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gingerlovesella · 03-09-2008, 08:23 AM

I apologize for not explaining. While I have seriously considered a Yorkie, my babies are Chihuahuas. I have one miniature Poodle, Bruno, who just turned 12, one 2 year old Poochi {Poodle Chihuahua} Babe, one Poochi 4months old and the Chihuahua I just purchased from Starmye Ella, as well as the Chihuahua I bought from her for my daughter. Seth is 6 months old.
I came upon your site because a friend told me I should google Starmye. But I'm still not sure what it is that everyone is so concerned about. I was given the Vet check, a complete record of imunization.

gingerlovesella · 03-09-2008, 08:42 AM

What do you mean by a back yard breeder?

Judy in Waco · 03-09-2008, 08:47 AM

There are several definitions and opinions about the definition of a backyard breeder. If you look for the word "search" on the top blue bar on this page (I think it's directly under the 'co') you can search for that term.

It will return with links to threads where the issues have been discussed in the past. It should give you a starting place. I had no idea about any of this when I found YT. Many people have no idea, so don't think you are alone.

Here's a link to a great site for information. I think when you read the info on this site, and then go back and read this thread, it will start to make more sense.

http://millbusters.com/

jrsygal37 · 03-09-2008, 10:34 AM

Ginger. I would just like to pipe in on this and say that even though YOUR puppy is great with no issues it does not make this person a good breeder. You were lucky but more then that you have to think of not only the puppies being sold but the parents of the puppies. You obviously love your puppy. Think of YOUR puppy being used ONLY to produce other puppies for a breeder to sell. Think of YOUR puppy living it's entire life in a small wire cage with limited to no vet care. Think of YOUR puppy having no human contact. Think of YOUR puppy living in a place way too hot for the summer with no venilation and in the winter the same place being so cold they can't get warm. YOUR puppy not ever getting enough to eat because the food they are fed they have to fight to get their share. The water either not being there or dirty all the time. I could go on but I think you get it. This is what a Puppymill is and a BYB is on the same level just a smaller version. Puppymills are commercial breeders that have upward of 200 - 500 breeding dogs or more. A BYB - this breeder has 93 dogs. According to the link she was sited - it was more then drainage. Would you want YOUR puppy to live that life - drainage or not? These are the questions WE ALL have to ask and think about before we buy. It's not about whether OUR puppy is healthy or was socialized in someone's house. It's about the parents also. Are they inside someone's house being loved or are they in a kennel or a small wire cage and used just to breed over and over. I'm not being snotty in any way I'm just trying to educate on where some of these puppies come from. And petstores pay so little for them that it's cheaper to have a puppy die, refund the $$ (if you're lucky) or offer a new puppy to the customer then to just simply pay the vet bill. This is why there are so many lawsuits and so many hearbroken families. Elaine

bchgirl · 03-09-2008, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jrsygal37

Ginger. I would just like to pipe in on this and say that even though YOUR puppy is great with no issues it does not make this person a good breeder. You were lucky but more then that you have to think of not only the puppies being sold but the parents of the puppies. You obviously love your puppy. Think of YOUR puppy being used ONLY to produce other puppies for a breeder to sell. Think of YOUR puppy living it's entire life in a small wire cage with limited to no vet care. Think of YOUR puppy having no human contact. Think of YOUR puppy living in a place way too hot for the summer with no venilation and in the winter the same place being so cold they can't get warm. YOUR puppy not ever getting enough to eat because the food they are fed they have to fight to get their share. The water either not being there or dirty all the time. I could go on but I think you get it. This is what a Puppymill is and a BYB is on the same level just a smaller version. Puppymills are commercial breeders that have upward of 200 - 500 breeding dogs or more. A BYB - this breeder has 93 dogs. According to the link she was sited - it was more then drainage. Would you want YOUR puppy to live that life - drainage or not? These are the questions WE ALL have to ask and think about before we buy. It's not about whether OUR puppy is healthy or was socialized in someone's house. It's about the parents also. Are they inside someone's house being loved or are they in a kennel or a small wire cage and used just to breed over and over. I'm not being snotty in any way I'm just trying to educate on where some of these puppies come from. And petstores pay so little for them that it's cheaper to have a puppy die, refund the $$ (if you're lucky) or offer a new puppy to the customer then to just simply pay the vet bill. This is why there are so many lawsuits and so many hearbroken families. Elaine

Good post....but you forgot to include many times....byb's and puppymills do not get veterinary care for their animals...breeders or puppies.

