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spiked_poodle · 02-23-2007, 03:29 PM

Hi! Not sure if this is the right place... but here goes. I sent off my pups' AKC form to get her registered and I got back a form that the breeder was also to receive a copy of. The form stated that there was only one female from that litter and she had already been registered! The breeder told me that AKC made a mistake there were two females from that litter. How difficult is this to straighten out? Will DNA testing need to be done on the Dams. Will I be able to register her? Thank-you

Mardelin · 02-23-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by spiked_poodle

Hi! Not sure if this is the right place... but here goes. I sent off my pups' AKC form to get her registered and I got back a form that the breeder was also to receive a copy of. The form stated that there was only one female from that litter and she had already been registered! The breeder told me that AKC made a mistake there were two females from that litter. How difficult is this to straighten out? Will DNA testing need to be done on the Dams. Will I be able to register her? Thank-you

It will take the breeder to straighten it out. Not sure if it'll come to DNA testing, it depends on the glich. Your breeder may have mistakenly not added the 2nd female to the litter registration. You'll just have to wait and see and keep it contact with your breeder.

spiked_poodle · 02-23-2007, 03:45 PM

Thank-you Mardelin. Your input takes away some of the anxiety. I really love my little girl.

Mardelin · 02-23-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by spiked_poodle

Thank-you Mardelin. Your input takes away some of the anxiety. I really love my little girl.

Just to make you feel better, maybe, I have a lil pet yorkie that I purchased at a flea market (this was before I knew better and yes, we all make mistakes(. However, I wasn't at that time even thinking about showing and breeding. Anyway she was sold with AKC open registration (she was spayed), about a year later I received a letter that because of incorrect records her registration was pulled. A year later it was reinstated, a year later pulled. The final letter said that if I wanted her AKC status reinstated that I could have her DNA tested. It wasn't important to me, she's a pet and I love her AKC registered or not.

If it's important to you to have her AKC registered, keep in close contact with her breeder

spiked_poodle · 02-23-2007, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin

Just to make you feel better, maybe, I have a lil pet yorkie that I purchased at a flea market (this was before I knew better and yes, we all make mistakes(. However, I wasn't at that time even thinking about showing and breeding. Anyway she was sold with AKC open registration (she was spayed), about a year later I received a letter that because of incorrect records her registration was pulled. A year later it was reinstated, a year later pulled. The final letter said that if I wanted her AKC status reinstated that I could have her DNA tested. It wasn't important to me, she's a pet and I love her AKC registered or not.

If it's important to you to have her AKC registered, keep in close contact with her breeder

Yes, to me the registration is important. Call me sappy but I think of the AKC registration as the birth certificate. I wanted a Yorkie that looks like a Yorkie, so I sought one with some champion lines. Now how far back the actual champ contributor is I have no idea, but I figured at least I had a good chance of her being closer to the standard. I don't think I want to breed as of now, but I may want to later. Seems like a lot of heartache. She is not perfect, but she is a fair rep. of her breed overall. It is sort of like bringing my child home and finding out I can't get a birth cert. I do love her dearly. She is everything the breeder told me she would be,sweet, gentle,playful, and very good for my little 2pound poodle, who is actually a 3 pound poodle thanks to Uma! I am keeping in contact with the breeder...I just needed reassuance from a different impartial breeder. Again, Thank-you so much.

spiked_poodle · 03-02-2007, 07:19 AM

The breeder has assured me there is no problem on my end. I have the only female from the litter. The person who bought one of the males(breeder kept only other male) also bought a female from someone else. She is hoping an honest mistake was made. She thinks this person accidently mixed up the male and female on the papers! For some reason the sex boxes were not checked. Anyway since I do have the only female and she knows this, it will not be a prob. for Uma.

Mardelin · 03-02-2007, 07:51 AM

Good, keep us posted.

spiked_poodle · 03-16-2007, 05:34 AM

Well, the breeder has ordered some DNA test kits from AKC, and said I am to swab Umas' inside cheek and label envelope with her name sex and date of birth, and breed. I am then to mail this to her and she will send to AKC. She said it would take about 3 wks to find out. Apparently this mess up involves another female, and what concerns the breeder even more , a little male and 2 other owners! One owner is not communicating with anyone. That is the owner of the male. The breeder says the males DNA will need to be reistered on his 7th litter, and if all is not right oh what a mess! I will be so glad to have all this mess cleared up. I have never had this kind of thing happen to me befor, but I guess it had to be someone and looks like it was my turn.

