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06-11-2007, 10:37 AM | #1 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: IL
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| Stud Questions OK we have a male, he is 7 months old and we are thinking about breeding him one time. We have never done this, is there anything we need to know? I know you usually get "pick of the litter" but what about stud fees, how do they work and how much are they usually? Also hubby has been talking about getting a female and breeding our own but I have never done that either. Do you suggest it or should we just use Dudley as a stud service and not breed ourselves? |
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06-11-2007, 11:03 AM | #2 |
No Longer a Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NJ
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| I would just stud him and get the fee, which is usually 1-2,000 depending on the person and the breed. I wouldn't get a girl because it doesn't sound like you're interested in breeding more than once. I;d really do more research first. I've never did breeding, but my friends have. You're more likely to get screwed over if you own the male. I'd also go with the fee because I've seen the male owner either get the one the female owner choose to give or have the female owner take the best one(s) out before the male owner got to choose. |
06-11-2007, 02:15 PM | #3 |
Luvin' 6 Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bryan/College Station, TX
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| You can do either/or...stud fee or pick of the litter...you just need to make sure you get it in writing. There have been too many cases, where the owner of the female withdraws the "pick of the litter" offer. Before trying to breed yourself, I would suggest you do a lot of research, these babies are so tiny when born and require a lot of attention. Make sure it is something you are really interested in doing. |
06-11-2007, 05:50 PM | #4 |
YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida
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| So glad you came here, there sooo much to considered before breeding. He needs to be evulated, how he fits within the breed standard. Does he have any major faults ie..? Before studding, there's tests that need to be done. The girl needs to be tested also. The stud fee is definitely the easiest route. You wouldn't be getting $1,000 for sure. There are few other breeders here that have studs that they stud out, I've asked in my area and it's $300. It also costs a bunch to own a female and do it right, proper prenatal, postnatal care, prepare for emergency c-section (could $2,000) Good luck and I recommend lots of reading, Searching the archives is a wonderful place besides the web to start. |
06-12-2007, 06:24 AM | #5 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Florida
Posts: 163
| I totally agree and remember that the female should be coming to your house, so that you can monitor it. The male could get hurt during the mating. The female can become vicious. When they are stuck they need to be kept still and calm so that she does not try to pull away and hurt the male. this is what I have been told and I just went thru the mating of my 2 yorkies. they are right she didnt want to stay still long it took holding them and keeping them calm so that they could get unstuck after. If you want him to just be able to mate, keep studding him, You will end up with the money and not be putting the money out ! Good luck. |
06-12-2007, 08:02 AM | #6 |
YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Syracuse
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| I have a stud and let me tell ya, it sure isn't easy. Make sure that you truley are interested in breeding and making the breed better before you start. There is alot of money that is spent just for preparation and the fees usually don't cover the costs. When studding are you prepared to board the female? The male sometimes has issues with breeding outside of his domain. Also are you willing to "help" him line up. Don't mean to be graphic but it isn't the most pleasant thing in the world. You have to keep your eyes on them 24/7 in case of a tie to protect your male from getting hurt. Plus you have to make sure a contract is written up for you and the bitch's owner to make sure that everything goes smoothly. This is all things you can research and there is definately a ton more. One thing you must do is make sure that both dogs are tested for brucellosis, it is a doggie std that your little male can contract from the female or vis versa~ Make sure your really serious about breeding before you do, and if you are, it is the most rewarding feeling in the world when your done. Good luck.
