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07-29-2007, 03:02 PM | #1 |
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| Just looking for some pre-breeding tips. My "mentor" isn't much of a mentor. She used to breed and show dogs and apparently somewhere in that time she learned to jealously guard her knowledge and only drops a pearl of wisdom about once every 6 months. I am very frustrated with her and I have met a new couple who have bred Yorkies for 20 years. They have been out of breeding, I don't know how long yet, but are wanting to get back into it in a small way. They have one female and are buying one of my males. My wonderful new vet gave me a tip, I think as much as I like my old vet I will be staying with this new guy. He said not only should dogs be given a yearly booster injection for the puppy shots, but that one would should be given at least 3 weeks before breeding. He said that it would help when the mother passes on immunities and also with milk production and colostrum. I have only had Yorkies 3 years and been breeding a year and a half. I have bred Poodles and Cockers in the past but Yorkies are VERY different. Poodles and Cockers seem to be much sturdier breeds. Or possibly it has to do partially that we lived in the desert and there weren't as many parasites there. All I know is I was not prepared for what has been happening out here. In a year and a half of breeding I have lost more babies than I ever did with combining the Poodles and Cockers. I could count on one hand the number of Poodle and Cocker babies I lost and still have at least 4 fingers left. It seems like I lose at least 2 babies out of every 3 litters of Yorkies. Now with this information from my vet and a couple of other things I've learned over the last 3 years, maybe things will start to settle down. I just thot that it might be nice if everyone could pass along one word of wisdom they have learned. LOL Mine is above.LOL Sylvia |
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07-29-2007, 03:12 PM | #2 | |
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Without knowing what information you're looking for, I can't provide any input. If you have questions I'll attempt to answer. Big write up in the Sunday paper about over vaccinations in dogs and the reason vets push them.....business, $$$$$. In this write up it states after the initial series of 3 vaccinations, a booster is only necessary every 3 years. Yes, the mother does pass on her immunities, however over vaccinating is not recommended. Studies by the Vetinary College of medicine has published new guidelines in vaccination. It's been proven that over vaccinating can create more adverse reaction than they do good. Bringing on allergies, other infections, allergic reactions and even fatalities.....
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07-29-2007, 03:36 PM | #3 |
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| breeding I do agree with Mary...vaccination protocal has changed, even my vet agrees about no yearly vaccine. You have to have a solid line of good genes to produce vigor in pups. What caused the death of your pups..stillborn, faded shortly after, deformites of any type? Did you raise the bitch from bitch...diet is vital to a future bitch..not quite as important to a stud in producing a healthy pup, but it will effect his vigor and stud life. Have you had a porblem with any type of worms or other parasites? What is the sizes of the lost pups? I could do on, but it would make this post too long. |
07-29-2007, 04:22 PM | #4 | |
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I have not been getting the vacines every year and I also had forgotten about that. I try to do everything for myself if I can but there is still a lot I don't know. I am so glad you reminded me about this cause if I had kept on thinking that way I would have been giving them 2 shots a year. Ah well, my new vet is in it for the money. What else is new? LOL Sylvia | |
07-29-2007, 04:36 PM | #5 | |
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LOL I wish you had gone on but for now: I believe all of my dogs have good lines but there were problems out here that I was not familiar with as they were not the type of problems we had out west. Most of the puppies that died were just too little I think, they died within a few days of birth. The smallest I have had were 2.3ozs, but then again I have had puppies that size live. Recently I found out we had coccidia. The debate goes on as to how we got it but my "mentor" sold her kennel and moved onto a farm until her house was ready. I have read that coccidia can come from chickens. She needed to downsize her kennel because she was having to stay on the farm for an extended period of time. I bought 3 of her females. We had been losing the tinies shortly after birth before this happened and had one puppy come down with low blood sugar before that but we didn't lose her. It was just a 2 month long struggle. Then more recently we discovered we had hookworms. We nearly lost a 7 month old male to that. As I said these are things we didn't have out west. Well, I suppose they were around but we never got them and didn't have to deal with them. Please add on any more questions. Every question asked is more learned, good or bad, it all helps. Sylvia | |