YorkieRose · 03-16-2007, 07:01 AM

This why so many breeders leave the AKC for "do as you please" registries...if anyone thinks these screw ups are rare, they are very mistaken..without the policing of records and DNA, it only takes about one generation for non-AKC pedigrees to become the figment of the breeders imagination...not because they are dishonest, but people make so many mistakes...and you have to trust what the stud owner or breeder of your stock tells you...

AKC pedigrees are in no 100% correct, but they are the closest to being true as you can find...and if you have any doubts, the AKC will require DNA to try and correct the situation...

spiked_poodle · 03-16-2007, 12:18 PM

I am relieved that there will be DNA testing. The test is about the only way to know who Uma is. I am just heartsick if it turns out she is not who I was told she was. What if she is NOT AKC registerable. What if she doesn't have champion bloodlines. I love Uma and have told the breeder she will not be getting her back, but if she isn't who I was told she was I will be expecting a partial refund. I have never purchased a non AKC pup in my life. If I wanted one I would have sought one. However she is now a part of my family and I ccould not return her for worrying that she would not be as loved as she is here. I hate that this happened to me, but I guess it was bound to happen to someone.

Yorkiedaze · 03-16-2007, 12:35 PM

I would also ask the breeder that if no AKC papers can be gotten, then you want half the money back. If she advertised "AKC" puppies, and they aren't, then that is also false advertising. What you explained about the other person and the three pups and the mix up just doesn't sound on the up and up to me.

spiked_poodle · 03-16-2007, 12:43 PM

I was told by the breeder that 2/3 would be a fair refund if it doesn't turn out well for me and my Uma. What do you think?

SweetCuteness · 03-16-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze

I would also ask the breeder that if no AKC papers can be gotten, then you want half the money back. If she advertised "AKC" puppies, and they aren't, then that is also false advertising. What you explained about the other person and the three pups and the mix up just doesn't sound on the up and up to me.

I think it sounds fishy too. I would also ask that the breeder provide you with a tracking number for the DNA sample to make certain it is sent.

spiked_poodle · 03-16-2007, 02:10 PM

How would I use this tracking number to check if the sample is sent? What worries me the most is the breeder is concerned more about the male than my female. I sympathize with her that by the 7th breeding and it comes to reg. his DNA and he is not who the papers say he is, then there could be a whole lot of owners going after her. However it is just as important to me that Uma is who I was told she was. How do I know the breeder won't open the envelopes and do something to insure the male works out O.K. Also, apparently, another breeder bought one ? of the pups in question. The breeder requested we both send pics of our babies. We both did. The breeder can not tell who is who. I just hope I don't get messed over in favor of the new owner/breeder, and I do not know how to insure the DNA samples are not tampered with. I asked the breeder couldn't I just send Umas' in from my home, she said no, she has to send it in. Also, she has asked if I work for AKC since I live close to the office.

Sugar's Mom · 03-16-2007, 03:26 PM

i would not trust that breeder to send the dna swab in. let her give you the test kit and mail it in yourself. She does not have to be the one to do it. YOU, as the owner, questioning who your girl is, have the right to do it.

02-23-2007, 03:29 PM	#1
spiked_poodle YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: n.c. Posts: 600	AKC regitration glich? Hi! Not sure if this is the right place... but here goes. I sent off my pups' AKC form to get her registered and I got back a form that the breeder was also to receive a copy of. The form stated that there was only one female from that litter and she had already been registered! The breeder told me that AKC made a mistake there were two females from that litter. How difficult is this to straighten out? Will DNA testing need to be done on the Dams. Will I be able to register her? Thank-you __________________ Uma, Yoko and Yannis' Mom

02-23-2007, 03:45 PM	#3
spiked_poodle YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: n.c. Posts: 600	AKC glitch Thank-you Mardelin. Your input takes away some of the anxiety. I really love my little girl. __________________ Uma, Yoko and Yannis' Mom

