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POOH & DESTINY · 11-06-2006, 11:01 AM

I have a wonderful 9 month old puppy that I want to stud. He has great markings, a wonderful temperament, 6lbs, and is AKC registered. I have never done stud service before and would like to know some insight on how to go about finding a female for him and what steps actually take place in the studding process. How long does it usually take for them to mate after they have just mated? Will they mate anywhere or only places the female or male puppy is used to? Please inform me. Thanks

POOH & DESTINY · 11-06-2006, 11:03 AM

Sorry I meant to say how long does it take for them to mate after they have just met each other.

topknot · 11-06-2006, 01:47 PM

Are you really sure you want to do this??? And I would wait till he is an adult yorkie. At 9 months they are still a puppy. I am not even sure you can breed at this age yet.

First of all before you breed - make sure your dog is to the yorkshire standard and know a lot about his background and pedigree.

Then if his past history and he looks great - have your vet check him out. Is is free of laxtaiting petellas and not a Liver shunt carrier, etc.... Have him thoroughly checked out, so he won't pass on any negative genes to the pups. Female you would be breeding to - needs to be checked out too! Also the burcellosis test, etc...

Then you have to have a willing female. Do you have a contract? It needs to be all written down.

Then when you do the matting - you have the female come to your house. Females can have a tendency not to cooperate if at their own home. Depends on the female. Then once they mate you need to protect the male by sitting there holding them during the time of the tie (normal time - 30 -45 min.). It is also a little messy. I usually breed when my vet tells me, after the ovar. test (tells when the female will be ready) and then skip a day and breed again. You just can't let them do their thing on their own - males can get hurt and if you breed too much - the result is not good for the pups - you can also not get as many pups.

There is alot to it and does cost to do it right. I hope this helps some. I highly recommend "The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog" by Seranne (Ann Seranne of Mayfair Yorkies).

Wecome to Yorkie Talk!
T.

Ladyhawk · 11-06-2006, 06:33 PM

I agree, if you breed him too young it'll really mess with his head. At 6 lbs. you have to be careful to find him a mate that is big enough. His pups might be too big for a 4.5 lb. gal to carry. Why don't you put him in the show ring first. After Connor's first match we got 2 inquiries about stud service. At the show last weekend we got a request for a pup from his first litter even though I assured her that it would be a while. Get his references together, get him tested, and get him exposure. He'll be ready before you know it.

LuvMy5Yorkies · 11-06-2006, 10:51 PM

One more important thing is to get his pedigree. The bitches owner will probably want to know what or who is in his background. Breed standard is so important and only a good quality yorkie should be used as a stud. You should first look into your male to make sure he should be used as one.

ButterflyYorkie · 11-06-2006, 11:39 PM

Hi,

Just wondering why you want to breed him?
Not trying to imply anything other than the simple question which can turn out to not be so simple for you in the long run without doing research and learning everything you can about the breed before jumping in. Please just take your time with your boy and do your homework before you just put him together with someone's willing female. Look into the risks for the female as well and please make sure that her owner is experienced and knows what they are doing. Take your time...read all you can and find someone who is experienced to help guide you and go over your boy to see if he is a good candidate first.

Best wishes

yorkieK9trainer · 11-06-2006, 11:45 PM

6 pounds at 9 months? He's most likely going to be over the standard in weight, what about in size?

There are many good reasons to breed and even more bad ones. Please do some more research, ask tons of questions - here might be a good start as you've already found out!

Yorkies are a dime a dozen out in this world. In fact, they've bumped the German Shepherd and are now in the #3 spot for AKC's most popular breed. Therefore, you may want to consider only breeding your Yorkies if you've got something better to produce than most others out there. Otherwise, what makes your Yorkie better than the one they can get from the petstore (that's oversized at maturity too) down the street that also has a great temperment and is cute?

Just things to consider.

ButterflyYorkie · 11-06-2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

6 pounds at 9 months? He's most likely going to be over the standard in weight, what about in size?

There are many good reasons to breed and even more bad ones. Please do some more research, ask tons of questions - here might be a good start as you've already found out!

Yorkies are a dime a dozen out in this world. In fact, they've bumped the German Shepherd and are now in the #3 spot for AKC's most popular breed. Therefore, you may want to consider only breeding your Yorkies if you've got something better to produce than most others out there. Otherwise, what makes your Yorkie better than the one they can get from the petstore (that's oversized at maturity too) down the street that also has a great temperment and is cute?

Just things to consider.

