YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community


Welcome to the YorkieTalk.com Forums Community - the community for Yorkshire Terriers.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. You will be able to chat with over 35,000 YorkieTalk members, read over 2,000,000 posted discussions, and view more than 15,000 Yorkie photos in the YorkieTalk Photo Gallery after you register. We would love to have you as a member!

Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please click here to contact us.

Go Back   YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community > Breeding / Showing / Traveling > Breeder Talk
Register Blogs FAQ Calendar

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 08-10-2006, 09:38 AM   #1
YT Addict
 
bigdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 347
Blog Entries: 1
Default champion bloodline/standard yorkies

I was wandering how i can purchase a female champion bloodline for breeding and pet. Everyone says don't breed unless you are breeding for better standards. I have a question. How can people breed better quality yorkies when all the top breeders want allow you breeding rights? I let my dogs have the run of the house. I have 4 houstrained yorkies and would like to purchase another female.I have two breeding females and one is going to retire in another year. I treat my dogs like my children and so does my husband who never had any children. He likes dogs better. Once i buy a dog , he or she becomes my family and never leaves. On one occasion i bought two from a puppy mill and found them good loving homes. I have no hunte kennels and anyone would be welcome to visit my home before i buy their dog.
bigdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Welcome Guest!
Not Registered?

Join today and remove this ad!

Old 08-10-2006, 09:51 AM   #2
Mommy To 3 Poochies
Donating Member
 
JCarlson2004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: New York
Posts: 8,287
Default

It's so refreshing to hear people talk about bettering the breed standard. I commend you for that! Good luck in finding your new little mommy!
__________________
Mommy Loves Codie, Tia & Baby Cali
RIP My Precious Katie - I Love You
JCarlson2004 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2006, 10:32 AM   #3
Donating YT 10K Club Member
 
BamaFan121s's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Alabama
Posts: 11,432
Default

Please don't take their unwillingness to sign over breeding rights as an insult. You have to understand how much breeders put into making their lines what they are. The worst fear of a breeder is that their pup end up in an unloving home, particularly the hands of someone who wants to just mill out pups and get $$$. Sure YOU may have the breed's best interest at heart, but THEY don't know that.
I would advise that you search and find a breeder that is willing to mentor you. You would be surprised at how willing some would be...it can be a win win situation. They get help and you get knowledge. Once you show that you are serious and that your intentions are good, you'll be shocked at the support and help you'll recieve from established breeders. You'll also be surprised at how much more you'll know as a breeder yourself from the experience. Perhaps a vet could help point you in the right direction?
But don't wait until you've worked out an arangement with someone, start now...read up everything you can get your hands on.

Good luck!
BamaFan121s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2006, 10:54 AM   #4
Senior Yorkie Talker
 
ferragame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Mohnton, PA
Posts: 178
Default

Exactly as stated above.

We started breeding Yorkies after we received our 1st one (Samantha) under a "breeder's contract". The breeder has been breeding/showing Yorkies for about 25 years and is a good friend of my wife. We spoke to her about breeding and she was actually excited to help. The original contract was that Samantha would have two to three more litters than be altered and given to us.

Well, she GAVE us samantha as a gift with the only stipulation was that Samantha have one more litter for her and then, with her assistance, we would start breeding Samantha. Sam only had 3 puppies in that litter. She then GAVE us Adalaid Lane from Samantha's litter as ANOTHER gift.

So now we have two females and her assistance - in finding potential buyers, showing, and information on betting the breed. We now work with a small group of breeders and use their males for stud service.

In return, I am assisting them with website development (look for it soon - www.spoilemrotten.com - doggie clothes, supplies, etc) and computer related questions. Its a great relationship.