BLEU BOY BARBER · 03-10-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jrsygal37

Ginger. I would just like to pipe in on this and say that even though YOUR puppy is great with no issues it does not make this person a good breeder. You were lucky but more then that you have to think of not only the puppies being sold but the parents of the puppies. You obviously love your puppy. Think of YOUR puppy being used ONLY to produce other puppies for a breeder to sell. Think of YOUR puppy living it's entire life in a small wire cage with limited to no vet care. Think of YOUR puppy having no human contact. Think of YOUR puppy living in a place way too hot for the summer with no venilation and in the winter the same place being so cold they can't get warm. YOUR puppy not ever getting enough to eat because the food they are fed they have to fight to get their share. The water either not being there or dirty all the time. I could go on but I think you get it. This is what a Puppymill is and a BYB is on the same level just a smaller version. Puppymills are commercial breeders that have upward of 200 - 500 breeding dogs or more. A BYB - this breeder has 93 dogs. According to the link she was sited - it was more then drainage. Would you want YOUR puppy to live that life - drainage or not? These are the questions WE ALL have to ask and think about before we buy. It's not about whether OUR puppy is healthy or was socialized in someone's house. It's about the parents also. Are they inside someone's house being loved or are they in a kennel or a small wire cage and used just to breed over and over. I'm not being snotty in any way I'm just trying to educate on where some of these puppies come from. And petstores pay so little for them that it's cheaper to have a puppy die, refund the $$ (if you're lucky) or offer a new puppy to the customer then to just simply pay the vet bill. This is why there are so many lawsuits and so many hearbroken families. Elaine

luvryorkies · 06-25-2008, 03:31 PM

I couldn't remember their website and so i googled their names to get it and come upon this thread and I must say that i am apalled at what is being said about them. I personally know them and will say that they are 2 of the sweetest ppl that care about each and every dog that they have and raise with all of their hearts. To call them a byb or puppymill is absolutley absurd!!!!
Not one single person on here posting negative things about them know them or have even seen their farm. Yes I said farm as they live on a farm and that is where their puppies are raised . NOT is some little kennel outback with puppies/dogs stuffed in wire cages, they actually get to get out and play!!! Nor do any of these dogs/puppies have to fight for their food. I have seen puppy mill footage from the net and it is a very sad situation that no animal should go through but DO NOT compare these ppl to a puppymill breeder!!!!
This is a FULL TIME JOB for Starmye that she LOVES doing!!!! She works her butt off making sure that each one of her furbabies are healthy, happy, and loved!!! EVERYONE of her furbabies are immunized/treated/and vet checked for ANYTHING that they need!!!!! AND they are with Humans EVERYDAY as her children are involved with them as well as others she has hired to help to take care of them. Starmye keeps ALL of her "living quarters" clean and in tip top shape!!! THey are VERY reputable breeders and very well known for it!!!
All i have seen is ONE complaint from someone that wont even give the full story about their puppy. Did you purchase the puppy/dog from them or from someone else that said it came from them? Did you speak to them about the puppy having problems or just come on here to try and destroy their reputation? I know for a fact that she will bend over backwards to help out anyone that purchases from her and that their is a health gurantee on all of her puppies!!
As for the BYB meaning. It is just a "name" that these breeder/Dog showers came up with because they were upset that someone came in and took a piece of the pie per say. UNLESS you show your dogs and breed to produce only the best in breed for showdogs then you are considered a byb. They say that they only breed to standard and to bring out the best in the dog breed but yet want to charge you 3000-5000 per puppy because they have a CHAMPION BLOOD LINE and now these "BYB" are selling their puppies for A LOT less and taking money out of these other breeders pocket so they have to attack them and try to destroy their reputation as a breeder.
Leave the Halpains ALONE. They are licensed and the ONLY thing they have been fined for was from 7 years ago and was immediatley taken care of. As far as the amount of dogs on their site. MOST of them on there are puppies that have been sold over the past years NOT what they have for sale right now. AND for the record they did not give away a puppy to Miley Cyrus, SHE PURCHASED IT after searching MANY breeders and talking to several otf them SHE CHOSE THE HALPAINS because of their referrals and reputation and willingness to help and answer questions!!!!!!!!!! And her and Rodeo are as happy as can be!! Where do you think they got the photo from!!!!!