You know what Leslie? Speed reading class in high school was probably the biggest mistake of my life!

I did not notice the 6 lbs at 9 months. I skimmed too fast to take note. I agree...he is most likely going to be a bit over standard and not an ideal weight for stud if his weight is correct for his age now. I've produced a BEAUTIFUL 9 lb at maturity boy in the past and to me he is the BOMB with health, beauty and temperament...but I would not breed to one of his weight strictly because I firmly believe in only breeding within our standard.

Again, best wishes to you and hope you will take time to enjoy your 9 month old little fellow because he is most definitely still a puppy to be enjoyed! Yorkies really do not mature until atleast 18 months-2 1/2 years old. Coat will take even longer than that.

yorkieK9trainer · 11-06-2006, 11:59 PM

lol, you took that class? I'm thinking I should've! Maybe I'd get through my Vet Tech books much faster than I am before falling asleep! lol

And I agree 100% on your size commentary w/ regards to maturity!

Lacy's Mom · 11-07-2006, 11:11 AM

I agree with some of the others about the size. I don't think there is much of a demand for a 6 or 7 pound male, but that's just my opinion. You may be delaying the neuter and decreasing the benefits for no reason.

POOH & DESTINY · 11-07-2006, 12:52 PM

I Was Just Wondering How Does The Procces Goes. My Son Is To Young But I Wasnt Goint To Jump In It Right Now. Pooh Is Not Over Wiegth Its Just That He Is Tall For A Yorkie. I Know Why People Would Choose My Dog Over The One In The Pet Store Is Because Pooh Is One Of A Kind. He Is Beautiful, Has A Wonderful Coat, Tall, Lovable And Healthy. I Have Had Alot Of Poeple Come Up To Me And Tell Me What A Beautiful Dog I Have. Plus "tea Cup" Yorkies Have Too Much Of A Health Risk To Breed. So Ill Continue My Research And Use Pooh For Stud Service When He Gets Older.

Lacy's Mom · 11-07-2006, 01:58 PM

The process is usually something like this. You form a contract with provisions that are acceptable to both. The female and male should be within the standards and have his bite checked and knees checked. The female and her background should be larger or at least the same as the male and his background.

Males are capable of producing litters as early as 7 months, but I think a minimum of a year is better, probably closer to a year and a half.

The mating usually takes place at the male's location because the female is less territorial in surroundings unfamiliar to her. The owner may keep the female for a week beginning around the 10th day after the heat begins or the owner of the female may bring her over several times. Then attempts are made at breeding. You can usually tell a female is going to be receptive by running a firm hand down her back and she will raise her tail (called flagging). Once a mating takes place, then usually you skip one day and then breed again, and some skip another day and breed once more (but this increases the chance of having a premature puppy since they are conceived at different times). Some breeders (if the stud is young) breed once every day for 4 days. I, personally only breed twice with one day of rest in between and have 4 puppies, but some females ovulation patterns may be more difficult.

Breedings should always be supervised because if the female isn't ready she may attack the male. If mating does take place a lot of the time the female panics slightly about being attached and may drag the male around and either could become injured. Never breed more than once a day because the male's sperm must be given time to rejuvenate.

Dogs can transmit something called brucellosis, a venereal disease for dogs. If a female has it then the male will become infected and will pass it on to other's so it is a good idea both parties are tested before mating. It causes the female to abort the puppies or reabsorb them and to my knowledge is not curable once they have it.

As far as how long it takes, sometimes it is within minutes and sometimes days. The females seem to know the proper timing and when the timing is right she will allow mating. A dog cannot get pregnant unless ovulation is occuring. That is why one day she will growl at the male, but the next day she will be ready to mate. I think some males seem to know also. My male has been around two females during their first heat. Don't know if it is normal, but he was not interested in them in the least bit. Of course, we didn't take any chances and kept them separated, but it wasn't the same as keeping an older female from him that we just didn't want to breed this heat.

topknot · 11-07-2006, 02:57 PM

Lacy's Mom - you said preety much what I said.

Destiny and Pooh - since your job is in researching, then you should be able to find out very quickly if you should use Pooh as a stud or not. And especially since you gratuated with a BA in Animal Science - you also should kinda know about breeding.
Please check out the ytca.org site on standard. Do you have and know Pooh's pedigree? That is very important, as you know and learned in school. Also - a yorkie should be square - too tall is not highly recommended. He will most likely be over the weight standard, but he may stop (slim but can happen). And there is no such thing as "teacup." Just all FYI for you to know and learn. I know it is so hard to hear all these things since you are his mom.
We just want to let you know the information to help you, not to be mean. You asked, so we are trying to help you.
Just before you go through it - be very well informed so you can make an educated decision. Breeding dogs is not glorious or fun or clean.
Best Regards,
T.