We are truly blessed to be so lucky and enjoy great friends and colleagues. We are 100% committed to breeding the best Yorkies possible - no "teacups", "tiny" or "littles" here. It saddens me to see other "breeders" advertise things like that - for them its all about the money. I've learned so much over the past few years and continue to try and learn everything I can about such a wonderful beautiful breed.
__________________
Terrance & Eileen Ferragame
ferragame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2006, 12:10 PM   #5
Donating YT 4000 Club Member
 
feminvstr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Portland Oregon
Posts: 4,405
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdog
I was wandering how i can purchase a female champion bloodline for breeding and pet. Everyone says don't breed unless you are breeding for better standards. I have a question. How can people breed better quality yorkies when all the top breeders want allow you breeding rights? I let my dogs have the run of the house. I have 4 houstrained yorkies and would like to purchase another female.I have two breeding females and one is going to retire in another year. I treat my dogs like my children and so does my husband who never had any children. He likes dogs better. Once i buy a dog , he or she becomes my family and never leaves. On one occasion i bought two from a puppy mill and found them good loving homes. I have no hunte kennels and anyone would be welcome to visit my home before i buy their dog.
Don't get discouraged, what part of the country do you live in? If you PM me I will give you names of breeders, that have nice pedigrees that may be willing to help you.
__________________
Kimberly
feminvstr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2006, 12:43 PM   #6
Donating YT 1000 Club Member
 
Lorraine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Abbotsford, BC
Posts: 2,060
Default

If you are serious about wanting to get into some nice lines and breed to the standard for the YOrkie, go to dog shows. Keep going watch the Yorkie owners ask them questions. No reputable show breeder is just going to sell you a dog outright and especially a female. You have to convince them you are serious about contributing to the breed not just breeding.
That means you will have to be willing to show your dogs, use the best of the best in your breeding program. Any puppies that are not show quality you will sell under nonbreeding or have them spay/neutered before sale.
The biggest nightmare of show breeders is not just they may not get a good home, it is what the new prospective owner will do with the line carried by that male or bitch they have entrusted to you. Therefore, co-ownership is the only way they will go. Even then, it can be a huge risk to the established show breeder.
To start, I doubt you will find a female, they are too rare for most show breeders to entrust to someone new. If you find someone to convince to trust you with a male they will watch what you do.
__________________
Lorraine
www.loribenyorkies.com
Canada
Lorraine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2006, 07:36 AM   #7
Donating YT 2000 Club Member
 
topknot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: GA
Posts: 3,787
Default

I agree with Lorraine. She gave great information and reasons.
topknot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2006, 07:09 AM   #8
YT Addict
 
bigdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 347
Blog Entries: 1
Default

My daughter did buy a female with champion bloodline. She paid $1200 for her. She is a beautiful little girl but don't seem to be the brightest . She is really sweet though. We are having a time with the housebreaking. I told my daughter just to be patience. She is trying to do two pups at once and i have found this is hard to do. I have a lot better luck with one at a time. I want to really shop around, because i am willing to pay top dollar for the right female. I want one with looks and intelligence. I like to let my dogs have the full run of the house except for when i have to go somewhere. I have one little girl that is so full of mischief, i have to really keep an eye on her, she is housebroke but you never know what she is going to get into. Thanks for everyones input. I will try going tro some dog shows. That sounds like fun.
bigdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2006, 07:52 AM   #9
Donating YT 1000 Club Member
 
Lorraine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Abbotsford, BC
Posts: 2,060
Default

Have fun at the shows too.
Something I likely should have mentioned is price for a show dog and ages. A show dog should never be sold to you under about 9 months of age. If it is between 6 and 9 months breeders will sell you a prospective show dog and will either take the puppy back if a relatively serious fault shows up and give you another one, or some will allow you to spay/neuter sell it for a pet and refund the difference in price.
Prices for show dogs will range from $2500 to $5000 and these are under co-ownership with the breeder. If you can, find someone in your area that can mentor you, knows how to groom for dog shows, shows their dogs or has a handler do it and does know the difference between a show quality and a pet quality. Cute is nice but it isn't enough in the show rings.
They should be able to point out good points and faults in that puppy they have sold you. You should be able to know what are serious faults that you wouldn't want to keep in a breeding program.
__________________
Lorraine
www.loribenyorkies.com
Canada
Lorraine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2006, 12:47 PM   #10
Senior Yorkie Talker
 
