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bebeyorkie · 06-12-2006, 07:34 PM

I have 2 dogs that are 10 years old they stay out in our backyard and I just purchased male and female yorkies 6 mos old. I would like to breed yorkies when they are about 2 1/2 yrs old. Animal control has contacted me regarding new dogs. They want me to apply for breeding permit. I'm worried because I live in covina Ca and they only allow 3 dogs per home.
I can't give any of them away I love them all!!! HELP
Any advice truly appreciated. They have no papers but are purebred.

alpayton · 06-12-2006, 09:53 PM

If it's like my city, my city just made it where a household can have up to 5 dogs before having to apply for a kennel license and pay license fees. They're just after the money that the license will generate. AND you'll have to have certain things such as kennel areas with certain specs and so on. They're probably not telling you that you CAN'T own more than 3 dogs unless you're breeding them, they're just saying that MOST people that own more than 3 dogs ARE breeding them and should have the dogs housing areas kept to a certain condition level. Their housing areas will probably be subject to inspections however so be ready for that. You should be able to call the Humane Society or the Animal Control offices in your city to find out about the requirements for people that have more than the allowed 3 animals and where to get the application for the "kennel" license.

This type of ordinance is going into effect all over the country. More or less it's to help stop the hoarders and collectors from collecting their animals and not taking care of them the way they need to be taken care of. It requires the owners to keep the animals vaccinations up to date, seek veternarian care when needed, keep their housing units clean and tidy at all times due to the unannounced inspections that can mean seizure of your animals if your facility doesn't meet the legal requirements.

Fear not, just ask the right questions.

Baby Blessing · 06-12-2006, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bebeyorkie

I have 2 dogs that are 10 years old they stay out in our backyard and I just purchased male and female yorkies 6 mos old. I would like to breed yorkies when they are about 2 1/2 yrs old. Animal control has contacted me regarding new dogs. They want me to apply for breeding permit. I'm worried because I live in covina Ca and they only allow 3 dogs per home.
I can't give any of them away I love them all!!! HELP
Any advice truly appreciated. They have no papers but are purebred.

California is really buckeling down on this, do you have to have yours micro chipped and how much is the license down there if it is unspayed? I know Los Angeles unincoporated area is really being hit hard with new animal control laws. I understand once one applies to be a breeder the county comes out and does inspection and certain requirements have to be met. This I am in favor of. I guess living in the city they have that rule of no more than three. How did the animal control contact you, do they come door to door? Do you know what the requirements are for getting a breeding permit?
I don't fully understand the new spay/neuter law in the unincorporated Los Angeles County area and I think it is very confusing to many many people, I personally feel there is a lot of discrimination in the new laws, I also hear this from many other people. It is my understanding even if a dog is a purebred and not registered they are required to be spayed or neutered, in saying that I am pertaining to the Unincorporated Los Angeles County. I do not know about any requirements or laws in other county are cities. I am going to do a search on the internet and see if I can understand it all better I find it all very confusing and also that some of the vets and some animal control personel are not really understanding it completely either.
Patti

YorkieRose · 06-13-2006, 02:58 PM

I had to dodge dog laws for 30 years..and so did many of my friends...most counties allow 3 to 5 dogs..but why do they need to know the exact number or the fact you want to breed..?
Don't allow your dogs outside all at one time..good luck

megan_kat22 · 06-13-2006, 03:02 PM

i personally think it is good that you have to have a licsense to breed, and a limit of dogs. this keeps bybs and puppymills under control. i know your situation is not like that, and i am very sorry you are stuck between a rock and a hard place!

doggrooming · 06-13-2006, 03:21 PM

Why do you want to breed? Why are they not registered? If you are going to breed then you should breed reg. dogs. JMO.

Baby Blessing · 06-13-2006, 07:03 PM

I get really confused when I hear people say back yard breeders, can some one tell me what this means in ones own words. I have met several people that have yorkies and breed from their homes and are the nicest people very clean homes and the yorkies are raised and socialized in a family home atmosphere, they love the breed and seem knowledgeable enough to me on the yorkies, we are looking now to get a little female. Thanks, Patti

