this post to warn others. I know that all her puppies were sold to YT memebers. I am not saying the other puppies have Bella Rose's condition but I am telling you what happened to me. I am going to try and upload all the vet info along with pictures of her medications and what she looked like when she arrived home. I would like to add, my polite emails to the breeder in turn caused her to become very irate with me and completely making my already tear filled day a nightmare! I thought she was a very sweet woman and it turns out, she was not so sweet to me forcing me to be aggrivated, hurt, angry, confused, etc. After this post I just can't force myself to speak of this again. I am totally distraught!!! PS this breeder is a YT member... sHE REFUSED TO HELP WITH ANY OF THE $220.00 VET BILL. I AM TRYING TO ATTACH THE BILL HERE IS HER MEDICATIONS http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...Bella011-1.jpg THIS IS THE VET BILL [attach]IMG[/attach] __________________ *LORI "CRAZY DOG LADY"* *Basil Nugget, Sir Theodore Thyme, and Isabella Rosemary*

08-06-2009, 07:39 AM	#2
jeanm1963 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Weymouth, Ma Posts: 2,584	I am very very sorry you are going through this, but I do believe worming meds are something you would have to purchase anyways since most puppies do have to get treated for them as part of thier puppy scheduled visits. Im so sorry your little puppy is so itchy that is so sad. My puppy also threw up all the way home but the vet said it is just car sickness since it was her first time in a car and it was probally motion sickness.t Her breeder didnt help pay because as part of my contract I had to take her to the vet with in 72 hours anyways so she wouldnt pay the vet bill, she didnt pay for worming as she said that is a normal treatment for all puppies and my pup had a really bad ear infection and had to be on clavimox the breeder told me that is also something that alot of puppies get due to thier mommy cleaning them and getting moisture in the ear. So to make a long story short I sent her the bill and got nothing back either. __________________ I Support http://www.yorkiesinc.com/ Last edited by jeanm1963; 08-06-2009 at 07:41 AM.

08-06-2009, 07:42 AM	#3
HERBS Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Winston Salem, NC USA Posts: 241	I do ot know how to attach the vet bill that was scanned. If shomeone could help with directions, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you. __________________ *LORI "CRAZY DOG LADY"* *Basil Nugget, Sir Theodore Thyme, and Isabella Rosemary*

08-06-2009, 07:49 AM	#4
blueskies Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 138	I am sorry you are going through this, just like the other poster mentioned though, carsickness is normal for a puppy, and they do get worms very easily. It does help if the breeder takes the puppies in for a vet check and a fecal before going to their new homes. The skin I am not sure about, could be flea bites or any kind of insect if she played outside a lot. Depending on the weather they are more common in certain places and easy to get if a puppy is low to the ground. It would have been nice if there were disclosed prior to the puppy going home with you. All vets are different and another one may not have put her on the antibiotics and just told you to wash her in a shampoo. Most breeders don't cover the initial vet visit, even if something small is wrong or needed. I also don't think this person is a breeder. If I remember correctly her female had an accidental litter and is going to be spayed to prevent any future litters. A breeder with experience would probably have done things differently, but for someone who just let their female have a litter it is another story. __________________ No longer breeding----Just enjoying my four special Yorks! Mom loves Widget, Ice, Tigger, and Blast

08-06-2009, 08:27 AM	#6
HERBS Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Winston Salem, NC USA Posts: 241	I have 2 other yorkies so I am fairly familiar with the breed. I have never received a puppy with fragile broken hair, throwing up an unknown amount of time (LOTS) and scabs so bad that there were scabs on scabs. I totally understand having to pay for a check up after purchasing a puppy (my vet $30.00) just as I have always done BUT a $220.00 vet bill? Come on... You know you would be a little upset too and then to be called a liar after only having the puppy for 5 minutes as though the scabs instantly produced themselves on the drive home! Reall, I am just extremely HURT. Hurt that my baby had to start life this way, hurt because I really really liked this lady, hurt she detrayed me, hurt of being called a liar when she herself seen some Isome being the key word) bumps on the belly before we EVER picked her up, hurt she didn't offer any money tword the $220.00 vet bill. I am just HURT! I have just never been in such a situation. My mom always said "Chalk this up to a bought lesson". On a positive note, she will never know a life like that again! She slept cuddled in my arms lastnight and woke me up this morning with a million kisses and I know in my heart she was really saying "Thank you mommy for rescuing me". With that said, I will no longer be commenting on this topic. I have to put myself in a positive mental place and not dwell on this. Let's all hope she does fix her dogs as she said. I forgive her as the Christian I am and now I am moving on. __________________ *LORI "CRAZY DOG LADY"* *Basil Nugget, Sir Theodore Thyme, and Isabella Rosemary*

08-06-2009, 08:15 AM	#5
Sugar's Mom BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 9,248	I'm so sorry you had this happen. I agree that puppies are born with wormss but if they have been wormed properly as babies, the vet should not have found wormss. The fleas are also bad this year. I wonder if the mama dog might have picked them up and carried to the babies. that worries me with mine. Also, the red ants have taken over here in my yard and that worries me too. i don't think they would stay on dogs, don't really know, but i worry that they will get in long coats and be carried into the house. of course, my babies are not out in the house but mama is. This is the problem we see a lot on here. People coming on and making one or two posts then advertising puppies for sale. We know nothing about them or their breeding practices. Cheap isn't always better not when you have these kinds of vet bills . I always advise people looking for a pup to buy from someone that has been a long standing member of yt instead of the new sellers. the long time members are well known to everyone and while you may still get a sick puppy, the chances are good that you will get a wonderful puppy.

