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CO_yorkie_momma · 12-18-2006, 08:45 AM

I was wondering if any breeders out there that refuse to sell their pups with breeding rights ever get customers that become totally irate with them for not selling them a pup? I had someone named (name removed) write me wanting to buy a female from me and when I told her I don't sell to breeders she proceded to rip me a new___________. She told me my pedigrees I post are totally worthless unless I sell with breeding rights and they probably dont even match my pups and that is why I sell with limited registration because I dont want to be found out. Then she proceded to tell me how she could put me to shame with the amount of dogs she sells and she sells to breeders and show people and has more repeat business than she knows what to do with.........WOW all of this just for saying I don't sell to breeders. I would think a simple "OK thank you but I was wanting to buy one to breed" would have done. I googled her name and this is what came up. (removed) and saw she even had another website (removed) (for all of the mixed breeds she sells). I emailed her back and told her that the reason I don't sell my dogs to breeders is because I live in fear that they will end up in the hands of someone like her. She seems nothing more than a puppymill to me. I would be sick if someone like that got one of my puppies. Is it just me or does other breeders have to deal with this kind of stuff too?
Barb

Amber_lv · 12-18-2006, 08:56 AM

wow

i agree with you!

topknot · 12-18-2006, 09:10 AM

She is just upset that you will not sell to her - making her not worth selling to. Don't worry - you did the right thing. I also have had people made at me for not selling to them. Our dogs are our babies and we are responsible for what kind of homes we place them in and thus what kind of home we give them. I had one very young college age girl - leaving away from home with other girls in a small apartment (kids going in and out of the apartment all the time) and another very young mother with 2 toddlers running around the home mad when I did not sell to them. It is your own preference where you place your pups. I would not want my pups going to a home like this one either - pups not kept in the home. Could be a puppymill! I have not heard of her before - so must not be selling to too many show people. LOL Don't worry she is just saying stuff to make you mad since you declined her. I would not worry about it.
T.

CO_yorkie_momma · 12-18-2006, 09:26 AM

I know I shouldn't let her get to me but it honestly ties my stomach up inside that someone like her would get one of my puppies by accident. Maybe I need to sell them with a spay/neuter contract too? Even then what wouldnt stop someone like her from just registering them with someone other than AKC? How do we protect ourselves and our puppies from people like this? I can't imagine my little puppy in that steel building in those cages on those hard cold floors. Makes me sick to think there are people out there that would even make a dog live like that.

topknot · 12-18-2006, 09:31 AM

This is my worry too! I sell normally with spay/neuter agreement in the contracts, but with so many registries out there now. I am at the point where I will have them spayed or neuter before they leave to protect them from getting into the hands like the one that tried with you. My vet doesn't recommend having them spayed or neuter till they are at least 5 months though, because it will have problems with their bone development. But some other show breedeers I have talked with said that they have not had any problems doing this at a younger age - 4 months. So what to do? I have a male I will be selling and need to figure this out soon.
T.

Olivier · 12-18-2006, 09:36 AM

My puppies are spayed or neutered before leaving my home . This way , I am sure that no ones will use them as breeding stock .

red98vett · 12-18-2006, 09:40 AM

GOOD FOR YOU NOT SELLING TO HER !!

People like that so called 'breeder' make me sick...nothing but greed and dollar signs...and good for you for what you said in your email - unfortunately people like her never see the real truth in themselves. I feel so sorry for the thousands of dogs out there being sold by people just like her. It's people like that who make the word 'breeder' a bad name.

and way to go Oliver. That's the safest protection for your puppies.

