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Old 05-12-2015, 09:38 AM   #1
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Hello everyone!

I'm new to YorkieTalk and I'm excited to have found this forum.
I've owned Yorkies for about 7 years and through membership in the local kennel club and participation in putting their annual dog show together, I became interested in showing.
During the time I was there, they did not have anyone who could mentor me about Yorkies.
I reached out to the closest Yorkie club too, but the club itself is about an hour away and they don't have any mentors in my area- or actually, they seemed stand-offish about me asking about mentors.
Is there some unspoken rule I'm not aware of?

Is it possible to have a good long distance mentorship if I found someone interested who's not nearby?

I really want to do this the right way. Any thoughts or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
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I've talked with a few great breeders and I believe they are always looking for someone to mentor, but from their perspective, they have to know you are breeding for the right reasons. They want someone who really has high ethical standards and will never do anything, that could hurt the breed, such as breeding for a popular trait. They have to put a lot of time into training you and it's disappointing when they find someone who isn't willing to go all the way, in other words, show the dog before any breeding is done, or careful selective breeding when choosing a mate. Some newbie breeders believe any dog who has a championship would be suitable, but it takes knowledge of specific characteristics and whether those characteristic are dominant or recessive to evaluative the suitableness of a partner. Basically, you have to leave your ego behind and be willing to learn and help this person in her program. In other words, you would be like an unpaid apprentice, helping her, and learning everything you can in the meantime.

Beware of those breeders who say they will mentor you, but really only want to sell you a breeding dog, because for many unethical breeders that's what they mean by mentor. I wouldn't talk with anyone who didn't insist upon my showing the dog before I bred it. Personally, I think some are standoffish, because they have been burnt.
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Thank for your response.
I know it takes a lot and there is a lot to learn and this is why I've been holding off waiting to find someone who can properly help me learn. It goes against my grain to venture blindly into such a complex and important endeavor as is the betterment of a breed...but I need to find someone and with the experience of the breed club...I'm just not sure where else to go.
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Beware of those breeders who say they will mentor you, but really only want to sell you a breeding dog, because for many unethical breeders that's what they mean by mentor. I wouldn't talk with anyone who didn't insist upon my showing the dog before I bred it. Personally, I think some are standoffish, because they have been burnt.

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Thank for your response.
I know it takes a lot and there is a lot to learn and this is why I've been holding off waiting to find someone who can properly help me learn. It goes against my grain to venture blindly into such a complex and important endeavor as is the betterment of a breed...but I need to find someone and with the experience of the breed club...I'm just not sure where else to go.
I agree with you and going to shows and joining the breed club are first steps. Go slowly and get to know the women, and try to understand why they are so cautious. You want someone whose personality will mesh well with yours. Hopefully some of the breeders who show will post their replies.
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Hello everyone!

I'm new to YorkieTalk and I'm excited to have found this forum.
I've owned Yorkies for about 7 years and through membership in the local kennel club and participation in putting their annual dog show together, I became interested in showing.
During the time I was there, they did not have anyone who could mentor me about Yorkies.
I reached out to the closest Yorkie club too, but the club itself is about an hour away and they don't have any mentors in my area- or actually, they seemed stand-offish about me asking about mentors.
Is there some unspoken rule I'm not aware of?

Is it possible to have a good long distance mentorship if I found someone interested who's not nearby?

I really want to do this the right way. Any thoughts or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

No not an unspoken rule. But have you actually been at AKC shows to watch to learn - to talk with the breeders there?


Your local breed club - is still or should be a good source to go by. Even if they don't have Yorkie breeders - if they have any toy breeders that are showing in AKC you can develop relationships with them, go to shows with them - and get introduced to Yorkie breeders at the show.


You see you need to get known by these folks. An hour away for a Yorkie Club is not so bad - that is if you have a car to get there with. I have driven farther and much more frequently to do training. to take workshops, to see my breeders frequently.


Start saving your $$ to go to the nearest Yorkie Specialty. Go to www.ytca.org to see their up-coming specialties.


