AKC Suspension List - PLEASE READ Before Choosing a Breeder

[majesticyorkies]

I would like to explan my post on akc verses ckc, I live in nc And animal curelty is not on the top of the list so to speek like other states are. Alot of puppy mills here I have rescued several dogs from them, And have found out in nc any that these breeders have been rejected my akc so they turn to ckc to reg there puppies, It is cheaper and ckc do not do a in home check of the kennels here in nc like akc does, That may only be true for my state not anyone eleses But I have a few friends that have gotton some beautiful yorkies tht are ckc so just make sure you get to know your breeder well, and call the place that they are reg thier puppies from and get a report on that breeder. They should be willing to help you my alist of puppy buyers and pics of past puppies etc but most of all make sure they gaurntee that puppy! They shoud have a contract you wll sign and they will sign, Hope this helps, Thanks Denise in this day and age thier are alot of scammers out their so do be careful, bet wishes to all of you and good luck

[majesticyorkies]

You are right it sis a good post and helpful, And I just want to make friends Here it is a nice place for me to come and talk about my babies and learn more about breeding thats why I am here Hope we can become friends ok ? I think your yorkie is so cute, glad you are not mad at me I need to stp and think before I chat lol Hope you read my lastest post, goosh I hope it sounds ok too, well great post thats for sure Blessings Denise

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by majesticyorkies

I would like to explan my post on akc verses ckc, I live in nc And animal curelty is not on the top of the list so to speek like other states are. Alot of puppy mills here I have rescued several dogs from them, And have found out in nc any that these breeders have been rejected my akc so they turn to ckc to reg there puppies, It is cheaper and ckc do not do a in home check of the kennels here in nc like akc does, That may only be true for my state not anyone eleses But I have a few friends that have gotton some beautiful yorkies tht are ckc so just make sure you get to know your breeder well, and call the place that they are reg thier puppies from and get a report on that breeder. They should be willing to help you my alist of puppy buyers and pics of past puppies etc but most of all make sure they gaurntee that puppy! They shoud have a contract you wll sign and they will sign, Hope this helps, Thanks Denise in this day and age thier are alot of scammers out their so do be careful, bet wishand good luck

You are right, not just in your state either. The AKC is the only registry that does routine unannounced inspections, and with so many of us concerned about the puppy mill situation this is good to know.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

The AKC is the only registry that does routine unannounced inspections

No, it's not, but again, this is not the thread for that debate.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

No, it's not, but again, this is not the thread for that debate.

Please inform us of one other registry that does routine unannounced inspections, no debate. Please inform of us of any other registry that has a suspension list.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Please inform us of one other registry that does routine unannounced inspections, no debate. Please inform of us of any other registry that has a suspension list.

A published 'suspension list' alone does not set any one organization apart from another. If you have a question about a breeder, call and ask the registry for information or complaints made directly....simple as that. You need to call regardless...a published list give you no insight of complaints filed against breeders, just those who were in violation enough to actually have their rights pulled. You can bet that if any other organization denys a breeders rights to register with them, they are going to have a record of it, whether they put it on a fancy website or not. IMO, publishing a suspention list means very little so long as the organization keeps a record of the information.

As I already stated, I'm not an expert on the inner workings of every existing registry--if anyone wants to know the specifics of their practices, contact them and ask them. I know that AKC does inspections, both scheduled and unannounced. I know that CKC does as well--they perform inspections (rather quickly) when they recieve complaints and breeders who elect to become part of their Preferred Breeder program have a list of criteria that they have to meet including submitting to to annual inspections as well as random ones.

And I'm not trying to promote one registry over any other--they all have their flaws, and AKC is hands down the premier, most respected of the group, IMO. AKC is not void of unethical breeders (otherwise they wouldn't have a suspension list at all). There are MANY aspects that have to be considered, not just the stamp on the paperwork. Everyone has their preference, but assumptions can't just be made for all individuals based on what some do.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

A published 'suspension list' alone does not set any one organization apart from another. If you have a question about a breeder, call and ask the registry for information or complaints made directly....simple as that. You need to call regardless...a published list give you no insight of complaints filed against breeders, just those who were in violation enough to actually have their rights pulled. You can bet that if any other organization denys a breeders rights to register with them, they are going to have a record of it, whether they put it on a fancy website or not. IMO, publishing a suspention list means very little so long as the organization keeps a record of the information.

As I already stated, I'm not an expert on the inner workings of every existing registry--if anyone wants to know the specifics of their practices, contact them and ask them. I know that AKC does inspections, both scheduled and unannounced. I know that CKC does as well--they perform inspections (rather quickly) when they recieve complaints and breeders who elect to become part of their Preferred Breeder program have a list of criteria that they have to meet including submitting to to annual inspections as well as random ones.

And I'm not trying to promote one registry over any other--they all have their flaws, and AKC is hands down the premier, most respected of the group, IMO. AKC is not void of unethical breeders (otherwise they wouldn't have a suspension list at all). There are MANY aspects that have to be considered, not just the stamp on the paperwork. Everyone has their preference, but assumptions can't just be made for all individuals based on what some do.

This is my quote:

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

You are right, not just in your state either. The AKC is the only registry that does routine unannounced inspections, and with so many of us concerned about the puppy mill situation this is good to know.

Your reply

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

No, it's not, but again, this is not the thread for that debate.

My reply:

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Please inform us of one other registry that does routine unannounced inspections, no debate. Please inform of us of any other registry that has a suspension list.

You said "no it's not", and I said tell me one other registry that does routine unannounced inspections. You say you don't want to debate, yet you tell someone that the information they have given and believe to be true is wrong. So I would like know what other registry does this, the CKC only does inspections when they receive a complaint, and this is not the same as routine unannouced inspections so lets be clear about that.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

the CKC only does inspections when they receive a complaint, and this is not the same as routine unannouced inspections so lets be clear about that.

