Gotta ask about declaws and docked tails? - YorkieTalk.com Forums

rnb · 12-09-2006, 11:21 AM

I was going to buy a puppy 14 weeks old and happen to ask if her declaws were removed and tail docked? She said no why wouldnt a breeder do that? Is it mean to have that done now at 14 weeks? Sorry but in my opinion I like the docked tail maybe I should move on find one that is docked and declawed!

Rory

yorkieK9trainer · 12-09-2006, 11:26 AM

I purchased my latest Yorkie from Budapest, Hungary. She came w/ dewclaws and w/ a tail.
I will have the tail docked when she is closer to a year so that her weight is up, and she'll most likely be anesthitized anyway at the same time so that they can remove the three disiduous teeth I suspect will still be intact at that time.

The tail is cute, but not my style. And since I'll hopefully be showing her-if she continues to mature as nicely as she is-it won't be quite as difficult for me to do so.

rnb · 12-09-2006, 11:33 AM

So then in your opinion its not mean? I really dont care about the claws just the tail bothers me? How much does that usually cost? Gosh my heart is set on her so much ok do you think she should come down on price?

Thanks for responding Im waiting here with my kids getting ready to go get her and I want to make sure my ducks are in a row kwim?

Rory

RLC12345678 · 12-09-2006, 11:41 AM

You can get her dew claws removed and her tail docked when you get her spayed. They will have to put her to sleep at that time anyway so they coiuld just do it all I would think.

RORY! OMG! I can't wait to hear ALL about this little girl! Where is she located?

rnb · 12-09-2006, 11:55 AM

Shes here in Atlanta about 1 hr from me shes got the look I like but I was just wondering about the tail and claws I just dont want it to be a cruel so to speak thing you know? Wonder if she will take less for her? Guess it cant hurt to ask huh? I did call your breeder she hasnt got anything just my luck huh lol?

Ill keep yall posted, what age do you spay she is 14 weeks now has had 3 sets of shots will need another set in 3 wks she said?

Rory

RLC12345678 · 12-09-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rnb

Shes here in Atlanta about 1 hr from me shes got the look I like but I was just wondering about the tail and claws I just dont want it to be a cruel so to speak thing you know? Wonder if she will take less for her? Guess it cant hurt to ask huh? I did call your breeder she hasnt got anything just my luck huh lol?

Ill keep yall posted, what age do you spay she is 14 weeks now has had 3 sets of shots will need another set in 3 wks she said?

Rory

She will need to be spayed at 6 months of age. GOOD LUCK! Please let me know if you get her! You know I'm gonna want to see PICS! What are you gonna name her? Howard is really going to like having a playmate!

abbey46923 · 12-09-2006, 03:44 PM

the older a dog is the more serious the procedure is. i have one that has a dew claw she came to me as an adult so i talked to my vet about removing it and he said it would be almost like amputating a finger because there is a major blood vessel that runs through there and that it would be very painful for her so we opted not to put her through that. the only problem i have with it is that it curls and is hard to trim. sometimes they can get to long and get inbedded into the leg so i try to keep it short

Olivier · 12-09-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rnb

Shes here in Atlanta about 1 hr from me shes got the look I like but I was just wondering about the tail and claws I just dont want it to be a cruel so to speak thing you know? Wonder if she will take less for her? Guess it cant hurt to ask huh? I did call your breeder she hasnt got anything just my luck huh lol?

Ill keep yall posted, what age do you spay she is 14 weeks now has had 3 sets of shots will need another set in 3 wks she said?

Rory

I doubt she will let her go for less than she is asking for . Dewclaws and undocked tail is not something that will endanger the life of a puppy .

yorkieK9trainer · 12-09-2006, 05:14 PM

NO, the decision to dock or crop isn't a cruel one, I don't think. I mean, she wouldn't be in any more pain that she would be for a Ovarian-Hysterectomy (spay) I'd imagine. There are MANY more major blood vessles and nerves in that entire abdominal area than there are in a dew claw (often times there is only a small blood supply to the toe and there isn't even a knuckle present) and in the tail.
I agree that PREFERABLY it be done just a few days after birth, but if not, there's no reason imo to subject them to it if you choose to. And I'm not willing to get into the great debate over to spay/not to spay w/ anyone right now. With the way I've been acting the past day or two (pregnancy hormones?) I just know I'll read something wrong and snap. Since I don't agree w/ spaying/neutering for my own dogs until they're at least 16 months of age, this point is mute anyway (some people would suggest to have this procedure done at the same time of the spay). I just wait until they need to go in for deciduous teeth extraction and if that's not needed, then I'll do it when they weigh a little more and it's safer to put them under.
Don't feel bad if you choose to do a procedure that is considered "unneccesary" to some.

yorkieK9trainer · 12-09-2006, 05:16 PM

Oh, and I don't know what the breeder is charging you, but I'd be suprised if she brought the price down, just because she didn't remove the dew claws or dock the tail.

