Breeding Different coats & colours ?

[Peters]

i would like any and all info about anyone who has seen or done breeding of 2 diff. colours & coats of yorkies please. ex. blue & gold silk finer coat & black & tan cottony thick coats. what do the pupys look like ? how does their coat turn out? how can you tell what your dogs coat will be ? is one preferred over the other when it comes to selling/buying?

ok then any ideas thought appreciated..thanks.

[MyTrixie143]

Sorry I can't help you out. I would guess the puppies could turn out any way and you would probably have puppies of both types?? I think the silk coat is preferred as it is the standard for a yorkie. It would be interesting to see though.

[YorkieRose]

Mixing coats will give you some pups with soft coats, some with silk coats.. it depends on what types of coats run in the line..genes are not like mixing paint. Add black to white and get grey...you can not take an incorrect gene and breed to a correct gene and change the gene...a gene is set in DNA..

Breeding "types" to appeal to a buyer is not how to breed ethically. Breed to the standard, you will get enough screw ups trying to do right, let alone planning to breed incorrectly...Mother Nature can be a heartless, cruel old bitty at times.

[Emmsmom]

I don't see why you can't to be honest. I am no breeder but... there is a breeder on here who bred a red legged yorkie to I am assuming a silky coat yorkie. Their coat types were different and everyone seemed to be ok with it. I wouldn't think that would be any different.

[Peters]

i posted this to ask if anyone has done or seen it and what happened? aren't the dam genes dominant?

has anyone had 2 silks have a cottony coat or vice versa? i'm curious NOT
trying to cause a debate!

how can you tell what coat your dogs will have when they are puppys?
if a puppy has a thick wooly bully coat will it be a cottony or possibly turn into a silk? when do their colours change?

basically how do you know
when you buy a puppy what the coat will be silky or cottony and any way to predict colours?

how is one coat gene correct and another is not

[chachi]

I have a cotton coat yorkie and think breeders should only breed silky coat yorkies

[YorkieRose]

I think I was confusing....a softer then ideal coat is quite common..you can breed to a silk coat to improve it if the breed potential is good quality in other aspects..pedigree, structure..etc etc...

Breeding to appeal to a buyers market is not one of the points of the standard. It is the responsibility of the ethcial breeder to breed according to the standard.. to try as best as possible to produce a correct Yorkie..then educate the buyer as to the correct type..and if they buyer wants other then correct, then let them go elsewhere.

In no way was everyone "okay" with the breeding of the Red leg..but that is for each breeder to decide..you can not legislate ethic's..it is a choice.

[Peters]

so a standard yorkie has a silky coat?
where do cottony coats come from? how can you tell if they are cottony? when does a puppy coat change? any way you can tell if they will stay dark coloured of lighten up?

[YorkieRose]

I know you want answers to complex questions...the only way I learned was from mentors...from trusting reputable breeders to sell me silk coated potentials from good lines with the potentials to produce correct.
You look at the pedigree..parents and pup..and you can not buy too young. At about 4 to 5 months you can see a green or red eye flash..that has never been wrong for me...but there are shades of warm and cool..that can confuse. The greener the eye flash the silkier the coat..never failed me. Reds and ambers are soft.

[Peters]

ah ha ok thanks that makes a little more sense

[YorkieRose]

If I may..the correct term is not standard Yorkie...the standard is a guide line to what is correct..it is a formula or blueprint for the breeder.
The standard states the coat should be glossy, fine and silk in texture...so that is ideal..but it does not mean you can never breed a softer then ideal coat to improve..IF the dog is otherwise good quality.

JMO...but I would not keep a soft coated stud...but I would keep a softer then ideal bitch to breed to a silk lined stud..

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Peters

so a standard yorkie has a silky coat?
where do cottony coats come from? how can you tell if they are cottony? when does a puppy coat change? any way you can tell if they will stay dark coloured of lighten up?

Many many years ago, as I have been told by very long time breeders, ( I am only 10 years experience very short time) cotton coats were much more common than today. The beliefs at that time was cotton coats would help keep colour. Red leg, although incorrect, was thought to do the same thing.
Fast forward a decade or two from those days, and now it is known many people ended up with light coloured soft coated Yorkies and red leg Yorkie pups pop up unexpectedly because they are back there somewhere in the pedigree.
Now we have many reputable show breeders that are selecting and breeding for silk coat and holding colour particularly in the males. And yes, you can breed correct coat colour and texture over generations and keep that coat and colour. You may have puppies that are going to throw back out from previous generations into a soft coat or even the occasional red leg. NOt a good reason to breed these except I will keep a soft coated nice quality bitch depending on the pedigree etc.
You can't tell on a young puppy whether or not that could be a cotton coat or silk until they are getting to be about 5-6 months of age. If you are buying for show/breeding, never buy anything much under 8 or 9 months.
For colour, you won't know either if that puppy will hold colour or not. If it is going light at 5 or 6 months likely it will be light as an adult. I have had pet puppies that I sold or ones bought elsewhere that I groomed that went light at more than 2 years of age.
My Matthew, his mother Jodi, and Tommy have all 3 held colour and I am sure they will do so as Matthew is 3 1/2 years now, Tommy is 4 years, Jodi is 7 years, been spayed and in apet home for about 2 years now but I groom her so know exactly how she is aging.
You will have a BETTER idea of what a puppy will be coat, colour, size at between 8 or 9 months and a year. You will have an even better idea once they are over a year of age what you really do have. I have even seem some that look like they are going light as juveniles but darken again. Some will hold some will go light again later.
Excellent Pedigree, Champion parents, are not for sure going to produce that next show dog. I wish it did work that way. Pets I have sold have the same pedigree, Ch parents as my best show dog but those sold for pet were that, nice quality pets but not for the show rings or the whelping box as their sibling(s) were.
Hope this helps.

[Peters]

thank you

[Lacy's Mom]

Originally Posted by Emmsmom

I don't see why you can't to be honest. I am no breeder but... there is a breeder on here who bred a red legged yorkie to I am assuming a silky coat yorkie. Their coat types were different and everyone seemed to be ok with it. I wouldn't think that would be any different.

Generally, a red legged Yorkie is usually introduced into the breeding program to bring back the true blue and gold colors when a line is getting too washed out (more silver than blue).

I only breed silk coated Yorkies because I want the best chance in producing silk coated Yorkies. Just guessing, I think if you breed a non silk coat to a silk coat the non-silk is more dominant and you would probably have a higher percentage of puppies with non-silk coat or at least soft silk coats. It really is hard to tell the coat as a puppy that's why I would want to purchase from two silk coated parents that have produced silk coated puppies. Just an observation, it seems like the nonsilk coats have more hair as puppies, fluffier and thicker.

I have nothing against nonsilks, it's just that grooming is so much more of a challenge. My silk coats require only about 2 minutes of grooming per day, whereas my soft coat requires about 15 - 20 minutes a day. For those that like a puppy cut the nonsilks actually look better because they have a bit of a curl to their hair, but I personally like my Yorkies the longer, the silkier, the better.

[Dawgcrazee]

Does anyone have a picture of a red leg? I have never seen one.
Thanks,
Teri