Yes and no, as I explained in my previous post, they do routine unannounced inspections with breeders in their Preferred Breeders program. As for those who are not, you are correct, to the best of my knowledge, they only conduct inspections when complaints are filed.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Yes and no, as I explained in my previous post, they do routine unannounced inspections with breeders in their Preferred Breeders program. As for those who are not, you are correct, to the best of my knowledge, they only conduct inspections when complaints are filed.

I have looked and looked at the website, where does it say this?Continental Kennel Club

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I have looked and looked at the website, where does it say this?Continental Kennel Club

Following the link you posted, it's on the application.

May I ask, what point are you trying to make? To prove that AKC is the best registry out there? Agreed--I'm not arguing with you on that. I'm not trying to claim that ANY registry is flawless and AKC is by far, IMO superior to the others.

My whole point was: To label ALL CKC breeders/dogs as unethical or decietful would be about as accurate as labeling ALL AKC breeers as ethical and trustworthy. It's just not the case. Does an alternate registry mean you have to be more cautious in getting the facts where the registry fails to? Yes, by all means. Bottom line, you have to be wary and do your homework w/ ANY breeder, regardless of registry.

[majesticyorkies]

Come on you guys don't do this, There are good breeders in every reg, the akc list showed you that, I really don't know anyting about the others I have only used akc, I only Know what I have been told and seen in my state that is all, If you a good breeder no matter the reg. Then none of this should matter anyway. lets all get along friends,

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by majesticyorkies

Come on you guys don't do this, There are good breeders in every reg, the akc list showed you that, I really don't know anyting about the others I have only used akc, I only Know what I have been told and seen in my state that is all, If you a good breeder no matter the reg. Then none of this should matter anyway. lets all get along friends,

I agree with you...lol. Seems like a simple enough concept. I say, do your homework and choose the registry you feel comfortable with and that suits what you are looking for. You can't force your opinions on others and make them agree with you. The best you can do is offer accurate information to others to aid them in their research and trust that they will make the decision that is best for themselves individually.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Following the link you posted, it's on the application.

May I ask, what point are you trying to make? To prove that AKC is the best registry out there? Agreed--I'm not arguing with you on that. I'm not trying to claim that ANY registry is flawless and AKC is by far, IMO superior to the others.

My whole point was: To label ALL CKC breeders/dogs as unethical or decietful would be about as accurate as labeling ALL AKC breeers as ethical and trustworthy. It's just not the case. Does an alternate registry mean you have to be more cautious in getting the facts where the registry fails to? Yes, by all means. Bottom line, you have to be wary and do your homework w/ ANY breeder, regardless of registry.

I'm not trying to prove that they are the best registry, but I'm tired of reading half truths.

Show me on the application where it says that the CKC does routine unannounced inspections. What page, can you cut and paste it? I can show you where the AKC says that their the only registry that does this, why can't you show me, instead of telling me. Maybe because it's not true?

Investigations and Inspections Department
AKC Inspections Fact Sheet


"The AKC is the only purebred registry in the United States with an ongoing routine kennel inspection program. The AKC has a dedicated team of field inspectors who visit kennels to ensure the proper care and conditions of AKC-registered dogs and verify that breeders are maintaining accurate records for their dogs. In 2007, AKC field inspectors conducted approximately 5,600 inspections nationwide. The AKC dedicates nearly $6 million annually to its compliance programs to ensure the accuracy of its registry and the care and conditions of dogs raised by breeders of AKC dogs." American Kennel Club - Investigations and Inspections Department

You keep on posting that the CKC does this, but when I ask for anything written you never provide it, and then you say it pointless to argue.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by majesticyorkies

Come on you guys don't do this, There are good breeders in every reg, the akc list showed you that, I really don't know anyting about the others I have only used akc, I only Know what I have been told and seen in my state that is all, If you a good breeder no matter the reg. Then none of this should matter anyway. lets all get along friends,

The AKC list only showed me that they suspended some bad breeders, those breeders will go elsewhere, and the alternative registries will accept them. I'm not as interested in making friends, as I am on educating the public. This can be very confusing for the new puppy buyer. I am not a breeder, and it makes no difference in my pocketbook what anyone buys. I did lots of research in the matter, and found that there is a great deal of misinformation out there. I am not here to "change" anyone mind; only help those who are looking for some good information on selecting a breeder.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Show me on the application where it says that the CKC does routine unannounced inspections. What page, can you cut and paste it? I can show you where the AKC says that their the only registry that does this, why can't you show me, instead of telling me. Maybe because it's not true?

It's on the downloadable application, on the link you provided, about 1/3 way down the first page, "2.Submit to random inspections of your kennel facilities." (Again, only for the preferred program.)

I am not sure how to more clearly point it out to you!

Again, I agree with you that by far AKC is the best registry and I am also of the opinion that their method of inspection is accross the board better than any other, so I am not sure of the point? Honestly, I dont' have any desire to discuss every tiny regarding CKC, their procdures or that of any other registy for that matter nor. If anyone wants more information regarding their guidelines then I suggest you contact them and have them explain it in detail.

I also base my opinion from experiences and communication not limited to just the printed words on a website. (Who in their right mind would limit their research and decisions to just that!? Generally speaking, if you don't want to view that as a factual source and take that into account, then by all means don't.

As for what I'm tired of reading, I'm tired of reading others praise AKC as a flawless entity and unfairly label anyone who doesn't follow their lead or use their registration. (in a perfect world would the piece of paper a pedigree is printed on be the only factor in determining dedication and quality.) And probably so even more tired of having to defend MY OPINION or being accused of lying just because my opinion doesn't mirror those of others.