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YorkieNewbie22 · 02-28-2008, 04:07 PM

Anyone considering buying a puppy from her, please pm me first!!! She sells and breeds puppies with bad ethics. Contact me for more details.

lkyorkies · 02-28-2008, 04:32 PM

I tried to look them up on the web I only found one. In Norman, In is this the one?

YorkieNewbie22 · 02-28-2008, 04:34 PM

Yes, thats the one. I tried to reply to one of the pm's but the person's box was full!

lkyorkies · 02-28-2008, 04:36 PM

That's not too far from me. I looked at them when I was looking for my Lucy decided it wasn't for me.

YorkieNewbie22 · 02-28-2008, 04:38 PM

Yeah, prob a good thing. She has some pretty dogs for sure, but she doesnt breed for health.

Yorkieville200 · 02-28-2008, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkieNewbie22

Yes, thats the one. I tried to reply to one of the pm's but the person's box was full!

Sorry.

I emptied my box.

lkyorkies · 02-28-2008, 04:43 PM

There was something about her that struck the wrong nerve with me. I always go with my gut. My DH gets flustrated with me sometimes about it.
But, I am so glad that I went with the other breeder to get my Lucy, she is perfect.

YorkieNewbie22 · 02-28-2008, 05:08 PM

lol ok I wil just post it here since i have already got quite a few people asking. I'll try to keep it short and to the point.

MiMi was my first yorkie and my first internet buying experience. I liked Dawn's dogs, they looked gorgeous and I liked that she showed her dogs. I had the wrong impression that since she shows she must be reputable.

I didnt know much about health issues and I will admitt it was pretty dumb of me to buy from her after a few warning signs. After placing a deposit on a puppy I asked for pictures of the dam a few times, to this day she still hasnt sent me pictures. She also never asked any questions about me, about how I lived, etc.

After getting my puppy, at about 10 months old I found out she had LP, confirmed by my vet. I told Dawn about it. She at first was willing to replace her with a puppy that would checked out by a vet to make sure she doesnt have the same problem. She wanted me to return MiMi UNSPAYED so she could resell her as a pet. Well why would a breeder want her back unspayed? Hmm...red flag there. Also when we spoke on the phone she said that LP is so common in this breed and that 80% of yorkies have it. She said it would be ok to breed or show a female with LP as long as you didnt have to have surgery to fix it (meaning it would have to be really bad). This leads me to believe she KNOWS her dogs carry this bad trait and still breeds her dogs. Shes a somewhat smart lady, because she called me to tell me this over the phone instead of writing this on an email. After I told her she wasnt graded by a 3-4 she told me she couldnt take her back if she wasnt that bad and she refused to give me a discount on another puppy.

Looking back I was dumb for even THINKING about getting another puppy from her, regardless if the vet confirmed strong knees. I have learned a good lesson from all this. I will never buy from someone who's health gauruntee says they only gauruntee against LIFE THREATENING defects. To me thats a warning, I think if you are going to stand behind your productions, you should stand behind all major defects.

While I understand LP IS indeed common, and it can pop in any line but why continue to breed dogs with it or dogs that are known produce it? It only hurts the owners who buy these puppies and have to deal with the problems and expensive vet bills.

I havent spoken to her since and I am actually glad that I did not get another puppy from her, who knows what would pop up later.

I hope this helps, I know there is worse going on out there, but I have been thinking about posting about this because I feel its wrong to say its ok to breed dogs with LP. Who knows how many of her dogs have it I dont really know, but I dont care how common it is, its not fun for a dog to have this and nor is it cheap to treat if it gets bad.

Yorkieville200 · 02-28-2008, 05:54 PM

Thank you for posting your experience with this breeder.

I am so sorry MiMi has LP.

You're right, the only reason she would want MiMi back, unspayed, is she was probably going to resell her with full registration.

Sadly, many breeders feel because LP is common, it is acceptable. They should have to experience the pain the dogs feel with it.

I agree with you, breeders should guarantee against hereditary defects, as well.

MyFairLacy · 02-28-2008, 09:54 PM

Thank you for the information. Yes, LP is all too common unfortunately. It is primarily genetic, although injury can cause it as well. I can understand breeders not guaranteeing against LP because of the injury factor, but I think it is unethical to breed dogs that have LP and are producing puppies with LP. I'm sorry you had a bad experience.