Perroamor · 06-13-2006, 08:21 PM

I also do get confused with the fact with the term Back Yard Breeders, am I one.? Sometimes if fustrates me and I ask is there a Masters Program in breeding at Harvard or Yale or does years of experience give a person the mastery in breeding. In my travels I have met some breeders who live in homes just normal people who breed quality dogs and are down to earth people and I have met others who have titles and ribbons and are the biggest snobs. I am keenly aware of the overpopulation of dogs however, I feel that if a person is willing to keep the dogs that don't sell are breeding for conformation or changes or breeding out certain traits and not for the money are good breeders. Not for AKC papers or CKC papers or for the littlest Yorkies or the most expensive ones. There is no Tea cup yorkie they are dangerously small high mortality rate and are very expensive, now are they Back Yard Breeders the people who breed these rare dogs.
They have diagnosed people with hoarding as a mental illness the powers that be. I don't agree or disagree, I feel if it impends on you daily function then it is a problem. My best dog did not have any papers and due to that one fact it kept her from entering certain things. I don't believe that a person has to wait for 20 years to breed dogs to learn about top lines or floating patellas or overbites, it takes time and trust and intuition and maybe a mentor or two but you can do it. If a person wanted to look at horrible situations look at the puppy mills and let the people who breed quality dogs from homes reading books on the internet networking with others asking questions going to shows crying over losses keeping Vets very busy alone in there world with their animals that they absolutely love. In reference to papers I do understand Pedigree but it cannot outweigh a dogs quality. I learned this the hard way. I now would buy a dog with a good disposition good health socialized happy rather than a dog with great pedigree papers etc but none of the aforementioned. So I am a Back Yard Breeder.....

megan_kat22 · 06-13-2006, 08:22 PM

i bought tucker from what i define as a back yard breeder. she had the best intentions at heart, but could not afford her operation (i.e. heartworm prevention, quality food). she had dogs all over her house not very well taken care of, and long haired un groomed ones in pens outside. the ones kept outside were never allowed inside, and here in texas it gets extremely hot and humid . she did not have enough dogs to be considered a puppymill, that is why some use the term back yard breeder like i did. i was not referring to responsible breeders who have the funds, time, and love to care for each of their dogs. this is my just my definition, apparently mine is different than Perroamor's but that's okay- it's just my opinion. i would not consider their operation a byb

Baby Blessing · 06-13-2006, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by megan_kat22

i bought tucker from what i define as a back yard breeder. she had the best intentions at heart, but could not afford her operation (i.e. heartworm prevention, quality food). she had dogs all over her house not very well taken care of, and long haired un groomed ones in pens outside. the ones kept outside were never allowed inside, and here in texas it gets extremely hot and humid . she did not have enough dogs to be considered a puppymill, that is why some use the term back yard breeder like i did. i was not referring to responsible breeders who have the funds, time, and love to care for each of their dogs. this is my just my definition, apparently mine is different than Perroamor's but that's okay- it's just my opinion. i would not consider their operation a byb

Sorry but I would consider anyone under these conditions that you mentioned not to have the best intentions at heart. My personal opinion of a puppy mill is of which you just described, only on a much smaller scale. I am thankful Baby Blessing was in an environment of a caring breeder

I suppose we have been looking at what I would call conscientious back yard breeders and found them all to be very clean, The yorkies we have looked at were all kept indoors which I was happy to see, socialized with family members, homes were clean, and one could see they were all loved and cared for, vet checked and shots started. I have great admiration for people such as these, it takes a lot of time and much effort to do all they do in their breeding and raising them to the age of going to their forever homes. The folks we got Baby Blessing from moved back East, had they not moved away, I would definately have gotten the next one from them. These are strictly my own opinion.

Baby Blessing · 06-15-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bebeyorkie

I have 2 dogs that are 10 years old they stay out in our backyard and I just purchased male and female yorkies 6 mos old. I would like to breed yorkies when they are about 2 1/2 yrs old. Animal control has contacted me regarding new dogs. They want me to apply for breeding permit. I'm worried because I live in covina Ca and they only allow 3 dogs per home.
I can't give any of them away I love them all!!! HELP
Any advice truly appreciated. They have no papers but are purebred.

Hi, I don't know if you have followed up on this with animal control. We was discussing all this yesterday with several of our friends and was told that to get a breeding permit it costs $400.00 in Los Angeles County ( and I do believe Covina is in this county.) They are passing laws that may not allow you to do breeding cause from what we was told yesterday, they have to be Reg. and purebreds. You may want to look into all this soon. Since yours are six months of age, did you get them license yet? We are being told that they have to be spayed/neutered if they are not Reg. for breeding or Reg. for showing in Dog Shows, lot to swallow here, huh? In order to get the license they are saying all dogs that don't fall into the new law have to be spayed or neutered before they can be licensed. The ones that aren't spayed/neutered the license fee is now $60.00 a year, don't know what it is for ones that are done. I am going by the animal control today to see if they have a letter stating what the new law is so we can better understand it, instead of all the hear says. I think a lot of non caring breeders and irresponsable dog owners allowing their's to run about on the streets and then eventually be pound bound and euthenized has brought all this about. I would definately inquire at the animal control on all this so you know what is happening, a lot of this is very confusing to us, thats why I am going by there today. The micro chip is also something that is required now. We got Baby Blessing done at our Vet last week. I know how it is to get attatched to new babies but you might give this some serious thought about breeding them, especially now with all the new laws. Oh, the two that you bought that are six months of age, male and female are they from the same owner? I take it they are not brother and sister????????