07-29-2007, 06:03 PM | #6 |
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| You also have to realize that there are live and killed vaccines. Killed type are much safer. T. |
07-29-2007, 06:15 PM | #7 |
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07-29-2007, 07:07 PM | #8 | |
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Its sometimes hard to take some Vets seriously when they are trying so hard to market their practice instead of practicing medicine for animals.....giving vaccines to a bitch 3 weeks before breeding when she already has antibodies against the very viruses and bacterias she's being "boosted" for(this is taking in consideration the bitch has had her puppy and follow-up vaccines), will only cause her to have all the risks and possible negative side effects and no "extra" antibodies are produced to even pass on......when these dogs or any animal for that matter has antibodies against viruses and bacterias and are given unneeded "booster" vaccines...the antibodies kill the vaccine, so therefore they are not needed....Yes, I think I would find another Vet. thats a little more "care" oriented......Thats my 2 cents for the day SOme of the problems you stated, were they the reasons you lost the pups or just problems you have encountered since???? That had to have been heartbreaking to lose babies.... We have only had one litter and are thinking of breeding again next month...I too am learning...Do you worm on a routine basis..use a heartworm preventative??? Do you know or have access to the pedigrees/lineage of the bitch and sire???Do you know what the genetic faults/traits are to prevent the passing of these to the pups? Did you do any studying of genetics on what traits are dominant or recessive?? I'm just curious if you take these things in consideration when breeding???
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07-30-2007, 04:00 AM | #9 |
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| Sounds to me like it may be time to reevaluate your breeding stock. If you are obtaining too many tinies and are loosing them you may want to add a larger bitch to your stock who comes from a closely linebred established line. OUtcrossing can add vitality to your line if done carefully. I have seen evidence that while breeding them down in size we are weakening them as well. It may be time to head in the opposite direction a bit.
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07-30-2007, 05:32 AM | #10 |
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| problems Treat the ground for hooks...run all adults on a course of albon whether they test positive or not...chlorox all concrete areas.. I agree about size. I would take my best girls and bred each or several to terrific studs of a good size 6/7 pounds min...keep solid bitches from them... keep the girls who may run a 6 to 8 pounds...I do not freak over a compact bitch over 7 pounds and neither do any other show breeders. Then I would breed them back to smaller stud of no more the 5 pounds..4 would be better...it sounds contradictive, but works well for me. How many pups do you have in the litters of pups when you lose one? When each tiny is born I would put a drop of Nutra DROPS on the tongue..not Nutra-CAL...it is liquid..go very slow and..use your finger with a tiny bit, do not use the dropper..more or less just rubbing it on the tongue. I would tube the tinies a bit after nursing..you can go by how full the belly looks.. An old English Yorkie breeder used to tell me to use the blood from beef liver...I did that for bitches..a Tspoon a day for ones who did not eat well..I have used it with small pups...but added it to the tube...maybe it helped, maybe a vet would say NO...mine agreed, but he was 75 yrs old..LOL One basic fact...Yorkie puppies are more fragile and take more care then Cockers and Poodles... |
07-31-2007, 09:24 PM | #11 | |
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I bred her to the younger brother and while they produced big babies, the babies by this pair are around 5ozs when they are born, they grow up to be under 4 1/2#. I am thinking that possibly the coccidia was causing a lot of the problems and I am hoping that the next litters will be stronger, healthier and when I breed her back to the older male the babies will be a bit bigger and all of them will be able to survive. Sylvia | |
07-31-2007, 09:31 PM | #12 | |
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LOL Could you have said anything more true!!! Thank you for the above information. I will copy it out and save it. I have a book full of information but it aways seems like I have a new problem cropping up that isn't covered. Sylvia I did some color coding here, I can't see it so I hope it shows up or my answers are going to look very unconnected. LOL Sylvia Last edited by Lady of Yorkies; 07-31-2007 at 09:33 PM. | |
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