YorkieNewbie22 · 02-29-2008, 10:01 AM

Thanks, I am glad I posted it too. I was tossing the idea around, I just didnt want to start any drama, but I figured if I were looking to get a puppy from them I would want to know other peoples' experiences with them. It makes a big difference to me now and I always check resources and do research. MiMi is great though, she will be at the Bakersfield show with me on March 29th.

yoursotino · 03-01-2008, 06:32 AM

Well I am sorry for problem with your puppy but, I have bought a dog from this breeder and he is wonderful NO LP NO SIGN this can happen from a puppy being left unattended and falling off couch, chair even jumping down stairs I know for a fact that this breeder line does not carry this. I also have some of that same line from another breeder and none of my dogs have LP I dont know what Dawn told you but I would want the dog back too to take to my own vet to be checked then I would decided if I was going to refund money you really should not slame someone as a breeder unless this has been determined to be a genetic problem. I have done lots of research before I bought from anyone and I have only found Dawn to be helpful even for really silly things that most people would have told me go get a life I am busy. Did you take the dog back to her to give the right to have the dog checked by her vet? Shame shame for slaming someone like this

YorkieNewbie22 · 03-01-2008, 08:03 AM

Glad your baby doesnt have it. But shame on you for shaming on me lol. Sorry but I felt I needed to post this. I think you are missing the point where its WRONG for her to tell others its ok to breed dogs with LP because it is so common. I know for a fact the my little MiMi's LP isnt the cause of injury. She doesnt jump up on the furniture, for one she is way to small to get up on it. Second, she is crated or put in her expen when I cant watch her. I would have known she got hurt if she did.

After telling me I could return her for healthy puppy, she went back on her word. A responsible breeder would stand behind their dogs and not breed dogs with LP.

Not only has she done this to me, I but I know of others. So be careful who you shame on because I am not the only one to fall victom to her LP dogs. I only stated that I knew it can come up in any line with any breeder, but its WRONG to breed dogs with it KNOWINGLY. Ive said my peace now, I dont really think I need to justify myself for posting my experience.

yoursotino · 03-01-2008, 08:42 AM

You say it lead you to believe she knew her dogs have this. She didnt tell you that. I will not say that you are not telling the truth but you are saying really slandering comments when in fact when I bought by dog I was sent complete pedigree for both male and female pictures of both female and male of my puppy i know she does this with everyone. If you didn't get it for what ever reason i am sure the it was an over sight on her part. Was your dog sold to you with a spay agreement or open registration. If I sold you an open dog and I was taking it back for what ever reason i would want it to be in the same condition also. you are leaving out that she offered to give you your money back and return the dog you wanted to keep the dog and not give it back and for her to sell you one at a cheaper price sound like to me you are just wanting something for nothing. Like I said before you shouldn't slame someone unless you know all your fact or are willing to tell all the facts I called Dawn to find out what the deal was and this was her side. you need to tell all if you are going to slame a person. I know she has always replaced puppies if there is a problem. I know several people who have purchased from her it is to bad that one person can say so much to hurt someone reputation as a breeder. Again shame on you

YorkieNewbie22 · 03-01-2008, 09:11 AM

WOW! news to me! She did NOT send me a picture pedigree. In fact she didnt send me pictures of the dam like I asked. I have it all in email that she refused to take her back, nor offer a refund. Dawn is clearly trying to cover up her mess. Get YOUR facts straight please before you think you know all. I know of someone that is in the almost the same situation as me, and actually was TOLD by Dawn that a few of her dogs DID indeed have LP. Of course Dawn isnt going to admitt to it now that she is being called out. I am not slaming anyone here, I never called her any names or nothing, just simply stated my story. Like I said, I have all her emails saved and it I have in those emails her BACKING out of it and telling me she wont take her back. I dont want nothing from her, I am not asking for another dog or to get my money back. MiMi is here to stay now. I just want others to know that she does not care about breeding for health.

How many dogs do you have off her? How old are they? I didnt find out until she was 10 months old.

I am glad for you that you have had a pleasant experience with her and you got a great dog. But that doesnt mean that I didnt, I have no reason to come on here to warn others of a fake story just for the sake of it. I have a life.

02-28-2008, 04:07 PM	#1
YorkieNewbie22 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: California Posts: 236	Heavenley Yorkishire Terriers, from Indiana Anyone considering buying a puppy from her, please pm me first!!! She sells and breeds puppies with bad ethics. Contact me for more details.