JCarlson2004 · 06-15-2006, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Don't allow your dogs outside all at one time..good luck

I was thinking the same thing. Good luck.

bebeyorkie · 06-15-2006, 08:12 PM

Hi everyone thanks for all your comments!
They are not brother and sister. They are from different breeders. I love dogs especially Yorkies I've waited 10 years to get my babies. I waited till I was working part time so I would be able to care for them. Regarding why I want to breed - I only would like to breed them twice and it's not for any specific reason. I already have 4 very close friends who will provide pups with a very good home. But not sure yet I just might neuter/spay tehm. I just spoke with one of the persons in charge and he actually told me that the area I live in is not part of ordinance, animal control sent me letter by mistake I missed it by a block LOL .
The only problem now is that I still have 4 dogs and the city of covina will not give out a kennel license in my area.

Baby Blessing · 06-15-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bebeyorkie

Hi everyone thanks for all your comments!
They are not brother and sister. They are from different breeders. I love dogs especially Yorkies I've waited 10 years to get my babies. I waited till I was working part time so I would be able to care for them. Regarding why I want to breed - I only would like to breed them twice and it's not for any specific reason. I already have 4 very close friends who will provide pups with a very good home. But not sure yet I just might neuter/spay tehm. I just spoke with one of the persons in charge and he actually told me that the area I live in is not part of ordinance, animal control sent me letter by mistake I missed it by a block LOL .
The only problem now is that I still have 4 dogs and the city of covina will not give out a kennel license in my area.

The avator of your babies, they are really adoreable. Patti

Peters · 06-16-2006, 05:29 AM

byb are basically people who breed dogs for the $$ they can make off of them not really concerned about the genetics and so forth of the dogs just making as much $$ as they can!
i don't think people should breed unregistered dogs either...but maybe you could reg the with the ckc?

06-12-2006, 07:34 PM	#1
bebeyorkie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: california Posts: 659	Breeding Permits??? I have 2 dogs that are 10 years old they stay out in our backyard and I just purchased male and female yorkies 6 mos old. I would like to breed yorkies when they are about 2 1/2 yrs old. Animal control has contacted me regarding new dogs. They want me to apply for breeding permit. I'm worried because I live in covina Ca and they only allow 3 dogs per home. I can't give any of them away I love them all!!! HELP Any advice truly appreciated. They have no papers but are purebred. __________________ Bebe Toby Apple Our Beautiful Shells We will forever Love You 1994-2009

06-12-2006, 09:53 PM	#2
alpayton Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bowling Green KY Posts: 425	If it's like my city, my city just made it where a household can have up to 5 dogs before having to apply for a kennel license and pay license fees. They're just after the money that the license will generate. AND you'll have to have certain things such as kennel areas with certain specs and so on. They're probably not telling you that you CAN'T own more than 3 dogs unless you're breeding them, they're just saying that MOST people that own more than 3 dogs ARE breeding them and should have the dogs housing areas kept to a certain condition level. Their housing areas will probably be subject to inspections however so be ready for that. You should be able to call the Humane Society or the Animal Control offices in your city to find out about the requirements for people that have more than the allowed 3 animals and where to get the application for the "kennel" license. This type of ordinance is going into effect all over the country. More or less it's to help stop the hoarders and collectors from collecting their animals and not taking care of them the way they need to be taken care of. It requires the owners to keep the animals vaccinations up to date, seek veternarian care when needed, keep their housing units clean and tidy at all times due to the unannounced inspections that can mean seizure of your animals if your facility doesn't meet the legal requirements. Fear not, just ask the right questions. __________________ ~Amanda * Biewers: Armani & Titan

06-13-2006, 02:58 PM	#4
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	laws I had to dodge dog laws for 30 years..and so did many of my friends...most counties allow 3 to 5 dogs..but why do they need to know the exact number or the fact you want to breed..? Don't allow your dogs outside all at one time..good luck

06-13-2006, 03:02 PM	#5
megan_kat22 I love my boys! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 1,913	i personally think it is good that you have to have a licsense to breed, and a limit of dogs. this keeps bybs and puppymills under control. i know your situation is not like that, and i am very sorry you are stuck between a rock and a hard place! __________________ -Megan, Tucker & Tripp "My little dogs- heartbeats at my feet" www.dropshots.com/megan_kat22