But like you said, it can't hurt to ask, and it may encourage her to do so next time just a few days after their born and be done w/ it.

txshopper73 · 12-09-2006, 07:13 PM

Personally, I would not do it at such a late age. Tails and claws are usually done between 3-5 days after birth. In MY opnion, it seems very cruel to do it to an adult dog. From what I have been told, it is more painful and recovery time is much longer. Tail can take weeks to heal while doing it to a pup just takes a couple of days.

In may other countries, it is against the law to dock tails and claws. I know there are groups here in America that are trying to get this law passed here, as well.

txshopper73 · 12-09-2006, 07:28 PM

reading up on some past threads on this same subject, someone suggested that if you're going to have an adult's tail docked, have your vet do it by laser method. It's suppose to be less painful for the dog.

yorkieK9trainer · 12-09-2006, 07:32 PM

Yeah, there are groups that are trying to get it passed here and it'll never happen. I'd bank my entire life savings on it.
I'm certainly pro-choice when it comes to this...obviously.

You'll always be able to get around it, just like they do overseas. I've purchased dogs from the Ukraine; Jamaica and from Hungary all of which are breeds that standard prefers a docked tail, dew claw removal and potentially a cropped ear and while illegal in ALL of those countries, it still gets done. Many of the breeders have taken courses to learn to do just tail docking and dew claw removals and they do it at home. Which is not illegal.
The one thing I wouldn't do, is buy a puppy that had a ear cropping done from the home. Never. Even if the person was a veterinarian himself. It just seems like that kind of art should take place in a more sterile environment w/ proper equipment around if the anesthesia fails. Many times dew claws and tails are removed w/ no anesthesia and that's why I think the two are very different for me. Kinda like circumcisions.

12-09-2006, 11:21 AM	#1
rnb Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Suwanee, Georgia Posts: 40	Gotta ask about declaws and docked tails? I was going to buy a puppy 14 weeks old and happen to ask if her declaws were removed and tail docked? She said no why wouldnt a breeder do that? Is it mean to have that done now at 14 weeks? Sorry but in my opinion I like the docked tail maybe I should move on find one that is docked and declawed! Rory

12-09-2006, 11:26 AM	#2
yorkieK9trainer YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North eastern Illinois Suburbs Posts: 1,669	I purchased my latest Yorkie from Budapest, Hungary. She came w/ dewclaws and w/ a tail. I will have the tail docked when she is closer to a year so that her weight is up, and she'll most likely be anesthitized anyway at the same time so that they can remove the three disiduous teeth I suspect will still be intact at that time. The tail is cute, but not my style. And since I'll hopefully be showing her-if she continues to mature as nicely as she is-it won't be quite as difficult for me to do so. __________________ "Big things come in small packages" http://www.myspace.com/yorkiek9trainer

12-09-2006, 03:44 PM	#7
abbey46923 Donating YT Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: indiana Posts: 944	the older a dog is the more serious the procedure is. i have one that has a dew claw she came to me as an adult so i talked to my vet about removing it and he said it would be almost like amputating a finger because there is a major blood vessel that runs through there and that it would be very painful for her so we opted not to put her through that. the only problem i have with it is that it curls and is hard to trim. sometimes they can get to long and get inbedded into the leg so i try to keep it short __________________ abbey,munchkin,sadie,andy,serena,nik R.I.P. Moe 10/24/1998 - 3/2013 R.I.P. Macey 12/29/1997 - 4/2013

