Saw a lady about a pup.....

[TPerusquia]

I went today and visited this lady, to meet her and the Sire and Dam of the pup for sale.

First question is what is a puppy mill?

What I saw.... an older lady who owns quite a bit of land, she owns roughly 5 miniture horses and 25 regular horses, outside it looked like a shelter, I've been to an animal shelter before, there were about approximately 7 pins lined up with about 3 to 4 dogs per pin, she had 4 breeds. The pins were clean the dogs seems healthy and happy, they looked a little dirty obviously becasue they are outside dogs, the yorkies had summer cuts, she had a seperate building "the nursery" there were 3 pins in there with two mama yorkies and pups and a very pregnant poodle. There was another building that she said was for her grooming she does, and then another building were in was pups that had access to the building and an outside pin, there were two poodles on one side and then a poodle and a yorkie on the other side. Like I said they looked healthy to me I petted most of the dogs and they actually seemed overfed not slinder at all. Now it smelled like dog and dog poop but I didn't see any anywhere, each pin had water bowls and food bowls and shelter from sun and dog houses, I did ask her if she lets them run free since I noticed her property was fenced in but she said "Oh no they would probably get out" so that kinda made me sad knowing that they are confined to a pinned area no bigger then a 4 door car size for life. Would this be considered a puppy mill? She said she had all papers on the pups and they are AKC, she is asking $800.

Should I stay away, should I ask more questions, what should I ask? Oh she did mention that she does keep some of the dogs inside she said one of each breed. hummmm don't know what to do, mom is about the size and color I am looking for, and dad also...But then again how do I know who the true dad is???? What do you all think?

[daisy mae06]

I'm not sure if it was a mill or not ?? but having that many breeds and dogs sounds like a major red flag. how many dogs do you think she had?

[mojo]

Kinda sounds like it to me. Dogs are forever locked in a small area; bred over and again - I assume.
I wouldnt feel comfortable buying from somebody like that; it is very sad for the dogs.

[SBeckett668]

That makes me feel sad thinking about all those babies locked up like that.

There's lots of breeders on here that keep their babies in their homes with them.

Not to say this particular breeder is bad - but dogs are not farm animals.

[lisatodd]

i don't like it.....it sounds too much like someone who is just breeding. no care about the breed and not breeding to improve the breed to the standard. i don't know if i would call it a puppy mill but it is somewhat close. i just don't like the sound of it

[lisatodd]

let me ask one more question, does she have a website we can look at or a name? someone here might know who she is or has bought a puppy from her.

[BamaFan121s]

Sounds like one to me.

[TPerusquia]

Originally Posted by daisy mae06

I'm not sure if it was a mill or not ?? but having that many breeds and dogs sounds like a major red flag. how many dogs do you think she had?

I remember seeing 3 shizus (sp) in the first pin, 4 yrokies, then 3 poodles, 3 yorkies, 3 more shizus, and 2 more yorkies, 3 mamas in nursery, 5 new born pups total 2 inside dogs, then 4 more 3 month olds, so I guess about 35 or so.

[TPerusquia]

Originally Posted by mojo

Kinda sounds like it to me. Dogs are forever locked in a small area; bred over and again - I assume.
I wouldnt feel comfortable buying from somebody like that; it is very sad for the dogs.

I agree with it being wrong that they are not allowed to rome, just feel bad now for the pups....

[TPerusquia]

Originally Posted by lisatodd

let me ask one more question, does she have a website we can look at or a name? someone here might know who she is or has bought a puppy from her.

No I asked her about the website, she said she doesn't have one because she doesn't have time since she runs the farm caring for all the dogs and horses. Her name is Marsha, I don't have her last name, she lives in San Antonio, Texas well just outside of SA off of FM 78, if anyone has any insite.

I slept on it last night and still don't know how I feel about it.

[daisy mae06]

Originally Posted by TPerusquia

No I asked her about the website, she said she doesn't have one because she doesn't have time since she runs the farm caring for all the dogs and horses. Her name is Marsha, I don't have her last name, she lives in San Antonio, Texas well just outside of SA off of FM 78, if anyone has any insite.

I slept on it last night and still don't know how I feel about it.

I would go with your gut and heart.
But my heart says NO They sound clean and well taken care of. But how much Love do they get? How much one on one attention?
I would stay clear.

[Peters]

thats too many dogs and too many different breeds shes just using them for breeding stock not treating them like pets or yorkies jmho

[Yorkieluv]

Honestly, it just doesn't sound right Too many dogs and too many breeds
I know the price sounds good, but remember that sometimes dogs with the "right price" end up being much more expensive than a well bred dog from a reputable breeder who does genetic testing, bile acid testing, etc. for just a little bit more. Go with your gut, but if you ask my opinion, I would say, stay away...

[Morkie4]

I think I would pass on this particular dog...........situation sounds too byb to me! JMO which I am entitled to!

[CO_yorkie_momma]

I wonder how much human socialization they are getting locked up in the pens everyday?