For the lady that purchased the chihuahuas and had a question about the papers email stormye or call her I am sure she would be more than happy to straighten things out.

jp4m2 · 06-26-2008, 04:51 AM

I went to her site and I see that she breeds Yorkies, poodles, maltese, and chihuahua's....based on that alone I would never purchase from her.....I went to Pet Abuse and they claim she had 93 dogs and 25 puppies on her property in 2000......I find that incredible that she can care for all of those dogs....not to mention the stench and dog waste accumulating on the property in 2003....

Pet-Abuse.Com - Animal Abuse Case Details: Breeder in violation of AWA - 93 dogs, 25 pups - Hulbert, OK (US)

I see she is very concerned where she places her pups......They appear to have been dumped at an auction in 2006......They most likely went to a puppymill .........Sold to the highest bidder!....

http://www.petshoppuppies.com/report.asp?ID=73A1408

What a shame.......

janedks3406 · 06-26-2008, 06:26 AM

sad

very sad in deed!

luvryorkies · 06-26-2008, 01:35 PM

Actually she HIRES ppl to help take care of them as stated above if you can read. AND as for THAT auction. it is for selected ppl ONLY through a local group that are VERY particular to who can come and purchase and sell there. You have to be a member by incitation ONLY!!!!! Say what you want she will continue to raise her dogs. I recommend buying from her anyday.

As for the "waste and stynch" it said that the problem they were sited for could CAUSE waste buildup and stynch. NOT that it had stynch and waste everywhere and the problem was taken care of IMMEDIATLEY!!! IF they were that bad as you guys say do you think they would still be a licensed breeder!!!!! If you have a problem with her then go to the ppl who license her and complain to them cause last i checked THEY DID do a home visit and check out the facility OFTEN!!!!

C C Kent · 06-26-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by luvryorkies

AND for the record they did not give away a puppy to Miley Cyrus, SHE PURCHASED IT after searching MANY breeders and talking to several otf them SHE CHOSE THE HALPAINS because of their referrals and reputation and willingness to help and answer questions!!!!!!!!!! And her and Rodeo are as happy as can be!! Where do you think they got the photo from!!!!!

Everything else you state may be fact but this part is completely incorrect.

With all due respect Starmye had nothing to do with the puppy she had pictured on her site with Miley Cyrus. The picture has been removed from her site at the request of a lawyer representing the owner of the picture. Apparently she mistakenly assumed the puppy was one of hers. To imply that Miley Cyrus sought her out and approves of, or endorses her in any way is strictly fabrication.

MyFairLacy · 06-26-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by luvryorkies

IF they were that bad as you guys say do you think they would still be a licensed breeder!!!!! If you have a problem with her then go to the ppl who license her and complain to them cause last i checked THEY DID do a home visit and check out the facility OFTEN!!!!

Did you know that Puppymills are legal? I'm not saying that this breeder is a puppymill because I haven't seen her and her dogs in person, but she's obviously not a reputable breeder with that many breeds and dogs, among other reasons. My point is that USDA licensing is NOT a good thing...it is for breeders that own many dogs and sell their dogs commercially. Breeders that only sell directly to the public do not need this licensing. Unfortunately, the USDA has VERY low standard for how dogs must be kept...puppymills that barely meet the required minimums are allowed to stay in business by the USDA. So saying that she is USDA licensed just isn't making much of a case for her in my opinion.

