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Mochasmom · 05-08-2007, 06:34 AM

Since I didn't get any responses in the other area, I'm re-posting my question here and I hope it's okay to ask this question here.
I have always wondered why breeders don't spay/neuter the pups that are not up to standard? Ie. the wrong colouring, wrong shape, etc. Those being the ones that are sold on a non-breeding contract? Why leave the possibility of breeding up to chance?
I'm sure there must be a logical answer to this. A spay/neuter is not that pricey and could just be added to the price of the dog, I would think.
Thanks and I hope no one is offended by my asking this.

BamaFan121s · 05-08-2007, 06:48 AM

No offense taken here.

Seeing as most responsible breeders begin placing their pups at 12 weeks, give or take, I'm sure many have concerns for the pups undergoing a surgical proceudre at such a young age and small size. I do agree with you however that the non-standard dogs that are not of breeding quality should be s/n and/or NOT bred. I question the motivations and ethics of any breeder who lets a pup go full registration, no questions asked or who doesn't take the neccessary precautions to ensure the dog is NOT bred.

Paw2PawTalk · 05-08-2007, 07:17 AM

I totally agree with Bamafan. I have seen breeders put a clause in their contracts stating must S/N by 8 months and bring or mail a copy of the document to the breeder or the breeder has the right to take back the puppy, (without refund) and replace the puppy with another home. I think it is a great idea NOT to breed puppies that are not up to standard I also think breeding mixed breeds like a yorkie/pom , poddle/retrevier , and all the other mixed breeds out there and calling them a breed is pathetic/ grant it alot of them are very very very cute BUT seems like science project to me. (thats just my opinion ) hope it dont offend anyone.

Lorraine · 05-08-2007, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mochasmom

Since I didn't get any responses in the other area, I'm re-posting my question here and I hope it's okay to ask this question here.
I have always wondered why breeders don't spay/neuter the pups that are not up to standard? Ie. the wrong colouring, wrong shape, etc. Those being the ones that are sold on a non-breeding contract? Why leave the possibility of breeding up to chance?
I'm sure there must be a logical answer to this. A spay/neuter is not that pricey and could just be added to the price of the dog, I would think.
Thanks and I hope no one is offended by my asking this.

Given the current trend of contracts only being as good as the person you entered into it with, I have been spay/neutering before letting a puppy go to qualified puppy home for a while now. I don't sell puppies that I dont want to keep until 5 months of age or older. The ones that are still under six months, I either hold or if I do sell to a pet home, it is under contract, it is local only and I do have a clause in my contract that I will seize the dog back if it is not altered at the appropriate time or used for breeding whether on purpose or not. I don't ship so I know what is going on with my puppy.

BamaFan121s · 05-08-2007, 09:04 AM

Lorraine--

At what age do you have your pups undergo the s/n procedure?

Lorraine · 05-08-2007, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Lorraine--

At what age do you have your pups undergo the s/n procedure?

Not until 7 to 8 months of age. If they are particularly small, I hold them until both my Vet and I deem it can be done. Baby teeth are removed at the same time as the adult teeth are erupted fairly good by then.
As I said before, if I sell something that isn't spayed/neutered, contracts are involved AND the new owner is carefully screened before I sell. I will often arrange the appt with my Vet or one in their area unless they have one they use and I also will tell them if this is good for a toy dog or not.
If I am unsure if a home will spay/neuter and the pup is still under 6 months old, I don't sell it but will hold it until the spay/neuter is done.
I have just placed a couple of pups this year in good pet homes, spayed, baby teeth removed, and the new owners are having a great time with them and are glad they don't have to worry about spay and recovery.
One is doing some obedience right now.

BamaFan121s · 05-08-2007, 09:37 AM

Thanks Lorraine. To this point, I have been lucky and have helped the new owners of our pups set up the s/n w/ thier vet and have recieved back verification that it was performed and all was well. (Of course, that's not many under my belt yet, sooo...)
I have often wondered if it would be best to have it done before they left my house. I like the idea of being able to ensure myself that the pup recovered fully with ME vs putting that on the new owners. Plus, there is the whole peace of mind aspect as well...

Thanks for the answer!

Mochasmom · 05-08-2007, 03:55 PM

Thanks for the replies.

Lorraine, I think what you're doing is great.
I'm not a breeder, just a dog owner, and to me it make sense to have it done while you still have the pup. My Mocha was 9 mths old when I purchased him
with the understanding that the neuter would be done and I let the breeder know when it was done.
Thanks

05-08-2007, 06:34 AM	#1
Mochasmom Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ontario Posts: 63	Still wondering.... Since I didn't get any responses in the other area, I'm re-posting my question here and I hope it's okay to ask this question here. I have always wondered why breeders don't spay/neuter the pups that are not up to standard? Ie. the wrong colouring, wrong shape, etc. Those being the ones that are sold on a non-breeding contract? Why leave the possibility of breeding up to chance? I'm sure there must be a logical answer to this. A spay/neuter is not that pricey and could just be added to the price of the dog, I would think. Thanks and I hope no one is offended by my asking this.

05-08-2007, 06:48 AM	#2
BamaFan121s YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 7,189	No offense taken here. Seeing as most responsible breeders begin placing their pups at 12 weeks, give or take, I'm sure many have concerns for the pups undergoing a surgical proceudre at such a young age and small size. I do agree with you however that the non-standard dogs that are not of breeding quality should be s/n and/or NOT bred. I question the motivations and ethics of any breeder who lets a pup go full registration, no questions asked or who doesn't take the neccessary precautions to ensure the dog is NOT bred. __________________ ...........Misty........... Trixie * Lexi * Chipsie Last edited by BamaFan121s; 05-08-2007 at 06:50 AM.

05-08-2007, 09:04 AM	#5
BamaFan121s YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 7,189	Lorraine-- At what age do you have your pups undergo the s/n procedure? __________________ ...........Misty........... Trixie * Lexi * Chipsie

05-08-2007, 09:37 AM	#7
BamaFan121s YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 7,189	Thanks Lorraine. To this point, I have been lucky and have helped the new owners of our pups set up the s/n w/ thier vet and have recieved back verification that it was performed and all was well. (Of course, that's not many under my belt yet, sooo...) I have often wondered if it would be best to have it done before they left my house. I like the idea of being able to ensure myself that the pup recovered fully with ME vs putting that on the new owners. Plus, there is the whole peace of mind aspect as well... Thanks for the answer! __________________ ...........Misty........... Trixie * Lexi * Chipsie

05-08-2007, 07:17 AM	#3
Paw2PawTalk Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 163	I totally agree with Bamafan. I have seen breeders put a clause in their contracts stating must S/N by 8 months and bring or mail a copy of the document to the breeder or the breeder has the right to take back the puppy, (without refund) and replace the puppy with another home. I think it is a great idea NOT to breed puppies that are not up to standard I also think breeding mixed breeds like a yorkie/pom , poddle/retrevier , and all the other mixed breeds out there and calling them a breed is pathetic/ grant it alot of them are very very very cute BUT seems like science project to me. (thats just my opinion ) hope it dont offend anyone.

05-08-2007, 03:55 PM	#8
Mochasmom Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ontario Posts: 63	Thanks for the replies. Lorraine, I think what you're doing is great. I'm not a breeder, just a dog owner, and to me it make sense to have it done while you still have the pup. My Mocha was 9 mths old when I purchased him with the understanding that the neuter would be done and I let the breeder know when it was done. Thanks