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07-23-2015, 12:19 PM | #1 |
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| DNA test brought back conditional registration... Thank you for any advice; I used a beautiful little stud for my last litter. He had AKC paperwork, and my female also AKC registered had a litter. We received the notice from AKC that he was a frequently used sire, I guess I was litter 7 or 8 that he sired. First time tested for DNA, the resulting letter back from AKC stated that it was a conditional litter, so somewhere along the line there was a mistake on the sires pedigree. But what would you all do now? I sold a little female stating she was AKC we kept one female for ourselves, the other two puppies the new owners never planned to registered them and they are already neutered. I know I will not use him as my stud again, and probably not use the female we kept for breeding (darn she is perfect), but what would be fair to the female owners as they do not want to give her back for another puppy in a coming litter? They did plan on breeding her. I do not want to be dishonest. Also does AKC now go back and change the previous litters he sired also? The owner of the male also had no idea and I do believe she did not have any knowledge of this. Suggestions? Thanks in advance. |
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07-23-2015, 12:23 PM | #2 |
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| I am not a breeder so I have zero experience in matters like this. But I can say with 100% certainty that honesty is ALWAYS the best choice.
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07-23-2015, 12:37 PM | #3 |
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| I am sorry you are having to deal with this mess up on the registration. It is possible for the stud owner to go back to the people they got him from and try to figure out who his sire really is? I have heard of people having these kind of problems and they were able to straighten it out. Of course it could get costly. My advise would be to offer the people that bought the female pup from you some of their money back. That's about all you can do if they do not want to return their pup. I am not sure what AKC will do about the previous litters that male sired. They may send out notices to those that have registered their pups. You might want to call AKC and ask them for advise.
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07-23-2015, 12:43 PM | #4 | |
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My first suggestion is to call and speak with the AKC about this conditional registration. What it means - and when will it be resolved. Then you can also ask for advice particular to your situation - that you sold with full registration a female puppy - and what do they suggest you do in this situation? The owner of the sire has no idea? I can't imagine why if you got notified she did not. Where did the DNA sample come from then if not from her dog? Once you have your answers from AKC then you can make a better informed decision. I would also get AKC advice in writing...
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07-23-2015, 02:10 PM | #5 |
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| DNA test She was notified at the same time I was, and that is why we sent in the DNA test in the first place. She never was required to do one before, that frequent sire thing, I guess I was the lucky one, not. AKC said that it was somewhere up the line from her...I did not think to ask about earlier litters from the male as I was concerned about mine. I am going to offer to give back some of the purchase price, but it is a dilemma as to how much? I sold her for $1000, I want to be fair, but what a mess! They AKC say that after 3 generations the dogs can be AKC not conditional but that is very confusing, and makes me believe I should not breed them. |
07-23-2015, 03:13 PM | #6 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | So I am a pretty simple person. I would ask conditional upon what requirements being fulfilled by the stud and owner? In terms of the breeding bitch you sold - maybe offer to take the pup back if the owner wants once full disclosure by you is done - and then place her in a pet home... Offer the owner what ever you receive for this gal on pet placement.
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07-23-2015, 04:17 PM | #7 | |
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As for how much to give her back, that is up to you. Perhaps offer her half her money back. I think the lesson learned here is that it is best to not give breeding rights to people when you sell a pup. I always sell mine with limited AKC registration.
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07-23-2015, 08:37 PM | #8 |
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| I hear of more and more breeders doing the DNA/genetic tests on all dogs before even considering breeding. Many have told of surprises they have gotten and the dilemmas involved.
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07-23-2015, 08:39 PM | #9 |
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| Thank you all for your advice. The owners of the female don't want to give back their baby, they love her, and I can understand that so I'm sure we will work something out dollar wise, but this is a mess, and one that I think all breeders that do not have their own stud must be concerned with. Just viewing the AKC registration paperwork is not enough to ensure that paying a stud fee guarantee a problem free registration of litter. I had an unaltered male to begin with in our home and he lifted his leg on every backpack and soccer bag that came into the house, anything that came from another house with a pet was a target, along with shoes. That is when I started using stud boys and only had my females. I definitely will do more homework next time. Please keep any advise or comments coming as I have learned a lot from this and I am sure others have as well. You all take care and thanks! |
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