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Old 11-07-2006, 10:38 AM   #1
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Default Decision time coming...Need some advise please

I posted this in the general category also, but then later thought I probably should have posted this here........

Let me forwarn that this will be a long post Sorry!!

I got my Snickers from a woman who has been breeding & showing yorkies for 25 years. At the time when I picked Snickers, he had 2 female littermates & the breeder also had a 5 month old yorkie that she thought would be show material, but was for sale because she didn't seem to be putting on enough weight. Snickers was the one I felt connected to & the decision was made. Although she didn't seem hesitant in letting Snickers go, she did seem to want the girls to go first. Then she explained that she had intended to keep Snickers as a new stud dog, due to his lineage. She let me purchase him & our contract did not make me agree to letting her stud him, but she did ask me to please consider not fixing him & letting her use him for stud service. I told her that I would think about it, not knowing much about it.

Now, I don’t know anything about show material……..but of course I do think that Snickers is beautiful & seems to be within the standard guidelines of height, length, weight, coloring, etc. But again….I am new to the breed & this dog is my best friend.

I’ve read zillions of threads about studding dogs & I know ultimately the decision is mine. I have asked myself WHY I would consider it & I don’t like the answer that I keep giving myself & thus the reason for this post. So here it goes…..I know that many of you are going to get mad at me…but I am looking for feedback, so I can take it

I could really use a little bit of extra money right now. I know that studding a dog doesn’t offer too much, but seriously, I could REALLY use a couple of extra dollars right now. If I didn’t think that my dog would be a good candidate for a stud, then I certainly wouldn’t do it no matter how short on cash I was…..but I DO think he is a good candidate. My hold backs are the stories of how some dogs change personalities…& this would crush me as he is pretty well behaved as far as marking & stuff. My other hold back is it makes me feel like I’m pimping my dog.

The breeder left me a message on my cell phone this morning….I’m sure she is well aware that his first birthday isn’t too far away. I’ve not called her back yet.

OK……I’m ready for feedback.
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I won't fault you for wanting to make some money. I don't care what breeders say I am sure the majority of them wouldn't be breeding if they were losing as much money as some claim to. Just make sure you have his bite checked, knees checked, bile acid test (if any signs of a liver shunt) and it sounds like you know that he is a good specimen of the breed as far as appearance goes.

I don't think a male minds being studded out so I don't see any problems there. The thing I would consider if I was you is an unneutered male is more likely to mark, to hump, to roam, to get testicular cancer, etc. - the things you've heard and once you make the choice there is no going back. I will say that I have a stud dog for personal use that doesn't mark and doesn't have any of the bad traits that people associate with a stud dog, but I do feel I am very lucky because it usually isn't the case. There really isn't any way of predicting the future, but you may be paying a very high price to make a few bucks here and there. I really don't think there is a high demand for stud dogs, but maybe I am wrong.
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Old 11-07-2006, 11:12 AM   #3
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Confused I would vote no.

I wouldn't want my pet to be used as stud. The only reason I would even consider it, would be if several very experienced show breeders with winners convinced me that my dog was of such a quality that the breed would suffer if I had him neutered.

Of course, I don't even have a male anymore because the last one still wanted to mark even after I had him neutered very early so I'm probably not the most objective.

Anyway, enjoy your baby.
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Old 11-07-2006, 11:59 AM   #4
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If the breeder really feels that he is THAT great a dog, may I suggest showing him a little first before jumping into breeding?

I myself know pretty well nothing about breeding/showing, but I do know that a proven dog is a lot more valuable in stud than a non-proven one. Let him be in the ring a few times and if he does well enough and the breeder is wanting to use him as a stud, I say go ahead.
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If the breeder really feels that he is THAT great a dog, may I suggest showing him a little first before jumping into breeding?

I myself know pretty well nothing about breeding/showing, but I do know that a proven dog is a lot more valuable in stud than a non-proven one. Let him be in the ring a few times and if he does well enough and the breeder is wanting to use him as a stud, I say go ahead.

Thanks for the feedback everyone! You all have given me things to think about.

Alliec- Snickers did have an accident & badly injured his leg when he was 3 1/2 months old, so he wouldn't qualify to show
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I'm not positive about this, but I think males tend to mark more if there are other males around. If he is the only dog in the house it might not be a problem.
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I have learned from other breeders that once a male dog is used as a stud he changes a lot. No only does he start marking the house, but he also becomes a bit more aggressive than before. Many that I've spoken to have confirmed this. I wouldn't want my pup to change if I had a male. The marking would drive me crazy
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My male had his first experience last month and I'd have to say he's changed. For the better! He's more attentive to me, follows me, and more loving. Just lately he's following me everywhere! Even waited outside the shower dooors for me to finish up in the shower and watches me get ready for work in the morning. He's NEVER done this!
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Our stud has bred two different times. He started marking months before he was bred. During the time our female was in season, he was a little nuts with her being here in the house.He didn't sleep much. He was more agressive. His urine had a very strong smell to it . When the breeding was finished and she went home to my daughters, it took him about 10 days to "settle down" He may be slightly more territorial with me than before...... He follows me everywhere and if I leave the room he sort of panics until he locates me.....THats different.
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I won't fault you for wanting to make some money. I don't care what breeders say I am sure the majority of them wouldn't be breeding if they were losing as much money as some claim to. Just make sure you have his bite checked, knees checked, bile acid test (if any signs of a liver shunt) and it sounds like you know that he is a good specimen of the breed as far as appearance goes.

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i totally one hundred percent agree with your brave to post first paragraph. I don't care what they say , if these breeders were not making "some' money, they would not be breeding. I mean after all, who would do this for years and years and have a houseful of dogs unless there was something in it for them unless they are a show breeder and even that makes money when their champions reproduce. On the other hand, I have yet to see even a fourth of the money back that I have invested in my dogs. I have spent a lot making sure I had excellent breeding dogs and to keep them healthy.
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I think my answer is going to be no.......I spoke with the breeder & I really don't think that the money was enough to risk the personality changes.
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Even more important than personality change, you need to protect your Stud male from a Canine Venereal Disease, called Brucellosis. A blood test of the Female needs to be taken before any Studding takes place. A test takes about a week to come back, so plan ahead.
This only applies to Females that have been exposed to other males in the past, but I insist on a test even with New females, just in case. It's not worth it. Then the male spreads it to all females he comes in contact with. Puppies are either born dead, or die shortly after death, but a female with Brucellosis will never have babies live.
A-I is also a protection.
I have found that Stud males get more aggressive with other dogs, but just as loving to it's owners. They do get a little restless though, LOL
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My male had his first experience last month and I'd have to say he's changed. For the better! He's more attentive to me, follows me, and more loving. Just lately he's following me everywhere! Even waited outside the shower dooors for me to finish up in the shower and watches me get ready for work in the morning. He's NEVER done this!

That's because he's waiting for you to find him another female, and doesn't want to get left behind! LOL
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