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spiked_poodle · 07-02-2007, 04:09 AM

Got a call from the breeder the other day. She got the hard copy of Umas' DNA test. Uma had 10 markers under PEZ and 3 UCB. Breeder was comparing to her sires' DNA. Sire has 6 under PEZ, and 3 UCB. She is not sure how to read it, but indicated it does not look good for my Uma. Doesn't have DNA for Dame. Dame was stolen? Any way Uma matches sire exactly at PEZ 01, Matches at 05, 06, and again at 08. Under UCB Matches at 2010, 20 54, and 2079..all 3. The peternity match is not on yet, just wanted to know if YOU think this looks good for Uma?

lisatodd · 07-02-2007, 04:18 AM

what was the dna being ck'd for??

spiked_poodle · 07-02-2007, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lisatodd

what was the dna being ck'd for??

According to AKC all females in that litter had already been registered. The breeder sold 2 puppies to what she thought was another breeder, I purchased Uma from what I thought was her breeder. We both got taken. This person was a broker,and apparently an inept one at that. This person messed up the paperwork on 3 pups from 2 breeders. I will be pressing charges at some point, the breeder will be pressing forgery charges. This person has left it for the breeder and myself to try to straighten this mess up. This person does not respond to us,and has moved her web site. I gave AKC all documentation I had on Umas' purchase...which was a lot. They are now attempting to contact this person. I hope they insure she is never able to do this to another breeder or buyer again!!!

spiked_poodle · 07-02-2007, 05:02 AM

Of the two breeders, I am in contact with the one who was on the papers I recieved with Uma. I have learned that the other breeder involved had her AKC rights pulled Possibly. The breeder I am in contact with sold a male and a female to this person, don"t know what was purchased from other breeder. Umas' breeder? learned that the male from her died from sugar shock. The owners of the male are not communicating. We are hoping this person mixed up the male and female papers. The papers were not signed when I recieved them and had to be sent back for a signature. Umas' breeder? said she was never contacted to sign any papers...therefor this oerson had to sign her name. Sometimes this fiasco just makes me sick to my stomach, other times I do not think about it. I just want an answer so I know how to proceed. Uma is supposed to have champ. bloodlines and be AKC registerable. If not I want recompense.

lisatodd · 07-02-2007, 05:11 AM

wow...i hope someone here can help you out. what a mess!

spiked_poodle · 07-02-2007, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by lisatodd

wow...i hope someone here can help you out. what a mess!

A mess indeed.

CO_yorkie_momma · 07-02-2007, 07:53 AM

I am pretty confused. Let me see if I am understanding here. You bought a dog from what you thought at the time was the dogs breeder. After you purchased the dog, you realized you bought it from a broker that bought it from the breeder and resold it to you. The broker purchased 2 sets of dogs and mixed their papers up so your papers dont match the DNA of the dog you have now. You have tried to get ahold of the broker and cant contact her and the origional breeders are leaving it up to you to try to fix? Is that right so far or did I get off track somewhere?

spiked_poodle · 07-02-2007, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

I am pretty confused. Let me see if I am understanding here. You bought a dog from what you thought at the time was the dogs breeder. After you purchased the dog, you realized you bought it from a broker that bought it from the breeder and resold it to you. The broker purchased 2 sets of dogs and mixed their papers up so your papers dont match the DNA of the dog you have now. You have tried to get ahold of the broker and cant contact her and the origional breeders are leaving it up to you to try to fix? Is that right so far or did I get off track somewhere?

Right, excepting that the breeder whose name is on the papers I recieved is trying to help me. She has paid for Umas' DNA test, and I am paying for a Paternity test. We are both in contact with Akc. The broker? stopped all contact with either of us as soon as DNA testing was brought up.

spiked_poodle · 07-02-2007, 08:09 AM

Forgot to add....we aren't sure if Uma matches the Dna of thepapers I recieved. The breeder listed on the papers I recieved says Uma looks like her line...but so does another pup involved.

CO_yorkie_momma · 07-02-2007, 08:31 AM

But the sire is no longer around to DNA him to make sure so you and the breeder can figure it out? THe breeder had no idea she was selling her pup to a broker and doesnt know how to get ahold of her either? Who is the broker and maybe someone here can help you find her.
I remember reading another thread with this exact problem it sounds.

spiked_poodle · 07-02-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

But the sire is no longer around to DNA him to make sure so you and the breeder can figure it out? THe breeder had no idea she was selling her pup to a broker and doesnt know how to get ahold of her either? Who is the broker and maybe someone here can help you find her.
I remember reading another thread with this exact problem it sounds.

The sires DNA is on file! But there is only 6 PEZ markers for him. Uma IS matching some of his. The Dame is not available for DNA. Can a determination be made on him being the sire with what we do have? I do not want to name names at this point. There may be some serious charges brought against this person by the breeder,and myself. This broker? will NOT communicate with us.

spiked_poodle · 07-02-2007, 02:00 PM

Also want to add ...the only ones from YT involved...to the best of my knowledge , is Uma and myself.

eaglez28 · 07-02-2007, 02:50 PM

Bumping this thread for you.
I don't have a clue about the DNA.