11-06-2006, 11:01 AM	#1
POOH & DESTINY Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Frederick, Maryland Posts: 100	Stud Service Help I have a wonderful 9 month old puppy that I want to stud. He has great markings, a wonderful temperament, 6lbs, and is AKC registered. I have never done stud service before and would like to know some insight on how to go about finding a female for him and what steps actually take place in the studding process. How long does it usually take for them to mate after they have just mated? Will they mate anywhere or only places the female or male puppy is used to? Please inform me. Thanks

11-06-2006, 11:03 AM	#2
POOH & DESTINY Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Frederick, Maryland Posts: 100	Stud Service Help Sorry I meant to say how long does it take for them to mate after they have just met each other.

11-06-2006, 10:51 PM	#5
LuvMy5Yorkies Donating Senior YorkieTalker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sevierville, Tennessee Posts: 227	One more important thing is to get his pedigree. The bitches owner will probably want to know what or who is in his background. Breed standard is so important and only a good quality yorkie should be used as a stud. You should first look into your male to make sure he should be used as one. __________________ This is Me-Me..our baby and her sisters! My Photo Album Here My yorkies...my heartbeat at my feet

11-06-2006, 11:45 PM	#7
yorkieK9trainer YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North eastern Illinois Suburbs Posts: 1,669	6 pounds at 9 months? He's most likely going to be over the standard in weight, what about in size? There are many good reasons to breed and even more bad ones. Please do some more research, ask tons of questions - here might be a good start as you've already found out! Yorkies are a dime a dozen out in this world. In fact, they've bumped the German Shepherd and are now in the #3 spot for AKC's most popular breed. Therefore, you may want to consider only breeding your Yorkies if you've got something better to produce than most others out there. Otherwise, what makes your Yorkie better than the one they can get from the petstore (that's oversized at maturity too) down the street that also has a great temperment and is cute? Just things to consider. __________________ "Big things come in small packages" http://www.myspace.com/yorkiek9trainer

11-06-2006, 11:59 PM	#9
yorkieK9trainer YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North eastern Illinois Suburbs Posts: 1,669	lol, you took that class? I'm thinking I should've! Maybe I'd get through my Vet Tech books much faster than I am before falling asleep! lol And I agree 100% on your size commentary w/ regards to maturity! __________________ "Big things come in small packages" http://www.myspace.com/yorkiek9trainer

11-06-2006, 01:47 PM	#3
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	Are you really sure you want to do this??? And I would wait till he is an adult yorkie. At 9 months they are still a puppy. I am not even sure you can breed at this age yet. First of all before you breed - make sure your dog is to the yorkshire standard and know a lot about his background and pedigree. Then if his past history and he looks great - have your vet check him out. Is is free of laxtaiting petellas and not a Liver shunt carrier, etc.... Have him thoroughly checked out, so he won't pass on any negative genes to the pups. Female you would be breeding to - needs to be checked out too! Also the burcellosis test, etc... Then you have to have a willing female. Do you have a contract? It needs to be all written down. Then when you do the matting - you have the female come to your house. Females can have a tendency not to cooperate if at their own home. Depends on the female. Then once they mate you need to protect the male by sitting there holding them during the time of the tie (normal time - 30 -45 min.). It is also a little messy. I usually breed when my vet tells me, after the ovar. test (tells when the female will be ready) and then skip a day and breed again. You just can't let them do their thing on their own - males can get hurt and if you breed too much - the result is not good for the pups - you can also not get as many pups. There is alot to it and does cost to do it right. I hope this helps some. I highly recommend "The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog" by Seranne (Ann Seranne of Mayfair Yorkies). Wecome to Yorkie Talk! T. Last edited by topknot; 11-06-2006 at 01:49 PM.

11-06-2006, 06:33 PM	#4
Ladyhawk YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,808	I agree, if you breed him too young it'll really mess with his head. At 6 lbs. you have to be careful to find him a mate that is big enough. His pups might be too big for a 4.5 lb. gal to carry. Why don't you put him in the show ring first. After Connor's first match we got 2 inquiries about stud service. At the show last weekend we got a request for a pup from his first litter even though I assured her that it would be a while. Get his references together, get him tested, and get him exposure. He'll be ready before you know it.

