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01-25-2006, 03:57 PM | #1 |
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| Hereditary? In your professional opinions which of the following are hereditary and which are surprises that just show up and you can't prevent? I would like to hear the opinion of breeders that are trying to maintain the standard. 1) Allergies 2) tri, parti, chocolate 3) silky vs. cotton coat 4) roach back If you have dogs with cotton coats and they are great examples of the breed in every other way...would you breed them? I am asking b/c my friend has two yorkies with cotton coats and she would REALLY like to have one with a silky coat next time. Is is just a fluke or can you control that? |
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01-25-2006, 04:58 PM | #2 | |
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You friend should get two quality dogs that exhibit the standard and start from there.
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01-25-2006, 05:23 PM | #3 |
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| Allergies is a tricky one. I have seen dogs with allergy problems that it is hard to say if it came down a line. On the other hand, in my pet grooming business I had, there were about 3 pups of small mixed breed breedings, same parents, that these 3 had allergy problems but the other sibs didn't. I think of the two litters there were about a total of a dozen puppies something like that out of two sisters. Now, the father was a poodle/maltese/lhasa/cocker cross and was a little guy about 4 lbs. He was bred to two sisters, females, that were cocker/poodle/lhasa crosses that were about 8 lbs. I don't believe any of the parents had allergies but the one female had a disc problem and they had to put her down by the age of six years. One of her pups that I know of had a slight back problem but not bad. Some of the pups had knee problems and had to have both knees operated on. So much for 'hybrid vigour'. #2,3,4 are hereditary for certain. With the cotton coats, you can try a silk sire and see what you get but without knowing what is in the parentage further back, you run a high risk of cotton coat. You would also need to know the pedigree of the sire and whether there is any cotton coat there. If you breed a cotton coat, get a silk, that silk can still produce a cotton cotton in the next generation or further down the line. As Tri, party and chocolate is not considered to be desirable, I would not breed for these colours. A friend of mine ended up with a chocolate in a litter, could figure out where it came from, made sure she never did that again and gave the chocolate pup to a friend of a friend. She didn't want to sell it as the colour was so incorrect. He got an excellent home and the owner was delighted with him as a pet puppy, neutered. |
01-25-2006, 05:30 PM | #4 | |
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Allergies can develop, and I've never had them in my yorkies other than one of my girls who is spayed. Tri, parti and choc would be passed through a gene so they would be inherited. Roach back: definitely inherited. Cotton coat: inherited. Yes, I have bred a cotton coat to a true silk and got a modified which was beautiful, a bit on the fussier side as far as grooming a true silk but nothing like grooming a true cotton. Then when I bred a modified to a silk with true silk on daddy's side, I got a silk coat. I may just be lucky, but genetics are tricky and i'm still learning every day that goes by. I'd prefer to breed a silk to a silk any day. But I tried to compliment the cotton bitch with the silk stud because I had such a good look, stucture and health on each one in general. I'm still working on that line and will continue to. I'm pleased with the offspring so far. But I'm always out to improve. Just wanted to say if anyone downs me for breeding a cotton coat, I'll personally come to your house with my knomes and turn them lose on your property! They will pull up all your flowers and shave cream your car All I'm saying is that I'm not an expert on genetics, but I am forever learning. | |
01-25-2006, 05:33 PM | #5 |
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| Forgot to mention allergies can be alittle tricky also because they can be an environment thing certain pollen, certain food (ie beef for example), even grass a Maltese/Yorkie mix that I pet groom has that problem yet her litter sister doesn't. Some have blamed the vaccination protocol of yearly vaccinations has compromised the immune system creating allergy problems. You can google vaccination problem protocol and read the info there. You can also consult your Vet making the Vet aware you know there can be problems. I think however, if I had a dog that had severe allergy problems, I would not use it in a breeding program. I also forgot roachy topline. I would be hard pressed to keep it in a breeding program as I know it will haunt me further down the line even if that roachy sire or dam produce a straight topline. You won't get a straight topline if both parents are roachy. I wouldn't consider keeping a male with a bad topline regardless of the pedigree etc behind him. Remember there are many Yorkies in breeding programs that are good conformation and in this breed, a level topline is an important breed standard. |
01-25-2006, 05:40 PM | #6 | |
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I think what you choose to do to try to get to where you are going is fine, it is one way to learn, but I think you have to be honest if someone wants your line further down the road. | |
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