02-28-2008, 09:54 PM	#10
MyFairLacy Donating YT 8000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: College Station, TX Posts: 8,855	Thank you for the information. Yes, LP is all too common unfortunately. It is primarily genetic, although injury can cause it as well. I can understand breeders not guaranteeing against LP because of the injury factor, but I think it is unethical to breed dogs that have LP and are producing puppies with LP. I'm sorry you had a bad experience. __________________ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs. Educate yourself and buy from reputable breeders or rescue.

03-01-2008, 06:32 AM	#12
yoursotino Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 85	Injury Well I am sorry for problem with your puppy but, I have bought a dog from this breeder and he is wonderful NO LP NO SIGN this can happen from a puppy being left unattended and falling off couch, chair even jumping down stairs I know for a fact that this breeder line does not carry this. I also have some of that same line from another breeder and none of my dogs have LP I dont know what Dawn told you but I would want the dog back too to take to my own vet to be checked then I would decided if I was going to refund money you really should not slame someone as a breeder unless this has been determined to be a genetic problem. I have done lots of research before I bought from anyone and I have only found Dawn to be helpful even for really silly things that most people would have told me go get a life I am busy. Did you take the dog back to her to give the right to have the dog checked by her vet? Shame shame for slaming someone like this

03-01-2008, 08:42 AM	#14
yoursotino Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 85	I stand by what I said You say it lead you to believe she knew her dogs have this. She didnt tell you that. I will not say that you are not telling the truth but you are saying really slandering comments when in fact when I bought by dog I was sent complete pedigree for both male and female pictures of both female and male of my puppy i know she does this with everyone. If you didn't get it for what ever reason i am sure the it was an over sight on her part. Was your dog sold to you with a spay agreement or open registration. If I sold you an open dog and I was taking it back for what ever reason i would want it to be in the same condition also. you are leaving out that she offered to give you your money back and return the dog you wanted to keep the dog and not give it back and for her to sell you one at a cheaper price sound like to me you are just wanting something for nothing. Like I said before you shouldn't slame someone unless you know all your fact or are willing to tell all the facts I called Dawn to find out what the deal was and this was her side. you need to tell all if you are going to slame a person. I know she has always replaced puppies if there is a problem. I know several people who have purchased from her it is to bad that one person can say so much to hurt someone reputation as a breeder. Again shame on you

03-01-2008, 09:11 AM	#15
YorkieNewbie22 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: California Posts: 236	I stand by what I said! WOW! news to me! She did NOT send me a picture pedigree. In fact she didnt send me pictures of the dam like I asked. I have it all in email that she refused to take her back, nor offer a refund. Dawn is clearly trying to cover up her mess. Get YOUR facts straight please before you think you know all. I know of someone that is in the almost the same situation as me, and actually was TOLD by Dawn that a few of her dogs DID indeed have LP. Of course Dawn isnt going to admitt to it now that she is being called out. I am not slaming anyone here, I never called her any names or nothing, just simply stated my story. Like I said, I have all her emails saved and it I have in those emails her BACKING out of it and telling me she wont take her back. I dont want nothing from her, I am not asking for another dog or to get my money back. MiMi is here to stay now. I just want others to know that she does not care about breeding for health. How many dogs do you have off her? How old are they? I didnt find out until she was 10 months old. I am glad for you that you have had a pleasant experience with her and you got a great dog. But that doesnt mean that I didnt, I have no reason to come on here to warn others of a fake story just for the sake of it. I have a life.

02-28-2008, 04:32 PM	#2
lkyorkies Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 154	I tried to look them up on the web I only found one. In Norman, In is this the one?

02-28-2008, 04:34 PM	#3
YorkieNewbie22 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: California Posts: 236	Yes, thats the one. I tried to reply to one of the pm's but the person's box was full!

02-28-2008, 04:36 PM	#4
lkyorkies Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 154	That's not too far from me. I looked at them when I was looking for my Lucy decided it wasn't for me.

02-28-2008, 04:38 PM	#5
YorkieNewbie22 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: California Posts: 236	Yeah, prob a good thing. She has some pretty dogs for sure, but she doesnt breed for health.

