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08-10-2006, 09:38 AM | #1 |
YT Addict | champion bloodline/standard yorkies I was wandering how i can purchase a female champion bloodline for breeding and pet. Everyone says don't breed unless you are breeding for better standards. I have a question. How can people breed better quality yorkies when all the top breeders want allow you breeding rights? I let my dogs have the run of the house. I have 4 houstrained yorkies and would like to purchase another female.I have two breeding females and one is going to retire in another year. I treat my dogs like my children and so does my husband who never had any children. He likes dogs better. Once i buy a dog , he or she becomes my family and never leaves. On one occasion i bought two from a puppy mill and found them good loving homes. I have no hunte kennels and anyone would be welcome to visit my home before i buy their dog. |
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08-10-2006, 09:51 AM | #2 |
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| It's so refreshing to hear people talk about bettering the breed standard. I commend you for that! Good luck in finding your new little mommy!
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08-10-2006, 10:32 AM | #3 |
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| Please don't take their unwillingness to sign over breeding rights as an insult. You have to understand how much breeders put into making their lines what they are. The worst fear of a breeder is that their pup end up in an unloving home, particularly the hands of someone who wants to just mill out pups and get $$$. Sure YOU may have the breed's best interest at heart, but THEY don't know that. I would advise that you search and find a breeder that is willing to mentor you. You would be surprised at how willing some would be...it can be a win win situation. They get help and you get knowledge. Once you show that you are serious and that your intentions are good, you'll be shocked at the support and help you'll recieve from established breeders. You'll also be surprised at how much more you'll know as a breeder yourself from the experience. Perhaps a vet could help point you in the right direction? But don't wait until you've worked out an arangement with someone, start now...read up everything you can get your hands on. Good luck! |
08-10-2006, 10:54 AM | #4 |
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| Exactly as stated above. We started breeding Yorkies after we received our 1st one (Samantha) under a "breeder's contract". The breeder has been breeding/showing Yorkies for about 25 years and is a good friend of my wife. We spoke to her about breeding and she was actually excited to help. The original contract was that Samantha would have two to three more litters than be altered and given to us. Well, she GAVE us samantha as a gift with the only stipulation was that Samantha have one more litter for her and then, with her assistance, we would start breeding Samantha. Sam only had 3 puppies in that litter. She then GAVE us Adalaid Lane from Samantha's litter as ANOTHER gift. So now we have two females and her assistance - in finding potential buyers, showing, and information on betting the breed. We now work with a small group of breeders and use their males for stud service. In return, I am assisting them with website development (look for it soon - www.spoilemrotten.com - doggie clothes, supplies, etc) and computer related questions. Its a great relationship. We are truly blessed to be so lucky and enjoy great friends and colleagues. We are 100% committed to breeding the best Yorkies possible - no "teacups", "tiny" or "littles" here. It saddens me to see other "breeders" advertise things like that - for them its all about the money. I've learned so much over the past few years and continue to try and learn everything I can about such a wonderful beautiful breed.
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08-10-2006, 12:10 PM | #5 | |
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08-10-2006, 12:43 PM | #6 |
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| If you are serious about wanting to get into some nice lines and breed to the standard for the YOrkie, go to dog shows. Keep going watch the Yorkie owners ask them questions. No reputable show breeder is just going to sell you a dog outright and especially a female. You have to convince them you are serious about contributing to the breed not just breeding. That means you will have to be willing to show your dogs, use the best of the best in your breeding program. Any puppies that are not show quality you will sell under nonbreeding or have them spay/neutered before sale. The biggest nightmare of show breeders is not just they may not get a good home, it is what the new prospective owner will do with the line carried by that male or bitch they have entrusted to you. Therefore, co-ownership is the only way they will go. Even then, it can be a huge risk to the established show breeder. To start, I doubt you will find a female, they are too rare for most show breeders to entrust to someone new. If you find someone to convince to trust you with a male they will watch what you do. |
08-12-2006, 07:36 AM | #7 |
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| I agree with Lorraine. She gave great information and reasons. |
08-15-2006, 07:09 AM | #8 |
YT Addict | My daughter did buy a female with champion bloodline. She paid $1200 for her. She is a beautiful little girl but don't seem to be the brightest . She is really sweet though. We are having a time with the housebreaking. I told my daughter just to be patience. She is trying to do two pups at once and i have found this is hard to do. I have a lot better luck with one at a time. I want to really shop around, because i am willing to pay top dollar for the right female. I want one with looks and intelligence. I like to let my dogs have the full run of the house except for when i have to go somewhere. I have one little girl that is so full of mischief, i have to really keep an eye on her, she is housebroke but you never know what she is going to get into. Thanks for everyones input. I will try going tro some dog shows. That sounds like fun. |
08-15-2006, 07:52 AM | #9 |
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| Have fun at the shows too. Something I likely should have mentioned is price for a show dog and ages. A show dog should never be sold to you under about 9 months of age. If it is between 6 and 9 months breeders will sell you a prospective show dog and will either take the puppy back if a relatively serious fault shows up and give you another one, or some will allow you to spay/neuter sell it for a pet and refund the difference in price. Prices for show dogs will range from $2500 to $5000 and these are under co-ownership with the breeder. If you can, find someone in your area that can mentor you, knows how to groom for dog shows, shows their dogs or has a handler do it and does know the difference between a show quality and a pet quality. Cute is nice but it isn't enough in the show rings. They should be able to point out good points and faults in that puppy they have sold you. You should be able to know what are serious faults that you wouldn't want to keep in a breeding program. |
08-15-2006, 12:47 PM | #10 | |
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08-15-2006, 01:45 PM | #11 |
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| I was debating whether or not to pick up also on Champion bloodline dogs. Actually if you are buying from a show breeder whether for pet or for show, they will have be Champion bloodlines in that pedigree. I usually don't breed unless at minimum one parent is a champion and my pedigrees have many champions within the three or four generations of that pup on both sides of the pedigree. In any mating, the litter I might have hopefully will have at least one show quality maybe more. Those that are not show quality, I will sell to appropriate pet homes spay/neuter not to be bred. The pedigree on that pet puppy is exactly the same pedigree as its show quality sibling(s) but that pet puppy, phenotypically is not show quality. It is sold for pet because it doesn't have what I am looking for in a show dog. Coat may not be right or I know it will go too light, topline may not be level or it may be too big or end up being too small in size. These are just some examples. Regardless of the pedigree, if I deem it by experience to not be a show dog and therefore I don't want to breed it, then I am not about to let someone else breed it either. That's why show breeders will sell pet puppies either already spay/neutered or under contract to spay/neuter. |
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