CO_yorkie_momma · 12-18-2006, 09:43 AM

Villette,
I even used your famous term and told her she was nothing more than a puppymill and wouldnt want my dogs to get in the hands of a "greeder" like her.
Barb

topknot · 12-18-2006, 09:46 AM

Olivier - what age are they when you have them spayed/neuter? I am at this point now, which I am 100% sure I will have them spayed/neuter before leaving just to make sure. I just want to make sure if I do this at a younger age - they are fine and won't cause any problems. I would hate if I hurt them in any way. And I know you would not do this either. I had thoughts of just holding on to them until they were 5-6 months old and then spay/neuter. I have not had a litter in 2 years and did not have to worry about this so much before. I was also sure that I was placing them in loving pet homes too.
T.

ladyfaylyn · 12-18-2006, 10:08 AM

Yes this is very scarry to Me because before I will sell a pup I will do back ground checks on people and hire a P.I (Just kidding) But I will screen everyone that wants to see them (very thorough) I don't blame You one bit and some people are so rude.These are our Babies and it is up to Us to make sure that they get the very best homes and nothing less.And if that is what you want for your babies then stick to your guns and don't let people like this bother You. I as a new owner would much rather buy from someone like you because I would know I was getting the very best.This is just some of the things that I know will make Me just keep My babies ! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK

Lorraine · 12-18-2006, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CO_yorkie_momma

I know I shouldn't let her get to me but it honestly ties my stomach up inside that someone like her would get one of my puppies by accident. Maybe I need to sell them with a spay/neuter contract too? Even then what wouldnt stop someone like her from just registering them with someone other than AKC? How do we protect ourselves and our puppies from people like this? I can't imagine my little puppy in that steel building in those cages on those hard cold floors. Makes me sick to think there are people out there that would even make a dog live like that.

As you have likely noticed there are getting to be far too many of the likes of this woman that contacted you. Yes, I have had them get irate when I refused to sell either on the grounds it was not a suitable home in the case of a pet, or on the grounds that I do not sell open papers.
To keep my puppies and dogs out of a place like this, I do not ship. I do not sell on open papers and I do not sell with nonbreeding contracts. I do have a private contract stipulating the care etc expected of the buyer and that the buyer understands this puppy is for pet only. I no longer need a nonbreeding contract as the puppy has been spayed/neutered already by my Vet. They cannot come back and say gee why is this female not coming into heat or they didn't know I was not selling a breedable dog? It's in the contract they signed.
that means my puppies are at least 7 months old before they leave, often older. I don't have that many puppies at any time anyway. As a show breeder, I like to see how they are turning out to be sure what I want to keep and what I want to go for pet.
I have had people argue they don't want to buy that old a puppy or think they get it for half price. They can go elsewhere.
You would also be surprised at the number of people that express interest in one of my puppies and don't mind the nonbreeding, that is until they find out I already have them spayed or neutered. SUddenly they have to talk to their husband or wife first.
It boils down to the pet buyers I do get are beyond excellent.
My dogs and puppies are happy and well cared for. I get to sleep nights.
As long as the YOrkie or small mixed breeds of dogs are going to continue to be so popular, this will continue and will continue to get worse as well.

CO_yorkie_momma · 12-18-2006, 10:51 AM

I don't know if it is better to respond to these people or to just ignore them when they rip in to you for not selling them a puppy. She told me I had a forked tongue because I am a breeder and yet I won't sell my dogs to other breeders. Then she questioned the fact that I was selling the puppies I have now far too cheap for the bloodlines that they have and maybe the bloodlines didnt even match the puppy. This lady was viscous. I dont think showing my bloodlines is worthless just because I am selling them as pets to loving homes. I think people still want to see they they are getting a quality puppy and not one that is just bred with any dog out there. At least I show my bloodlines instead of just saying they have champion bloodlines and not showing them to prove it. Maybe I just need to learn to not respond but I take her accusations and nastiness personally. I see she is on the rip off report too.

Barb

Olivier · 12-18-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by topknot

Olivier - what age are they when you have them spayed/neuter? I am at this point now, which I am 100% sure I will have them spayed/neuter before leaving just to make sure. I just want to make sure if I do this at a younger age - they are fine and won't cause any problems. I would hate if I hurt them in any way. And I know you would not do this either. I had thoughts of just holding on to them until they were 5-6 months old and then spay/neuter. I have not had a litter in 2 years and did not have to worry about this so much before. I was also sure that I was placing them in loving pet homes too.
T.

Mine are spayed/neutered between 5 to 7 months old . I never had problems finding them new loving homes .

