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11-30-2006, 07:06 AM | #1 |
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| Breeding Dogs from Millers Let's say you get a dog from a miller. You didn't know before you got your dog, but now you do. This person breeds multiple breeds, crossbreeds, dogs in cages...textbook miller. Would you think it would be OK to breed the dog you got from them? What if a vet checked and said everything was OK, would it be OK then? **Let me just saythat I would NEVER EVER do this, but I realize some would, I'm just curious as to getting some other opinions.** |
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11-30-2006, 07:20 AM | #2 |
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| Not sure to be honest. I know you would like to hear NO, but if I did it would be strictly for my own pleasure to have more pups for me to enjoy. I would never sell them, I would keep them all. And, it would have to be after the vet said the tests indicate everything would be okay with breeding. One litter and that would be all and then she would be spayed.
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11-30-2006, 07:27 AM | #3 |
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| I would absolutely NOT breed that dog because you don't know the dog's history (his parents, grandparents and further back). It's just too risky.
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11-30-2006, 07:29 AM | #4 | |
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11-30-2006, 07:39 AM | #5 |
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| prob not but the vet can test for health or genetic heredity problems beforehand
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11-30-2006, 07:59 AM | #6 | |
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many dogs can carry recessive, problematic and possibly life threatening hereditary traits without ever showing a sign of them. They can check out perfectly healthy....but when bred can produce pups with serious problems. Luxating patellas, legg-calve perthes, collapsing trachea and portosystemic shunt are just a few of the myriad problems that can skip through generations and show up in pups. The really fun part is that sometimes the pups themselves won't show a sign of this for months and then wham...there it is.....and the people that took home the cute pup that they got from the nice lady who just bred her pet that one time (where did you put her phone number, honey?....I can't remember her name...) are dealing with a heartbreaking problem and a huge vet bill. It's a crap shoot at best. Responsible breeders buy breeding stock ONLY from other responsible breeders and research back as many generations as possible to try to eliminate these inherent issues and breed only healthy examples of the breed standard to minimize the risk as much as possible. Please spay and neuter your pets.....stop compounding these problems.
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11-30-2006, 08:03 AM | #7 |
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| What if you got a pedigree showing the history of the pup, and what if there were actually ch in that pedigree? And what if the vet tested the pup & all was well? Just curious - - why would it NOT be ok to use the dog to breed? I mean, are ALL dogs bought from pup mills bad for breeding, or is this just a stereotypical label that they all have? I'm just asking - not trying to argue. Just curious. |
11-30-2006, 08:05 AM | #8 |
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| Looks like sylvan and I both posted a reply at the same time. Reading through hers answers my question. Thank you. |
11-30-2006, 08:18 AM | #9 | |
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The risks of breeding a mill or byb dog are not stereotype.....check the sick/help posts on here for just a small smattering of consequences. and yes, reputable, responsible breeders that HAVE done the research may still have the occasional pup with an issue, but the incidence is far, far less frequent and they will stand behind their guarantees and make sure the pup gets the proper treatment.
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11-30-2006, 08:20 AM | #10 | |
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oops...well, looks like I elaborated anyway....coming down off the soapbox now.
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11-30-2006, 09:21 AM | #11 |
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| I know it is not impossible....but improbable....what is the likelyhood that a miller will have champion pedigreed stock clear of health problems. Slim to none? Kind of something that goes hand in hand with being a miller, don't you think? |
11-30-2006, 10:25 AM | #12 | |
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11-30-2006, 05:58 PM | #13 |
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| Nope, never!! You would be taking a Huge risk, by breeding them, a risk that is not worth it in my opinion. So nope, I would never breed a dog that came from a puppy mill!!!
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11-30-2006, 06:25 PM | #14 |
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| breeding Where a puppy comes from has little to do with whether it should be bred or not...quality, pedigree and health are important. Although I would perfer my name not appear on a pedigree with a known puppymiller. I have yet to find a group of breeders who can agree on who is reputable and not reputable...some of the finest names in the breed are thought of as BYERS..LOL Last edited by YorkieRose; 11-30-2006 at 06:27 PM. |
11-30-2006, 08:09 PM | #15 |
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| Wow...talk about a widespread variety of answers! Thanks to everyone who has answered. I ask because I recently ran accross someone who did the very thing I described, admitted how HORRIBLE the people were they got their dog from, admitted they never had any real costs incurred (including proper medical testing?) with breeding the dog...repeatedly. What I found so shocking was the fact that several people were actually SUPPORTING and ENCOURAGING this! It came as a total shock to me, but that was just my take on it. I was just wondering what others thought about it. Thanks again for all the honest answers! |
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