12-09-2006, 05:14 PM	#9
yorkieK9trainer YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North eastern Illinois Suburbs Posts: 1,669	NO, the decision to dock or crop isn't a cruel one, I don't think. I mean, she wouldn't be in any more pain that she would be for a Ovarian-Hysterectomy (spay) I'd imagine. There are MANY more major blood vessles and nerves in that entire abdominal area than there are in a dew claw (often times there is only a small blood supply to the toe and there isn't even a knuckle present) and in the tail. I agree that PREFERABLY it be done just a few days after birth, but if not, there's no reason imo to subject them to it if you choose to. And I'm not willing to get into the great debate over to spay/not to spay w/ anyone right now. With the way I've been acting the past day or two (pregnancy hormones?) I just know I'll read something wrong and snap. Since I don't agree w/ spaying/neutering for my own dogs until they're at least 16 months of age, this point is mute anyway (some people would suggest to have this procedure done at the same time of the spay). I just wait until they need to go in for deciduous teeth extraction and if that's not needed, then I'll do it when they weigh a little more and it's safer to put them under. Don't feel bad if you choose to do a procedure that is considered "unneccesary" to some. __________________ "Big things come in small packages" http://www.myspace.com/yorkiek9trainer

12-09-2006, 05:16 PM	#10
yorkieK9trainer YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North eastern Illinois Suburbs Posts: 1,669	Oh, and I don't know what the breeder is charging you, but I'd be suprised if she brought the price down, just because she didn't remove the dew claws or dock the tail. But like you said, it can't hurt to ask, and it may encourage her to do so next time just a few days after their born and be done w/ it. __________________ "Big things come in small packages" http://www.myspace.com/yorkiek9trainer

12-09-2006, 11:33 AM	#3
rnb Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Suwanee, Georgia Posts: 40	So then in your opinion its not mean? I really dont care about the claws just the tail bothers me? How much does that usually cost? Gosh my heart is set on her so much ok do you think she should come down on price? Thanks for responding Im waiting here with my kids getting ready to go get her and I want to make sure my ducks are in a row kwim? Rory

12-09-2006, 11:41 AM	#4
RLC12345678 I heart Hootie & Hobbs Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: USA Posts: 7,149	You can get her dew claws removed and her tail docked when you get her spayed. They will have to put her to sleep at that time anyway so they coiuld just do it all I would think. RORY! OMG! I can't wait to hear ALL about this little girl! Where is she located?

12-09-2006, 11:55 AM	#5
rnb Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Suwanee, Georgia Posts: 40	Shes here in Atlanta about 1 hr from me shes got the look I like but I was just wondering about the tail and claws I just dont want it to be a cruel so to speak thing you know? Wonder if she will take less for her? Guess it cant hurt to ask huh? I did call your breeder she hasnt got anything just my luck huh lol? Ill keep yall posted, what age do you spay she is 14 weeks now has had 3 sets of shots will need another set in 3 wks she said? Rory

12-09-2006, 07:13 PM	#11
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14,226 Blog Entries: 1	Personally, I would not do it at such a late age. Tails and claws are usually done between 3-5 days after birth. In MY opnion, it seems very cruel to do it to an adult dog. From what I have been told, it is more painful and recovery time is much longer. Tail can take weeks to heal while doing it to a pup just takes a couple of days. In may other countries, it is against the law to dock tails and claws. I know there are groups here in America that are trying to get this law passed here, as well. __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley

12-09-2006, 07:28 PM	#12
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14,226 Blog Entries: 1	reading up on some past threads on this same subject, someone suggested that if you're going to have an adult's tail docked, have your vet do it by laser method. It's suppose to be less painful for the dog. __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley

12-09-2006, 07:32 PM	#13
yorkieK9trainer YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North eastern Illinois Suburbs Posts: 1,669	Yeah, there are groups that are trying to get it passed here and it'll never happen. I'd bank my entire life savings on it. I'm certainly pro-choice when it comes to this...obviously. You'll always be able to get around it, just like they do overseas. I've purchased dogs from the Ukraine; Jamaica and from Hungary all of which are breeds that standard prefers a docked tail, dew claw removal and potentially a cropped ear and while illegal in ALL of those countries, it still gets done. Many of the breeders have taken courses to learn to do just tail docking and dew claw removals and they do it at home. Which is not illegal. The one thing I wouldn't do, is buy a puppy that had a ear cropping done from the home. Never. Even if the person was a veterinarian himself. It just seems like that kind of art should take place in a more sterile environment w/ proper equipment around if the anesthesia fails. Many times dew claws and tails are removed w/ no anesthesia and that's why I think the two are very different for me. Kinda like circumcisions. __________________ "Big things come in small packages" http://www.myspace.com/yorkiek9trainer