Maxi85 · 06-26-2008, 05:40 PM

Can't believe I found this site. I recently purchased a Yorkie from Starmye @ Ultimate Puppies/Puppy Find. I paid $1750.00 for the Cutest Little Girl I have ever seen. What I picked up from the Airport was a Sick little Puppy that didn't even resemble the Puppy in the Picture. My Puppy was 14 weeks old the day I picked her up. Her Paperwork stated she was 11 weeks old. The Paperwork also stated this 1 1/2 pound Puppy could tolerate temps 20 degrees and above. I almost fainted when I read that. My Puppy has Multiple Health Problems. This Breeder could care less. I filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau of Ok. She told them I was confused and Mental.
I guess I am for buying a Puppy from her. She told me to send the Puppy back to her at my expense. Is she for real? I would never send this Puppy back to her. I would be afraid she would just use her to Breed or maybe worse. I asked her to reimburse me for Medical Expenses. She refused. Even though I was scammed, I am not sorry for buying this Puppy. I feel I have saved her from who knows what? I can't believe people get away with this. It makes me sick.

Txgurl06 · 06-26-2008, 05:53 PM

http://www.petshoppuppies.com/report.asp?ID=73A1408

oh my gosh read these inspections! they are crazy!!!

jp4m2 · 06-27-2008, 03:58 AM

luvryorkies, NO reputable breeder would EVER auction off their pups to the highest bidder no matter how "selective" the clientel is......and what do you think someone who buys dogs buy the gross is going to do with their purchases?

You can try and explain all you want but there is more than one person who have had problems with this breeder.......

Maxi85, I'm so sorry you had to deal with a greeder such as this......I don't blame you for not sending the pup back. Sad to say that this kind of thing is quite common. I hope your baby recovers and it gets all the love and care it deserves....

03-09-2008, 08:23 AM	#31
gingerlovesella YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: ontario Posts: 3	Starmye Cont'd I apologize for not explaining. While I have seriously considered a Yorkie, my babies are Chihuahuas. I have one miniature Poodle, Bruno, who just turned 12, one 2 year old Poochi {Poodle Chihuahua} Babe, one Poochi 4months old and the Chihuahua I just purchased from Starmye Ella, as well as the Chihuahua I bought from her for my daughter. Seth is 6 months old. I came upon your site because a friend told me I should google Starmye. But I'm still not sure what it is that everyone is so concerned about. I was given the Vet check, a complete record of imunization.

03-09-2008, 08:42 AM	#32
gingerlovesella YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: ontario Posts: 3	Could Someone Please Tell Me What do you mean by a back yard breeder?

03-09-2008, 08:47 AM	#33
Judy in Waco Gizzy's Best Friend Donating Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Waco, Texas Posts: 6,869 Blog Entries: 1	There are several definitions and opinions about the definition of a backyard breeder. If you look for the word "search" on the top blue bar on this page (I think it's directly under the 'co') you can search for that term. It will return with links to threads where the issues have been discussed in the past. It should give you a starting place. I had no idea about any of this when I found YT. Many people have no idea, so don't think you are alone. Here's a link to a great site for information. I think when you read the info on this site, and then go back and read this thread, it will start to make more sense. http://millbusters.com/ __________________ Gizmo's Judy Gizmo's dogster page http://www.dogster.com/dogs/566216 Pet Photo Charms, jewelry, mosaics and more www.jcollander.etsy.com