02-28-2008, 04:43 PM	#7
lkyorkies Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 154	There was something about her that struck the wrong nerve with me. I always go with my gut. My DH gets flustrated with me sometimes about it. But, I am so glad that I went with the other breeder to get my Lucy, she is perfect.

02-28-2008, 05:08 PM	#8
YorkieNewbie22 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: California Posts: 236	lol ok I wil just post it here since i have already got quite a few people asking. I'll try to keep it short and to the point. MiMi was my first yorkie and my first internet buying experience. I liked Dawn's dogs, they looked gorgeous and I liked that she showed her dogs. I had the wrong impression that since she shows she must be reputable. I didnt know much about health issues and I will admitt it was pretty dumb of me to buy from her after a few warning signs. After placing a deposit on a puppy I asked for pictures of the dam a few times, to this day she still hasnt sent me pictures. She also never asked any questions about me, about how I lived, etc. After getting my puppy, at about 10 months old I found out she had LP, confirmed by my vet. I told Dawn about it. She at first was willing to replace her with a puppy that would checked out by a vet to make sure she doesnt have the same problem. She wanted me to return MiMi UNSPAYED so she could resell her as a pet. Well why would a breeder want her back unspayed? Hmm...red flag there. Also when we spoke on the phone she said that LP is so common in this breed and that 80% of yorkies have it. She said it would be ok to breed or show a female with LP as long as you didnt have to have surgery to fix it (meaning it would have to be really bad). This leads me to believe she KNOWS her dogs carry this bad trait and still breeds her dogs. Shes a somewhat smart lady, because she called me to tell me this over the phone instead of writing this on an email. After I told her she wasnt graded by a 3-4 she told me she couldnt take her back if she wasnt that bad and she refused to give me a discount on another puppy. Looking back I was dumb for even THINKING about getting another puppy from her, regardless if the vet confirmed strong knees. I have learned a good lesson from all this. I will never buy from someone who's health gauruntee says they only gauruntee against LIFE THREATENING defects. To me thats a warning, I think if you are going to stand behind your productions, you should stand behind all major defects. While I understand LP IS indeed common, and it can pop in any line but why continue to breed dogs with it or dogs that are known produce it? It only hurts the owners who buy these puppies and have to deal with the problems and expensive vet bills. I havent spoken to her since and I am actually glad that I did not get another puppy from her, who knows what would pop up later. I hope this helps, I know there is worse going on out there, but I have been thinking about posting about this because I feel its wrong to say its ok to breed dogs with LP. Who knows how many of her dogs have it I dont really know, but I dont care how common it is, its not fun for a dog to have this and nor is it cheap to treat if it gets bad.

02-28-2008, 05:54 PM	#9
Yorkieville200 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 687	Thank you for posting your experience with this breeder. I am so sorry MiMi has LP. You're right, the only reason she would want MiMi back, unspayed, is she was probably going to resell her with full registration. Sadly, many breeders feel because LP is common, it is acceptable. They should have to experience the pain the dogs feel with it. I agree with you, breeders should guarantee against hereditary defects, as well.

02-29-2008, 10:01 AM	#11
YorkieNewbie22 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: California Posts: 236	Thanks, I am glad I posted it too. I was tossing the idea around, I just didnt want to start any drama, but I figured if I were looking to get a puppy from them I would want to know other peoples' experiences with them. It makes a big difference to me now and I always check resources and do research. MiMi is great though, she will be at the Bakersfield show with me on March 29th.

03-01-2008, 08:03 AM	#13
YorkieNewbie22 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: California Posts: 236	Glad your baby doesnt have it. But shame on you for shaming on me lol. Sorry but I felt I needed to post this. I think you are missing the point where its WRONG for her to tell others its ok to breed dogs with LP because it is so common. I know for a fact the my little MiMi's LP isnt the cause of injury. She doesnt jump up on the furniture, for one she is way to small to get up on it. Second, she is crated or put in her expen when I cant watch her. I would have known she got hurt if she did. After telling me I could return her for healthy puppy, she went back on her word. A responsible breeder would stand behind their dogs and not breed dogs with LP. Not only has she done this to me, I but I know of others. So be careful who you shame on because I am not the only one to fall victom to her LP dogs. I only stated that I knew it can come up in any line with any breeder, but its WRONG to breed dogs with it KNOWINGLY. Ive said my peace now, I dont really think I need to justify myself for posting my experience.