CO_yorkie_momma · 07-02-2007, 06:10 PM

Yea I am not much help with the DNA thing either. I was wondering if maybe the breeder had another stud that could have possibly been the father instead. There are some breeders here that know alot about DNA that I am sure will help though.

spiked_poodle · 07-03-2007, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

Yea I am not much help with the DNA thing either. I was wondering if maybe the breeder had another stud that could have possibly been the father instead. There are some breeders here that know alot about DNA that I am sure will help though.

No. Only one stud. That is why I was wondering if anyone knew if what we have is enough to identify Uma as being his little girl. That is why I gave all the info. in the first post. NO DNA for the Mom, so I do know that half the info. is missing. But with that many matches could she maybe eb his? The breeder has only been breeding 13 yrs. and has never had anything like this happen.

07-02-2007, 04:09 AM	#1
spiked_poodle YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: n.c. Posts: 600	Update on Umas' DNA Got a call from the breeder the other day. She got the hard copy of Umas' DNA test. Uma had 10 markers under PEZ and 3 UCB. Breeder was comparing to her sires' DNA. Sire has 6 under PEZ, and 3 UCB. She is not sure how to read it, but indicated it does not look good for my Uma. Doesn't have DNA for Dame. Dame was stolen? Any way Uma matches sire exactly at PEZ 01, Matches at 05, 06, and again at 08. Under UCB Matches at 2010, 20 54, and 2079..all 3. The peternity match is not on yet, just wanted to know if YOU think this looks good for Uma? __________________ Uma, Yoko and Yannis' Mom

07-02-2007, 04:18 AM	#2
lisatodd Little Boogers Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: virginia beach, va Posts: 4,460	what was the dna being ck'd for?? __________________ lisa lisa and the cult jam yorkies

07-02-2007, 05:02 AM	#4
spiked_poodle YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: n.c. Posts: 600	Of the two breeders, I am in contact with the one who was on the papers I recieved with Uma. I have learned that the other breeder involved had her AKC rights pulled Possibly. The breeder I am in contact with sold a male and a female to this person, don"t know what was purchased from other breeder. Umas' breeder? learned that the male from her died from sugar shock. The owners of the male are not communicating. We are hoping this person mixed up the male and female papers. The papers were not signed when I recieved them and had to be sent back for a signature. Umas' breeder? said she was never contacted to sign any papers...therefor this oerson had to sign her name. Sometimes this fiasco just makes me sick to my stomach, other times I do not think about it. I just want an answer so I know how to proceed. Uma is supposed to have champ. bloodlines and be AKC registerable. If not I want recompense. __________________ Uma, Yoko and Yannis' Mom

07-02-2007, 05:11 AM	#5
lisatodd Little Boogers Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: virginia beach, va Posts: 4,460	wow...i hope someone here can help you out. what a mess! __________________ lisa lisa and the cult jam yorkies

07-02-2007, 08:09 AM	#9
spiked_poodle YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: n.c. Posts: 600	Forgot to add....we aren't sure if Uma matches the Dna of thepapers I recieved. The breeder listed on the papers I recieved says Uma looks like her line...but so does another pup involved. __________________ Uma, Yoko and Yannis' Mom

07-02-2007, 07:53 AM	#7
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	I am pretty confused. Let me see if I am understanding here. You bought a dog from what you thought at the time was the dogs breeder. After you purchased the dog, you realized you bought it from a broker that bought it from the breeder and resold it to you. The broker purchased 2 sets of dogs and mixed their papers up so your papers dont match the DNA of the dog you have now. You have tried to get ahold of the broker and cant contact her and the origional breeders are leaving it up to you to try to fix? Is that right so far or did I get off track somewhere?

07-02-2007, 08:31 AM	#10
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	But the sire is no longer around to DNA him to make sure so you and the breeder can figure it out? THe breeder had no idea she was selling her pup to a broker and doesnt know how to get ahold of her either? Who is the broker and maybe someone here can help you find her. I remember reading another thread with this exact problem it sounds.

07-02-2007, 02:00 PM	#12
spiked_poodle YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: n.c. Posts: 600	Also want to add ...the only ones from YT involved...to the best of my knowledge , is Uma and myself. __________________ Uma, Yoko and Yannis' Mom

07-02-2007, 02:50 PM	#13
eaglez28 Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 1,313	Bumping this thread for you. I don't have a clue about the DNA. __________________ IT'LL COST Nothing To Dream & EVERYTHING NOT TO!!! Kim Scruffy Lexi Kylee Stormy Reesie Tyke http://www.myspace.com/eskindsyorkies

07-02-2007, 06:10 PM	#14
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	Yea I am not much help with the DNA thing either. I was wondering if maybe the breeder had another stud that could have possibly been the father instead. There are some breeders here that know alot about DNA that I am sure will help though.