ChestersMom · 12-18-2006, 11:09 AM

I had a lady who contacted me from here at YT who I was willing to sell a female puppy to. As the conversations proceeded, she made it clear that 1) her husband was not entirely sold on the idea of having (or paying for) a pup and 2) she didn't have enough money to fix the one car in the family in order to meet me halfway to see the pup. The one weekend I was available, her son had the car. As politely as I could, I told her I did not feel comfortable selling her a pup as I was worried that 1) her husband would not be happy about it, and 2) How was she going to get it to the vet if she didn't have a realiable car that was at her disposal every day. She ripped me a new a**h*** in a scathing email about what a wonderful home the pup would have had, etc., etc. At first, I felt a little guilty, but decided to never look back and am so glad she did not end up with one of my babies. As far as I can tell, she no longer posts here. In this situation, it didn't matter to me if they were papered, spayed/neutered or not, she was not getting one of my darlings.

CO_yorkie_momma · 12-18-2006, 11:25 AM

How was she going to buy a yorkie when she couldn't even afford to fix the car? I doubt it would have been in a loving home with a person that got so irate so quickly and would lay into someone they dont even know like that. Doesnt sound like a loving person to me. Sounds like you made the right decision.

12-18-2006, 08:45 AM	#1
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	Do any breeders out there get this when they refuse to sell....... I was wondering if any breeders out there that refuse to sell their pups with breeding rights ever get customers that become totally irate with them for not selling them a pup? I had someone named (name removed) write me wanting to buy a female from me and when I told her I don't sell to breeders she proceded to rip me a new___________. She told me my pedigrees I post are totally worthless unless I sell with breeding rights and they probably dont even match my pups and that is why I sell with limited registration because I dont want to be found out. Then she proceded to tell me how she could put me to shame with the amount of dogs she sells and she sells to breeders and show people and has more repeat business than she knows what to do with.........WOW all of this just for saying I don't sell to breeders. I would think a simple "OK thank you but I was wanting to buy one to breed" would have done. I googled her name and this is what came up. (removed) and saw she even had another website (removed) (for all of the mixed breeds she sells). I emailed her back and told her that the reason I don't sell my dogs to breeders is because I live in fear that they will end up in the hands of someone like her. She seems nothing more than a puppymill to me. I would be sick if someone like that got one of my puppies. Is it just me or does other breeders have to deal with this kind of stuff too? Barb Last edited by admin; 02-09-2007 at 12:38 PM.

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12-18-2006, 09:10 AM	#3
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	She is just upset that you will not sell to her - making her not worth selling to. Don't worry - you did the right thing. I also have had people made at me for not selling to them. Our dogs are our babies and we are responsible for what kind of homes we place them in and thus what kind of home we give them. I had one very young college age girl - leaving away from home with other girls in a small apartment (kids going in and out of the apartment all the time) and another very young mother with 2 toddlers running around the home mad when I did not sell to them. It is your own preference where you place your pups. I would not want my pups going to a home like this one either - pups not kept in the home. Could be a puppymill! I have not heard of her before - so must not be selling to too many show people. LOL Don't worry she is just saying stuff to make you mad since you declined her. I would not worry about it. T. Last edited by topknot; 12-18-2006 at 09:12 AM.

12-18-2006, 09:40 AM	#7
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	GOOD FOR YOU NOT SELLING TO HER !! People like that so called 'breeder' make me sick...nothing but greed and dollar signs...and good for you for what you said in your email - unfortunately people like her never see the real truth in themselves. I feel so sorry for the thousands of dogs out there being sold by people just like her. It's people like that who make the word 'breeder' a bad name. and way to go Oliver. That's the safest protection for your puppies. __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

12-18-2006, 10:08 AM	#10
ladyfaylyn Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 197	Yes this is very scarry to Me because before I will sell a pup I will do back ground checks on people and hire a P.I (Just kidding) But I will screen everyone that wants to see them (very thorough) I don't blame You one bit and some people are so rude.These are our Babies and it is up to Us to make sure that they get the very best homes and nothing less.And if that is what you want for your babies then stick to your guns and don't let people like this bother You. I as a new owner would much rather buy from someone like you because I would know I was getting the very best.This is just some of the things that I know will make Me just keep My babies ! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK __________________ *Daisy Bailee Tami*