06-13-2006, 03:21 PM	#6
doggrooming YT Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: foss, ok Posts: 321	Why do you want to breed? Why are they not registered? If you are going to breed then you should breed reg. dogs. JMO. __________________ Bumblebees Mommy

06-13-2006, 07:03 PM	#7
Baby Blessing Our Blessings R Many Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the shelter of God's Loving Care. Posts: 3,095 Blog Entries: 1	I get really confused when I hear people say back yard breeders, can some one tell me what this means in ones own words. I have met several people that have yorkies and breed from their homes and are the nicest people very clean homes and the yorkies are raised and socialized in a family home atmosphere, they love the breed and seem knowledgeable enough to me on the yorkies, we are looking now to get a little female. Thanks, Patti

06-13-2006, 08:21 PM	#8
Perroamor Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New York Posts: 156	I agree I also do get confused with the fact with the term Back Yard Breeders, am I one.? Sometimes if fustrates me and I ask is there a Masters Program in breeding at Harvard or Yale or does years of experience give a person the mastery in breeding. In my travels I have met some breeders who live in homes just normal people who breed quality dogs and are down to earth people and I have met others who have titles and ribbons and are the biggest snobs. I am keenly aware of the overpopulation of dogs however, I feel that if a person is willing to keep the dogs that don't sell are breeding for conformation or changes or breeding out certain traits and not for the money are good breeders. Not for AKC papers or CKC papers or for the littlest Yorkies or the most expensive ones. There is no Tea cup yorkie they are dangerously small high mortality rate and are very expensive, now are they Back Yard Breeders the people who breed these rare dogs. They have diagnosed people with hoarding as a mental illness the powers that be. I don't agree or disagree, I feel if it impends on you daily function then it is a problem. My best dog did not have any papers and due to that one fact it kept her from entering certain things. I don't believe that a person has to wait for 20 years to breed dogs to learn about top lines or floating patellas or overbites, it takes time and trust and intuition and maybe a mentor or two but you can do it. If a person wanted to look at horrible situations look at the puppy mills and let the people who breed quality dogs from homes reading books on the internet networking with others asking questions going to shows crying over losses keeping Vets very busy alone in there world with their animals that they absolutely love. In reference to papers I do understand Pedigree but it cannot outweigh a dogs quality. I learned this the hard way. I now would buy a dog with a good disposition good health socialized happy rather than a dog with great pedigree papers etc but none of the aforementioned. So I am a Back Yard Breeder.....

06-13-2006, 08:22 PM	#9
megan_kat22 I love my boys! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 1,913	i bought tucker from what i define as a back yard breeder. she had the best intentions at heart, but could not afford her operation (i.e. heartworm prevention, quality food). she had dogs all over her house not very well taken care of, and long haired un groomed ones in pens outside. the ones kept outside were never allowed inside, and here in texas it gets extremely hot and humid . she did not have enough dogs to be considered a puppymill, that is why some use the term back yard breeder like i did. i was not referring to responsible breeders who have the funds, time, and love to care for each of their dogs. this is my just my definition, apparently mine is different than Perroamor's but that's okay- it's just my opinion. i would not consider their operation a byb __________________ -Megan, Tucker & Tripp "My little dogs- heartbeats at my feet" www.dropshots.com/megan_kat22 Last edited by megan_kat22; 06-13-2006 at 08:25 PM.

06-15-2006, 08:12 PM	#13
bebeyorkie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: california Posts: 659	Hi everyone thanks for all your comments! They are not brother and sister. They are from different breeders. I love dogs especially Yorkies I've waited 10 years to get my babies. I waited till I was working part time so I would be able to care for them. Regarding why I want to breed - I only would like to breed them twice and it's not for any specific reason. I already have 4 very close friends who will provide pups with a very good home. But not sure yet I just might neuter/spay tehm. I just spoke with one of the persons in charge and he actually told me that the area I live in is not part of ordinance, animal control sent me letter by mistake I missed it by a block LOL . The only problem now is that I still have 4 dogs and the city of covina will not give out a kennel license in my area. __________________ Bebe Toby Apple Our Beautiful Shells We will forever Love You 1994-2009

06-16-2006, 05:29 AM	#15
Peters YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,225	byb are basically people who breed dogs for the $$ they can make off of them not really concerned about the genetics and so forth of the dogs just making as much $$ as they can! i don't think people should breed unregistered dogs either...but maybe you could reg the with the ckc?