11-06-2006, 11:39 PM	#6
ButterflyYorkie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NC Posts: 743	Hi, Just wondering why you want to breed him? Not trying to imply anything other than the simple question which can turn out to not be so simple for you in the long run without doing research and learning everything you can about the breed before jumping in. Please just take your time with your boy and do your homework before you just put him together with someone's willing female. Look into the risks for the female as well and please make sure that her owner is experienced and knows what they are doing. Take your time...read all you can and find someone who is experienced to help guide you and go over your boy to see if he is a good candidate first. Best wishes

11-07-2006, 11:11 AM	#10
Lacy's Mom YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 3,065	I agree with some of the others about the size. I don't think there is much of a demand for a 6 or 7 pound male, but that's just my opinion. You may be delaying the neuter and decreasing the benefits for no reason.

11-07-2006, 12:52 PM	#11
POOH & DESTINY Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Frederick, Maryland Posts: 100	Thanks!! I Was Just Wondering How Does The Procces Goes. My Son Is To Young But I Wasnt Goint To Jump In It Right Now. Pooh Is Not Over Wiegth Its Just That He Is Tall For A Yorkie. I Know Why People Would Choose My Dog Over The One In The Pet Store Is Because Pooh Is One Of A Kind. He Is Beautiful, Has A Wonderful Coat, Tall, Lovable And Healthy. I Have Had Alot Of Poeple Come Up To Me And Tell Me What A Beautiful Dog I Have. Plus "tea Cup" Yorkies Have Too Much Of A Health Risk To Breed. So Ill Continue My Research And Use Pooh For Stud Service When He Gets Older.

11-07-2006, 01:58 PM	#12
Lacy's Mom YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 3,065	The process is usually something like this. You form a contract with provisions that are acceptable to both. The female and male should be within the standards and have his bite checked and knees checked. The female and her background should be larger or at least the same as the male and his background. Males are capable of producing litters as early as 7 months, but I think a minimum of a year is better, probably closer to a year and a half. The mating usually takes place at the male's location because the female is less territorial in surroundings unfamiliar to her. The owner may keep the female for a week beginning around the 10th day after the heat begins or the owner of the female may bring her over several times. Then attempts are made at breeding. You can usually tell a female is going to be receptive by running a firm hand down her back and she will raise her tail (called flagging). Once a mating takes place, then usually you skip one day and then breed again, and some skip another day and breed once more (but this increases the chance of having a premature puppy since they are conceived at different times). Some breeders (if the stud is young) breed once every day for 4 days. I, personally only breed twice with one day of rest in between and have 4 puppies, but some females ovulation patterns may be more difficult. Breedings should always be supervised because if the female isn't ready she may attack the male. If mating does take place a lot of the time the female panics slightly about being attached and may drag the male around and either could become injured. Never breed more than once a day because the male's sperm must be given time to rejuvenate. Dogs can transmit something called brucellosis, a venereal disease for dogs. If a female has it then the male will become infected and will pass it on to other's so it is a good idea both parties are tested before mating. It causes the female to abort the puppies or reabsorb them and to my knowledge is not curable once they have it. As far as how long it takes, sometimes it is within minutes and sometimes days. The females seem to know the proper timing and when the timing is right she will allow mating. A dog cannot get pregnant unless ovulation is occuring. That is why one day she will growl at the male, but the next day she will be ready to mate. I think some males seem to know also. My male has been around two females during their first heat. Don't know if it is normal, but he was not interested in them in the least bit. Of course, we didn't take any chances and kept them separated, but it wasn't the same as keeping an older female from him that we just didn't want to breed this heat.

11-07-2006, 02:57 PM	#13
topknot Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GA Posts: 3,787	Lacy's Mom - you said preety much what I said. Destiny and Pooh - since your job is in researching, then you should be able to find out very quickly if you should use Pooh as a stud or not. And especially since you gratuated with a BA in Animal Science - you also should kinda know about breeding. Please check out the ytca.org site on standard. Do you have and know Pooh's pedigree? That is very important, as you know and learned in school. Also - a yorkie should be square - too tall is not highly recommended. He will most likely be over the weight standard, but he may stop (slim but can happen). And there is no such thing as "teacup." Just all FYI for you to know and learn. I know it is so hard to hear all these things since you are his mom. We just want to let you know the information to help you, not to be mean. You asked, so we are trying to help you. Just before you go through it - be very well informed so you can make an educated decision. Breeding dogs is not glorious or fun or clean. Best Regards, T.