yorkykisses's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Somewhere Pleasant
Posts: 193
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorraine
If you are serious about wanting to get into some nice lines and breed to the standard for the YOrkie, go to dog shows. Keep going watch the Yorkie owners ask them questions. No reputable show breeder is just going to sell you a dog outright and especially a female. You have to convince them you are serious about contributing to the breed not just breeding.
That means you will have to be willing to show your dogs, use the best of the best in your breeding program. Any puppies that are not show quality you will sell under nonbreeding or have them spay/neutered before sale.
The biggest nightmare of show breeders is not just they may not get a good home, it is what the new prospective owner will do with the line carried by that male or bitch they have entrusted to you. Therefore, co-ownership is the only way they will go. Even then, it can be a huge risk to the established show breeder.
To start, I doubt you will find a female, they are too rare for most show breeders to entrust to someone new. If you find someone to convince to trust you with a male they will watch what you do.
Great & Helpful post!
__________________
~Yorkykisses~
yorkykisses is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2006, 01:45 PM   #11
Donating YT 1000 Club Member
 
Lorraine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Abbotsford, BC
Posts: 2,060
Default

I was debating whether or not to pick up also on Champion bloodline dogs. Actually if you are buying from a show breeder whether for pet or for show, they will have be Champion bloodlines in that pedigree.
I usually don't breed unless at minimum one parent is a champion and my pedigrees have many champions within the three or four generations of that pup on both sides of the pedigree. In any mating, the litter I might have hopefully will have at least one show quality maybe more. Those that are not show quality, I will sell to appropriate pet homes spay/neuter not to be bred. The pedigree on that pet puppy is exactly the same pedigree as its show quality sibling(s) but that pet puppy, phenotypically is not show quality.
It is sold for pet because it doesn't have what I am looking for in a show dog. Coat may not be right or I know it will go too light, topline may not be level or it may be too big or end up being too small in size. These are just some examples. Regardless of the pedigree, if I deem it by experience to not be a show dog and therefore I don't want to breed it, then I am not about to let someone else breed it either. That's why show breeders will sell pet puppies either already spay/neutered or under contract to spay/neuter.
__________________
Lorraine
www.loribenyorkies.com
Canada
Lorraine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2006, 08:00 AM   #12
YT Addict
 
bigdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 347
Blog Entries: 1
Default

Thanks Loraine
bigdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks




Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off




Google
 

SHOP NOW: Amazon :: eBay :: Buy.com :: Newegg :: PetStore :: Petco :: PetSmart


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:33 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2003 - 2018 YorkieTalk.com
Privacy Policy - Terms of Use

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 753 754 755 756 757 758 759 760 761 762 763 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 789 790 791 792 793 794 795 796 797 798 799 800 801 802 803 804 805 806 807 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 819 820 821 822 823 824 825 826 827 828 829 830 831 832 833 834 835 836 837 838 839 840 841 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1018 1019 1020 1021 1022 1023 1024 1025 1026 1027 1028 1029 1030 1031 1032 1033 1034 1035 1036 1037 1038 1039 1040 1041 1042 1043 1044 1045 1046 1047 1048 1049 1050 1051 1052 1053 1054 1055 1056 1057 1058 1059 1060 1061 1062 1063 1064 1065 1066 1067 1068 1069 1070 1071 1072 1073 1074 1075 1076 1077 1078 1079 1080 1081 1082 1083 1084 1085 1086 1087 1088 1089 1090 1091 1092 1093 1094 1095 1096 1097 1098 1099 1100 1101 1102 1103 1104 1105 1106 1107 1108 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1120 1121 1122 1123 1124 1125 1126 1127 1128 1129 1130 1131 1132 1133 1134 1135 1136 1137 1138 1139 1140 1141 1142 1143 1144 1145 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1151 1152 1153 1154 1155 1156 1157 1158 1159 1160 1161 1162 1163 1164 1165 1166 1167