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06-12-2007, 09:02 AM | #7 | |
Little Boogers Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: virginia beach, va
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also, i never get pick of the litter. i always charge a stud fee. some of the yorkies only have 1-2 babies and unless you are looking for a show quality yorkie, i would just go for the fee. most members of yt charge approx $500 another thing to consider is you male could get hurt. you have to watch them all of the time. once they tie, move them end to end or hold them in your lap (this can get messy at the end of the tie). the female can get vicious so you will need to know what to do to calm her down. i always keep the female at my home for 3-4 days to insure a tie on 10-12 or even the 14 day. you need to keep them separated the days in between. MOST IMPORTANTLY.....make sure he is stud worthy, a good standard breed, healthy, and the female is also healthy and a good standard breed. (TOO MANY YORKIES OUT THERE THAT DON'T EVEN LOOK LIKE A YORKIE DUE TO POOR BREEDING AND MONEY HAPPY PEOPLE) you will need to know the breeding and pregnancy process. be able to help them out with any questions. even help with the whelping process. the female owners will look to you as an expert so you need to start reading and researching all about breeding. these babies are as much your responsibility as the bitches owner as you helped them come into this world. the contract is very important as stated above. you need to have everything covered as far as....who's fault if no pregnancy (this is when you will need to be able to look at the bitch and tell if she is in standing heat and know what days to mate) if the puppies die....what happens. if there is a c-section....what? i am sure this is overwhelming but most people do not realise what is involved until they ask the questions. you have time. most males do not stud until they are 1 1/2 yrs of age. so you have some time to learn. you took the first step in asking questions. GOOD FOR YOU
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06-12-2007, 12:14 PM | #8 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Williamsburg, VA
Posts: 20
| I don't mean to hijack the thread, but my wife and I may be buying a stud soon. We have the opportunity to get a CKC/APRI 3yo Yorkie. He's already studding and has a clientele of 18. He's 3.75 lbs and blue and gold in color. We are planning to go look at him this weekend. Here's the ad: HE HAS HIS OWN CLIENTEL OF ABOUT I8 FEMALES THAT BREED TO GIM YEARLY, I LOVE HIM SO MUCH BUT DONT HAVE THE TIME TO GIVE HIM WHAT HE NEEDS HE WEIGHS 4LBS AT 3 YRS OLD AND HE IS ACTUALLY OVER WEIGHT HE DOES NOT MISS A MEAL,HIS DAD IS A CHOCOLATE, AND HIS MOTHER ALSO CARRIES THE CHOCOLATE GENE. OUT OF EVERY LITTER HE HAS PRODUCED THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CHOCOLATE OR TWO IN THE LITTER, HE VERY SELDOM THROWS THE BLACK AND TAN. HE IS A PROVEN STUD DOG, AS I SAID WITH HIH OWN CLIENTEL , HIS STUD FEE VARIES PER FEMALE USUALLY I CHARGE 1000 OR 700 AND 1ST PICK PUPPY.AND HIS CLIENTEL HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. HE JUST BRED AN 8 LB BLONDE FEMALE AND HAS ANOTHER SET UP IN ABOUT 10 OR 11 DAYS SO THAT 1000 COULD BE IN YOUR POCKET, SO ITS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT THATS ABOUT 17,000 TO 20,000 EXTRA IN YOUR POCKET BOOK TWICE A YEAR,HE HAS THE SAME FEMALES COME EVERY YEAR. MOSTLY BECAUSE OF HIS SIZE AND THAT HE HAS THOSE CHOCOLATE GENES IN HIM THOSE PUPS SELL FOR 2500 TO 3000 PER PUP!! ALOT TO THINK ABOUT ,OH, AND HE IS A.P.R.I. REGISTERED AS MOST OF THE FEMALES HE BREEDS TO ARE AND THE OTHERS ARE CKC WHICH HE ALSO IS! My wife and I have talked about breeding (we have a females already) and she is really interested in doing this. We understand there is a lot of time and work involved (she's not working, so she has a lot more free time). I would greatly appreciate your opinions and input. Again, sorry to hijack the thread. |
06-12-2007, 01:01 PM | #9 | |
Little Boogers Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: virginia beach, va
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this ad has scam written all over it. if you are serious, please look into this closely. this dog is just a breeding machine. what a horrible life. i stud but only once every other month. if this is all true, they would not be getting rid of the dog. what do they mean "they don't have time for him"?... i am sure it is because he sits out in a kennel and all he does is stud. i am sure he has had some heritary problem he is passing along to the puppies and they do not want to keep him as a stud any longer. i have done this for a long time.....i would not even consider this.