03-09-2008, 10:34 AM	#34
jrsygal37 Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,438	Ginger Ginger. I would just like to pipe in on this and say that even though YOUR puppy is great with no issues it does not make this person a good breeder. You were lucky but more then that you have to think of not only the puppies being sold but the parents of the puppies. You obviously love your puppy. Think of YOUR puppy being used ONLY to produce other puppies for a breeder to sell. Think of YOUR puppy living it's entire life in a small wire cage with limited to no vet care. Think of YOUR puppy having no human contact. Think of YOUR puppy living in a place way too hot for the summer with no venilation and in the winter the same place being so cold they can't get warm. YOUR puppy not ever getting enough to eat because the food they are fed they have to fight to get their share. The water either not being there or dirty all the time. I could go on but I think you get it. This is what a Puppymill is and a BYB is on the same level just a smaller version. Puppymills are commercial breeders that have upward of 200 - 500 breeding dogs or more. A BYB - this breeder has 93 dogs. According to the link she was sited - it was more then drainage. Would you want YOUR puppy to live that life - drainage or not? These are the questions WE ALL have to ask and think about before we buy. It's not about whether OUR puppy is healthy or was socialized in someone's house. It's about the parents also. Are they inside someone's house being loved or are they in a kennel or a small wire cage and used just to breed over and over. I'm not being snotty in any way I'm just trying to educate on where some of these puppies come from. And petstores pay so little for them that it's cheaper to have a puppy die, refund the $$ (if you're lucky) or offer a new puppy to the customer then to just simply pay the vet bill. This is why there are so many lawsuits and so many hearbroken families. Elaine

06-25-2008, 03:31 PM	#37
luvryorkies YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Locust Grove, OK, USA Posts: 2	Regarding Starmye and Robert Halpain I couldn't remember their website and so i googled their names to get it and come upon this thread and I must say that i am apalled at what is being said about them. I personally know them and will say that they are 2 of the sweetest ppl that care about each and every dog that they have and raise with all of their hearts. To call them a byb or puppymill is absolutley absurd!!!! Not one single person on here posting negative things about them know them or have even seen their farm. Yes I said farm as they live on a farm and that is where their puppies are raised . NOT is some little kennel outback with puppies/dogs stuffed in wire cages, they actually get to get out and play!!! Nor do any of these dogs/puppies have to fight for their food. I have seen puppy mill footage from the net and it is a very sad situation that no animal should go through but DO NOT compare these ppl to a puppymill breeder!!!! This is a FULL TIME JOB for Starmye that she LOVES doing!!!! She works her butt off making sure that each one of her furbabies are healthy, happy, and loved!!! EVERYONE of her furbabies are immunized/treated/and vet checked for ANYTHING that they need!!!!! AND they are with Humans EVERYDAY as her children are involved with them as well as others she has hired to help to take care of them. Starmye keeps ALL of her "living quarters" clean and in tip top shape!!! THey are VERY reputable breeders and very well known for it!!! All i have seen is ONE complaint from someone that wont even give the full story about their puppy. Did you purchase the puppy/dog from them or from someone else that said it came from them? Did you speak to them about the puppy having problems or just come on here to try and destroy their reputation? I know for a fact that she will bend over backwards to help out anyone that purchases from her and that their is a health gurantee on all of her puppies!! As for the BYB meaning. It is just a "name" that these breeder/Dog showers came up with because they were upset that someone came in and took a piece of the pie per say. UNLESS you show your dogs and breed to produce only the best in breed for showdogs then you are considered a byb. They say that they only breed to standard and to bring out the best in the dog breed but yet want to charge you 3000-5000 per puppy because they have a CHAMPION BLOOD LINE and now these "BYB" are selling their puppies for A LOT less and taking money out of these other breeders pocket so they have to attack them and try to destroy their reputation as a breeder. Leave the Halpains ALONE. They are licensed and the ONLY thing they have been fined for was from 7 years ago and was immediatley taken care of. As far as the amount of dogs on their site. MOST of them on there are puppies that have been sold over the past years NOT what they have for sale right now. AND for the record they did not give away a puppy to Miley Cyrus, SHE PURCHASED IT after searching MANY breeders and talking to several otf them SHE CHOSE THE HALPAINS because of their referrals and reputation and willingness to help and answer questions!!!!!!!!!! And her and Rodeo are as happy as can be!! Where do you think they got the photo from!!!!! For the lady that purchased the chihuahuas and had a question about the papers email stormye or call her I am sure she would be more than happy to straighten things out.

