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12-27-2006, 05:04 AM | #1 |
Mom to 6 Beautiful Furkids Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ohio
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| Question for breeders who own their male studs I will be looking to buy a male (not now but hopefully in a few months) for breeding. For those of you breeders who own the male, how did you start off?? Did you buy the male as a puppy or as an adult?? I am wanting to buy a male adult but I am finding it hard to find any older males that are for sale. Adult females seem to be alot easier to find than males. Being that I am starting out I really want an adult male that is experienced and has all the qualities and requirements I am looking for. And I really don't want to go with just stud service, it cost almost as much as it would to buy a yorkie and I really just want to own my own male. So how did you do it, how did you start off?? Does anyone have any suggestions on where to look when I am ready to get a male?? Or did you all buy the males as puppies instead and waited for them to get old enough?? Any input or suggestions is greatly appreciated!!
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12-27-2006, 05:33 AM | #2 | |
Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California
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What you're attempting is very difficult. You're first going to have to find a breeder and gain their trust.
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12-27-2006, 06:17 AM | #3 |
Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA
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| I totally agree with Mardelin! What you are doing is next to impossible. When we look for our stud and since we can only have usually one or two studs norm. we have to be especially picky. Top quality lines, researched the parents, and then buy him for show and show him in hopes he becomes a champion. I have seen a few, and a very few for sale only because the breeders either had this dynamite new male coming up in rank or because the male was getting older. And they started at 5,000 for sale. I think they were already championed too. Which is really a good deal, but they are normally older - around 5 years of age or older). ANd I have only seen 2 in all my years. Normally - we buy a show quality male and put forth the work, effort and cost of showing them. Yes, mine is also not available to the public as stud. I have asked to use others too - and yes it does cost, but should be worth it. T. |
12-27-2006, 06:51 AM | #4 |
Little Boogers Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: virginia beach, va
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| i got kirby as a puppy. he is perfect in everyway. i had him tested for all the genetic defects and he past all of the test. he has no champions in his pedigree but this doesn't mean he isn't any better. he looks just as good as a show dog. his temperament is perfect. he is playful and loving. his coloring is beautiful. he has a silky coat on him. just because there is champion in the pedigree does not mean it is a champion worthy dog. sometimes the champion is the great grandmother or father and their has been many breeding since w/o a champion. so don't think you have to have this in the pedigree to get a beautiful stud dog. of course, look at the history, see the parents (a must) and look at the dog himself. look at puppies being bred to be show dogs and this can give you an excellent idea of what to look for in the puppy. i hope this helps. you don't have to spend a fortune on a stud dog if you know what to look for. some show dogs have NO champion in the pedigree but do to good breeding, you get that beautiful breed of a yorkshire terrier
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12-27-2006, 07:25 AM | #5 |
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| It is just so much harder if at all to know your dog's background if the pedigree does not have champions up close. When buying a pup you have what the breeder can show you or what she provides to help you know about the pups' genetics. But if you have a pedigree and there are champions up close - it does make your research easier to find what genetics are behind your dog. Without it - you are at a stop and just hope it is all good. Yes, the dog is only as good as the ethics of each breeder in the lines (no matter what pedigree it has) and not all champions are the best, but at least if they are champions you have had many people go over that dog to evaluate it. In my opinion worth its weight in gold and makes my research a little easier and my decision a little easier to bred or not. T. |
12-27-2006, 10:34 AM | #6 | |
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12-27-2006, 12:32 PM | #7 |
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| it was my intention to buy a female first because it takes so long to get them old enough and thru their second heat but this beautiful little boy aby stole my heart. To me he is perfect. I only wish he had been a couple weeks older when i got him. he is very fragile. he is my only stud. he has been tested . I would never want more than one stud. They are a lot of trouble when the gals are in heat. it worries me to death. he gets to where he doesn't eat and is nervous all the time. he whole personality changes just for a few days tho then he right back to being his happy, playful self. i didn't know he was from the line I like until after I started researching his pedigree. he has no champions up close but goes back to Judabob's Classy casey who was a great producer and sired a bunch of champions both Akc and UKC. casey is his grandsire. i would be devastated if anything happened to him. if I had to place all my dogs right now, ceeby would be the one I would find a way to keep. he is special. i don't think I would ever buy another stud but hire my gals a 'boyfriend". |
12-27-2006, 06:47 PM | #8 |
My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado
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| I don't personally sell my puppies with breeding rights but if you are interested, I do know of someone who does that has nice bloodlines. I am not sure if she has any males right now but she may. You can email me for her info. Barb |
12-29-2006, 04:16 AM | #9 |
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| I bought Connor from a line that I knew carried the attributes that I was looking for. I'm currently showing him to prove his worth. I think showing is important as my opinion on his confirmation could be colored by the fact that I love him. It is also important in establishing yourself and gaining respect in the breeding community. I don't know of any breeders who would part with an excellent stud especially to a newbie. You have to prove yourself and gain their respect and trust first. I agree that champion lines are important as they make research easier. Knowing your bitches faults is also important so that you can breed to balance them. No dog is perfect, so know what you've got so you can improve the line.
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12-29-2006, 04:54 AM | #10 |
Mom to 6 Beautiful Furkids Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ohio
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| Thank You to everyone who responded. I am really not looking to show my yorkies, atleast not any time soon. I don't have the time nor resources to show at this time. I know alot goes into showing yorkies, it is alot of hard work and when and if I do decide to show them, I want to do it right the first time around. Honestly, at this time I have no desire to show in conformation. I have taken classes and studied conformation but at this time I am more interested in obdience and agiltiy competitions. I do applaude those who do show, it takes alot of hard work and dedication to show this precious breed. I am very interested in finding a breeder and gaining their trust. After all how could I expect to trust someone if they didn't have the same trust and respect for me. That is why I like to start my search early, so I can find a breeder that I can really get to know over a period of time. I guess what I am really looking for is an older male. Not one who is 12 weeks old but more like 6 months and older. This way I have a good idea of how the male will look as opposed to a 3 month old pup who will go through several changes before he even reaches 6 months old. And seeing the parents and knowing the line is also very important. Just because your dog is small doesn't necessarily mean he will have small puppies. You have to know the backround on their line. I agree with you lisatodd. Yes you may know more of what you are getting with one that has champions in the pedigree and it may be easier in some aspects. But there are yorkies who are just as great that don't have champions in their pedigree. The biggest thing is knowing the line. There are many breeders who have great yorkies that have no champions in the pedigree but they know their line and can tell you what to expect from them and how they will turn out. Just saying it is great if your yorkie has champions in his pedigree, but just because he doesn't, it doesn't neccessarily make him a lesser of a yorkie or less quality of a yorkie. JMO Again, Thank You to everyone who responded. I liked getting everyone's opinion on the matter and seeing their point of view.
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12-29-2006, 05:22 AM | #11 |
Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California
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| I agree with you that having Champions in a pedigree does not mean that you're going to have a great dog/bitch, nor does an AKC dog make it a good representation of the breed standard. ......that is unless you have obtained them from a breeder that has a long standing reputation in producing the best and stand behind their breeding. To succeed in your goal, IMO, I suggest that you find a breeder that is producing what you like and gain their trust.
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