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06-12-2007, 01:44 PM | #10 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Florida
Posts: 163
| That poor dog ! I agree this sounds like a scam. you need to check his background. You said he is CKC and APRI ? I know what CKC is but APRI ? I am sorry and this is just my opinion. If you want to get a stud dog I think you should stick with an AKC Stud dog. AKC is the highest quality of a breed that you can get. I knwo for a fact when I went looking for my babies I looked at all registry's and I talked to a lady that had a CKC Yorkie. When we got to talking she said she use to be with AKC but the are too strict on their qualifications of the dog and that CKC is more leaniant with who you breed your dog with. ( I didnt say it she did ) She tried to sell me a yorkie that was CKC, When I asked to see the parents. The father was a yorkie/chinchilla she told me well his father was a mix. NO THANK YOU. PLEASE do some research on the dog and its background. I know that AKC puts out a list of breeders that they have had trouble with/ I dont know if CKC or APRI does maybe someone else that has a dog from those registry's can tell you. It cant be good for that dog to stud that often. Do you know all his clientel all 18 of them ? do they have any defects in their bloodline ? Do they have papers ? who are they registered with? You really need to know. Getting a dog just to stud is not good. We are trying to keep the bloodline of the Yorkshire terrier free of defects and not to bred dogs that have any. that is what I love about AKC. I know you are excited about breeding or studing your dog but dont jump into this unless you get all your information and know what is going on. I wish you good luck in your decision. PLEASE be careful ! |
06-12-2007, 01:51 PM | #11 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Williamsburg, VA
Posts: 20
| I called and talked to the owner last night. She said the reason she is selling him is she has several other breeds (English & French Bulldogs, Pit Bulls, and Chihuahuas) she works with. Also, she works at an attorney's office. And she sold her 2 female yorkies, so she has no other Yorkies. Personally, I wouldn't want to breed the dog this often. I agree it would be too much for him. She said she doesn't keep him in a kennel (he stays in the house) and won't sell him to anyone who would. If I were to consider the dog, he'd have to get a full checkup from our vet. Also, we would want him to get along with our other Yorkies, since he would be a part of the family. |
06-12-2007, 03:12 PM | #12 | |
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06-13-2007, 06:03 AM | #13 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Florida
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| Tami I AGREE WITH YOU TOTALLY !!!!!! AKC is the ONLY way to go. and YES it does bepend on us to perfect the breed and keep the quality of the breed going. I dont know about anyone else but think about it. This poor dog has that many females and this lady has so many other dogs, How can you HONESTLY tell me that she is not in it JUST for the money. This women dont sound like she gives a ___ about the puppies, their breed, keeping the quality of the breed pure and how can she honestly tell you that she has time to give to all these dogs, Sounds like he is of no use to her anymore and she dont want him, So she dont have her females makes him useless to her. Thats pathetic someone would get rid of a precious animal just because it dont make HER MONEY ! Why would you want to breed something that CANNOT be registered with AKC ? If you seriously want to get into this them to it the right way!!!! Please dont take it the wrong way. I am not trying to be mean. I believe like Tami does that it is up to us to keep the breed pure and going. I am very strong on this. I looked for my puppies for 1 1/2 years before I found the perfect AKC puppies with great background of pure champion dogs before I bought my puppies. It is hard not to take the first one you see (if I had my way I would have taken everyone I saw) But seriously think about this before you jump into it. Good luck ! Last edited by Paw2PawTalk; 06-13-2007 at 06:04 AM. |
06-13-2007, 06:28 AM | #14 | |
Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Missouri
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I also agree with this. They obviously have no concern for the breed standard considering the way they brag about how he very seldom throws black and tan. No thanks.
__________________ Steph, Mama to 6 skin babies and beautiful yorkies! | |
06-13-2007, 08:48 AM | #15 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Williamsburg, VA
Posts: 20
| Thanks for everyone's inputs. I understand where ya'll are coming from. I agree she doesn't seem to care too much for the dog. That would almost make me want to get him just to make sure he is loved. However, I can't spend money on every dog I feel sorry for or I would be flat broke. My wife and I are excited about breeding, but I definitely want to get all the information on any dog before getting one. I know CKC and AKC have different ways of approaching registration and would absolutely not get one that didn't meet standards. I'll keep ya'll updated as to what more I find out. Thanks Again! |
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