03-02-2007, 07:19 AM	#6
spiked_poodle YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: n.c. Posts: 600	Update The breeder has assured me there is no problem on my end. I have the only female from the litter. The person who bought one of the males(breeder kept only other male) also bought a female from someone else. She is hoping an honest mistake was made. She thinks this person accidently mixed up the male and female on the papers! For some reason the sex boxes were not checked. Anyway since I do have the only female and she knows this, it will not be a prob. for Uma. __________________ Uma, Yoko and Yannis' Mom

03-02-2007, 07:51 AM	#7
Mardelin Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 14,776	Good, keep us posted. __________________ Mardelin *Yorkshire* *Terriers*

03-16-2007, 05:34 AM	#8
spiked_poodle YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: n.c. Posts: 600	AKC glitch Well, the breeder has ordered some DNA test kits from AKC, and said I am to swab Umas' inside cheek and label envelope with her name sex and date of birth, and breed. I am then to mail this to her and she will send to AKC. She said it would take about 3 wks to find out. Apparently this mess up involves another female, and what concerns the breeder even more , a little male and 2 other owners! One owner is not communicating with anyone. That is the owner of the male. The breeder says the males DNA will need to be reistered on his 7th litter, and if all is not right oh what a mess! I will be so glad to have all this mess cleared up. I have never had this kind of thing happen to me befor, but I guess it had to be someone and looks like it was my turn. __________________ Uma, Yoko and Yannis' Mom

03-16-2007, 07:01 AM	#9
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	Akc This why so many breeders leave the AKC for "do as you please" registries...if anyone thinks these screw ups are rare, they are very mistaken..without the policing of records and DNA, it only takes about one generation for non-AKC pedigrees to become the figment of the breeders imagination...not because they are dishonest, but people make so many mistakes...and you have to trust what the stud owner or breeder of your stock tells you... AKC pedigrees are in no 100% correct, but they are the closest to being true as you can find...and if you have any doubts, the AKC will require DNA to try and correct the situation...

03-16-2007, 12:18 PM	#10
spiked_poodle YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: n.c. Posts: 600	AKC Glitch I am relieved that there will be DNA testing. The test is about the only way to know who Uma is. I am just heartsick if it turns out she is not who I was told she was. What if she is NOT AKC registerable. What if she doesn't have champion bloodlines. I love Uma and have told the breeder she will not be getting her back, but if she isn't who I was told she was I will be expecting a partial refund. I have never purchased a non AKC pup in my life. If I wanted one I would have sought one. However she is now a part of my family and I ccould not return her for worrying that she would not be as loved as she is here. I hate that this happened to me, but I guess it was bound to happen to someone. __________________ Uma, Yoko and Yannis' Mom

03-16-2007, 12:35 PM	#11
Yorkiedaze My hairy-legged girls Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: lompoc, ca. Posts: 12,228	I would also ask the breeder that if no AKC papers can be gotten, then you want half the money back. If she advertised "AKC" puppies, and they aren't, then that is also false advertising. What you explained about the other person and the three pups and the mix up just doesn't sound on the up and up to me.

03-16-2007, 12:43 PM	#12
spiked_poodle YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: n.c. Posts: 600	AKC Glitch I was told by the breeder that 2/3 would be a fair refund if it doesn't turn out well for me and my Uma. What do you think? __________________ Uma, Yoko and Yannis' Mom

03-16-2007, 02:10 PM	#14
spiked_poodle YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: n.c. Posts: 600	AKC Glitch How would I use this tracking number to check if the sample is sent? What worries me the most is the breeder is concerned more about the male than my female. I sympathize with her that by the 7th breeding and it comes to reg. his DNA and he is not who the papers say he is, then there could be a whole lot of owners going after her. However it is just as important to me that Uma is who I was told she was. How do I know the breeder won't open the envelopes and do something to insure the male works out O.K. Also, apparently, another breeder bought one ? of the pups in question. The breeder requested we both send pics of our babies. We both did. The breeder can not tell who is who. I just hope I don't get messed over in favor of the new owner/breeder, and I do not know how to insure the DNA samples are not tampered with. I asked the breeder couldn't I just send Umas' in from my home, she said no, she has to send it in. Also, she has asked if I work for AKC since I live close to the office. __________________ Uma, Yoko and Yannis' Mom

03-16-2007, 03:26 PM	#15
Sugar's Mom BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 9,248	i would not trust that breeder to send the dna swab in. let her give you the test kit and mail it in yourself. She does not have to be the one to do it. YOU, as the owner, questioning who your girl is, have the right to do it.