08-06-2009, 05:12 PM	#9
blueskies Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 138	Also to be noted, I think these babies were offered at a very inexpensive price. Please don't quote me but something like $400? Not to say that you can't get a great baby for a lower price, but in life a lot of times it's true that you get what you pay for. It's sad but unfortunately most people that get a puppy for what seems like a great deal end up paying for it in the future. That is why, as Sugar's Mom said, it is much better to find a reputable breeder who stands behind their contract and the health of their puppies, even if you have to pay more initially. It is well worth it in the long run! __________________ No longer breeding----Just enjoying my four special Yorks! Mom loves Widget, Ice, Tigger, and Blast

08-06-2009, 05:36 PM	#10
FlDebra Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL Posts: 7,651	Thanks Herbs for alerting others to this situation! I don't think it is right at all that you had to foot that bill. It was not a normal puppy check up -- it was more like an emergency visit for such a break out of insect bites (kind not determined). I also think it is wrong to have worms in a new puppy. Here in Florida it is required that all puppys sold come with a Vet's Health Certificate. It tells all of the vaccines and wormings the puppy has had as well as an overall certification of healthiness. All of my puppies are wormed twice before going anywhere. I have never seen a worm in any of my dogs and questioned whether I really needed to do that. But the vet assured me it was required if he were to sign the Health Certificate. I would most definately pay the bill if any of my pups showed up with worms -- then I would recoop from my vet as he would have wormed them. I know I could do it myself, but by having the vet do it, everything is in the record. The hair breakage is still a problem too. I don't know if it is from a possible flea problem or not. If the bites were that numerous of fire ant bites, I would not have let the poor thing travel anyway. They can be a bit toxic to little puppies. Did she have them outside? Fire ants normally do not go inside like other ants. The problem the vet identified of her not being active and thinking she had not been given attention needed to develop relationships is a big concern as well. Second after health comes personality. Luckily, since you bought her as a puppy, you can turn that around with some nurturing, loving attention. I am not sure how the vet can be sre, but if he is right, it sound liked ignored puppies. I can't understand how that can even happen. I have to caution myself about handling them too much in the early days. Just the problem with customer service, calling you a liar instead of being there for you, is a bad sign for a breeder. Even if she thought she had done nothing wrong, she should have been reassuring, and seeing how she could be of help instead of trying to fight. I am ready to take care of any problem that arises from my pups. So far, I have never had any problems to sort out. But I don't think any responsile breeder would hesitate to pay the vet bills of something that showed up the first day! Did this breeder not giv you any sort of health guarantee? Of course, I have seen many health guarantees that were not worth the paper they were written on. So many just say to replace the puppy in health situations. Who wants to hand back a puppy they have already grown to love or even just met and wants to ensure they are safe? Be careful of those guarantees! I am just happy to hear you bonded immediately and are there to give this little one all of the loving attention it needs! __________________ FlDebra and her ABCs Annie, Ben, Candy Promoting Healthy Breeding to the AKC Yorkshire Terrier Standard

08-06-2009, 05:50 PM	#11
FlDebra Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL Posts: 7,651	I just did a search around and found where the pups were advertised. I think these are the ones that were advertised for $600 here but $450 on another site. Still, price should not be an escape from health concerns. I also saw pictures where she was letting the puppies play outside, where they could have gotten the insect bites. But I also saw that the lady was not a regular breeder and these were the result of an accidental mating. She may not realize that the breeder needs to be responsible for the delivered health of the pups. She said they come with a vet check, was that done just before delivery? This is also another non-AKC pup. I would not buy a puppy that was not AKC registered, had a realistic health guarantee, and a recent vet health certificate. When you buy from someone who admits they are not a breeder, you are taking chances. Still, you have a right to believe the person will do right by the pup when a problem does occur like this. Unless there is a lot more to the story, I think she owes you the cost of the vet bill -- at least the portion that included checking for worms and looking at the bites, along with the cost of medications. But that is JMO and won't get you very far. Let's hope she reconsiders and does the right thing. __________________ FlDebra and her ABCs Annie, Ben, Candy Promoting Healthy Breeding to the AKC Yorkshire Terrier Standard

08-06-2009, 06:17 PM	#13
tortoisekeeper Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Metairie Louisisna Posts: 1,088	If anyone is interested in my side of this story please feel free to pm me.

08-06-2009, 06:22 PM	#14
crystalsmom Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 7,946	I feel terrible now. On her thread I questioned how she could list her pups AKC and didn't know the part of what I thought she posted was on the actual form to fill out. So the beginning of her thread started out in a negative way (my fault) so I tried to make up for my mistake and bump her thread up and wish her well in selling her pups. I never do that unless I know the person well and that other people have been happy. I think you have the right attitude and let it go, you did get her at a reasonable price so I hope that helps with the expense. Just enjoy her and we all learn sometimes the hard way. It is easy to pick up some of these things when they are playing outside but it would have been nice if she would have pointed it out to your husband. Oh well. Good Luck from now on end and send us pictures when you have time. Joan __________________ Last edited by crystalsmom; 08-06-2009 at 06:24 PM.