12-18-2006, 09:26 AM	#4
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	I know I shouldn't let her get to me but it honestly ties my stomach up inside that someone like her would get one of my puppies by accident. Maybe I need to sell them with a spay/neuter contract too? Even then what wouldnt stop someone like her from just registering them with someone other than AKC? How do we protect ourselves and our puppies from people like this? I can't imagine my little puppy in that steel building in those cages on those hard cold floors. Makes me sick to think there are people out there that would even make a dog live like that.

12-18-2006, 09:31 AM	#5
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	This is my worry too! I sell normally with spay/neuter agreement in the contracts, but with so many registries out there now. I am at the point where I will have them spayed or neuter before they leave to protect them from getting into the hands like the one that tried with you. My vet doesn't recommend having them spayed or neuter till they are at least 5 months though, because it will have problems with their bone development. But some other show breedeers I have talked with said that they have not had any problems doing this at a younger age - 4 months. So what to do? I have a male I will be selling and need to figure this out soon. T.

12-18-2006, 09:36 AM	#6
Olivier Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 2,999	My puppies are spayed or neutered before leaving my home . This way , I am sure that no ones will use them as breeding stock .

12-18-2006, 09:43 AM	#8
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	Villette, I even used your famous term and told her she was nothing more than a puppymill and wouldnt want my dogs to get in the hands of a "greeder" like her. Barb

12-18-2006, 09:46 AM	#9
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	Olivier - what age are they when you have them spayed/neuter? I am at this point now, which I am 100% sure I will have them spayed/neuter before leaving just to make sure. I just want to make sure if I do this at a younger age - they are fine and won't cause any problems. I would hate if I hurt them in any way. And I know you would not do this either. I had thoughts of just holding on to them until they were 5-6 months old and then spay/neuter. I have not had a litter in 2 years and did not have to worry about this so much before. I was also sure that I was placing them in loving pet homes too. T.

12-18-2006, 10:51 AM	#12
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	I don't know if it is better to respond to these people or to just ignore them when they rip in to you for not selling them a puppy. She told me I had a forked tongue because I am a breeder and yet I won't sell my dogs to other breeders. Then she questioned the fact that I was selling the puppies I have now far too cheap for the bloodlines that they have and maybe the bloodlines didnt even match the puppy. This lady was viscous. I dont think showing my bloodlines is worthless just because I am selling them as pets to loving homes. I think people still want to see they they are getting a quality puppy and not one that is just bred with any dog out there. At least I show my bloodlines instead of just saying they have champion bloodlines and not showing them to prove it. Maybe I just need to learn to not respond but I take her accusations and nastiness personally. I see she is on the rip off report too. Barb

12-18-2006, 11:09 AM	#14
ChestersMom YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bacliff, TX Posts: 947	I had a lady who contacted me from here at YT who I was willing to sell a female puppy to. As the conversations proceeded, she made it clear that 1) her husband was not entirely sold on the idea of having (or paying for) a pup and 2) she didn't have enough money to fix the one car in the family in order to meet me halfway to see the pup. The one weekend I was available, her son had the car. As politely as I could, I told her I did not feel comfortable selling her a pup as I was worried that 1) her husband would not be happy about it, and 2) How was she going to get it to the vet if she didn't have a realiable car that was at her disposal every day. She ripped me a new ah* in a scathing email about what a wonderful home the pup would have had, etc., etc. At first, I felt a little guilty, but decided to never look back and am so glad she did not end up with one of my babies. As far as I can tell, she no longer posts here. In this situation, it didn't matter to me if they were papered, spayed/neutered or not, she was not getting one of my darlings.

12-18-2006, 11:25 AM	#15
CO_yorkie_momma My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado Posts: 2,260	How was she going to buy a yorkie when she couldn't even afford to fix the car? I doubt it would have been in a loving home with a person that got so irate so quickly and would lay into someone they dont even know like that. Doesnt sound like a loving person to me. Sounds like you made the right decision.