06-26-2008, 04:51 AM	#38
jp4m2 Love my Boys Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,170	I went to her site and I see that she breeds Yorkies, poodles, maltese, and chihuahua's....based on that alone I would never purchase from her.....I went to Pet Abuse and they claim she had 93 dogs and 25 puppies on her property in 2000......I find that incredible that she can care for all of those dogs....not to mention the stench and dog waste accumulating on the property in 2003.... Pet-Abuse.Com - Animal Abuse Case Details: Breeder in violation of AWA - 93 dogs, 25 pups - Hulbert, OK (US) I see she is very concerned where she places her pups......They appear to have been dumped at an auction in 2006......They most likely went to a puppymill .........Sold to the highest bidder!.... http://www.petshoppuppies.com/report.asp?ID=73A1408 What a shame....... __________________ B.J.mom to : Jack Jake J.J. ..R.I.P Joey, momma misses you!..... When life pushes you....push back ... If you don't have anything nice to say...come sit by me...

06-26-2008, 06:26 AM	#39
janedks3406 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: canada Posts: 626	sad very sad in deed! __________________ Peeka~Dutchess~Emerald~Raven~Angel http://freewebs.com/furbabyjane/

06-26-2008, 01:35 PM	#40
luvryorkies YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Locust Grove, OK, USA Posts: 2	Actually she HIRES ppl to help take care of them as stated above if you can read. AND as for THAT auction. it is for selected ppl ONLY through a local group that are VERY particular to who can come and purchase and sell there. You have to be a member by incitation ONLY!!!!! Say what you want she will continue to raise her dogs. I recommend buying from her anyday. As for the "waste and stynch" it said that the problem they were sited for could CAUSE waste buildup and stynch. NOT that it had stynch and waste everywhere and the problem was taken care of IMMEDIATLEY!!! IF they were that bad as you guys say do you think they would still be a licensed breeder!!!!! If you have a problem with her then go to the ppl who license her and complain to them cause last i checked THEY DID do a home visit and check out the facility OFTEN!!!!

06-26-2008, 05:40 PM	#43
Maxi85 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Peabody,Ma Posts: 28	Ultimate Puppies. Can't believe I found this site. I recently purchased a Yorkie from Starmye @ Ultimate Puppies/Puppy Find. I paid $1750.00 for the Cutest Little Girl I have ever seen. What I picked up from the Airport was a Sick little Puppy that didn't even resemble the Puppy in the Picture. My Puppy was 14 weeks old the day I picked her up. Her Paperwork stated she was 11 weeks old. The Paperwork also stated this 1 1/2 pound Puppy could tolerate temps 20 degrees and above. I almost fainted when I read that. My Puppy has Multiple Health Problems. This Breeder could care less. I filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau of Ok. She told them I was confused and Mental. I guess I am for buying a Puppy from her. She told me to send the Puppy back to her at my expense. Is she for real? I would never send this Puppy back to her. I would be afraid she would just use her to Breed or maybe worse. I asked her to reimburse me for Medical Expenses. She refused. Even though I was scammed, I am not sorry for buying this Puppy. I feel I have saved her from who knows what? I can't believe people get away with this. It makes me sick.

06-26-2008, 05:53 PM	#44
Txgurl06 RIP Skoshi! Love You Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wichita falls,tx Posts: 3,122	http://www.petshoppuppies.com/report.asp?ID=73A1408 oh my gosh read these inspections! they are crazy!!! __________________ To The"Coolest" Friend A Girl Could Have

06-27-2008, 03:58 AM	#45
jp4m2 Love my Boys Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,170	luvryorkies, NO reputable breeder would EVER auction off their pups to the highest bidder no matter how "selective" the clientel is......and what do you think someone who buys dogs buy the gross is going to do with their purchases? You can try and explain all you want but there is more than one person who have had problems with this breeder....... Maxi85, I'm so sorry you had to deal with a greeder such as this......I don't blame you for not sending the pup back. Sad to say that this kind of thing is quite common. I hope your baby recovers and it gets all the love and care it deserves.... __________________ B.J.mom to : Jack Jake J.J. ..R.I.P Joey, momma misses you!..... When life pushes you....push back ... If you don't have anything nice to say...come sit by me...