And in the meantime, study study study. Take workshops - especially go to workshops on breeding, structure, gaiting, showing and better still if there are workshops you can attend in person..
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Timeless yorkies There is a specialty coming up in August I believe. Not sure what the date is yet but it is held in Pennsylvania. When I find out the dates I will let you know. There will be alot of amazing helpful yorkie breeders there.
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No not an unspoken rule. But have you actually been at AKC shows to watch to learn - to talk with the breeders there?


Your local breed club - is still or should be a good source to go by. Even if they don't have Yorkie breeders - if they have any toy breeders that are showing in AKC you can develop relationships with them, go to shows with them - and get introduced to Yorkie breeders at the show.


You see you need to get known by these folks. An hour away for a Yorkie Club is not so bad - that is if you have a car to get there with. I have driven farther and much more frequently to do training. to take workshops, to see my breeders frequently.


Start saving your $$ to go to the nearest Yorkie Specialty. Go to www.ytca.org to see their up-coming specialties.


And in the meantime, study study study. Take workshops - especially go to workshops on breeding, structure, gaiting, showing and better still if there are workshops you can attend in person..
Thank you for your response!

I spent about 3 years trying to "get to know" the people at the Yorkie club. There seemed to be a lot of disagreement among the old members, especially with the person who sponsored me and with whom I would go to meetings, so, I felt pushed aside by association and it made it quite difficult to develop relationships with anyone. I did go to 1 of their specialty shows and helped with that one. I also attended other events they held and went with my sponsor to a few shows she was showing in.

A lot of other stuff was happening with the local breed club, but in that club there were actually personal attacks among members and people who had left the club trying to come back in to take over again and just a lot of stress and frustration. I did walk away from the local all-breed club. I'm not trying to make excuses for myself, but that's just not the kind of environment I like to be in when meetings end up in shouting matches and I certainly hope that's not representative of what the 'show world' will be. I know there are political issues in showing, but I certainly hope it doesn't come down to personal battles and people tearing each other apart.

I have been to several AKC shows throughout the years and I helped put together the show for the local cluster 2 years in a row, so it's not like I know absolutely nothing and haven't tried to learn anything, but I know there is much more to be learned and most of it would be best to come under the guidance of experienced people.

I'm certainly going to be attending more shows. I'm a little shy at first and I have a hard time just going up to someone who's prepping to go in the ring. What do you suggest is the best way to talk to breeders? I'm assuming I shouldn't open with the line- Hi, I'm looking for a mentor"

All joking aside, I do appreciate all the feedback I get and anything that would help the experience be better than what I've seen so far, will definitely be helpful.
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Timeless yorkies There is a specialty coming up in August I believe. Not sure what the date is yet but it is held in Pennsylvania. When I find out the dates I will let you know. There will be alot of amazing helpful yorkie breeders there.
Awesome! Thank you!
I'll be looking for info too!
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No not an unspoken rule. But have you actually been at AKC shows to watch to learn - to talk with the breeders there?


Your local breed club - is still or should be a good source to go by. Even if they don't have Yorkie breeders - if they have any toy breeders that are showing in AKC you can develop relationships with them, go to shows with them - and get introduced to Yorkie breeders at the show.


You see you need to get known by these folks. An hour away for a Yorkie Club is not so bad - that is if you have a car to get there with. I have driven farther and much more frequently to do training. to take workshops, to see my breeders frequently.


Start saving your $$ to go to the nearest Yorkie Specialty. Go to www.ytca.org to see their up-coming specialties.


And in the meantime, study study study. Take workshops - especially go to workshops on breeding, structure, gaiting, showing and better still if there are workshops you can attend in person..
Forgot to ask...any suggestions on where to go for information on workshops? I didn't really see anything on AKC website and I'm always cautious of Google results.

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You can start here Breeder Education - American Kennel Club


Also most specialties arrange for a speaker / workshop as part of the specialty


Now to the politics of a breed club. I am so sorry you experienced such frictions and very unpleasant atmosphere. You have done many of the things that I would and have done.
It is difficult to know ahead of time who is whom and which breeder may be a club outlier. And then when we get involved for example with standard changes - passions run very high. Factions form.


We recently went through some unpleasantness with our breed club a year ago - and in fact 2/3 of the board resigned over these difficulties. The healing is going to take time!


And I can tell you it is not always like that - but again many clubs which after all - are all run with volunteers there are almost at some point in time hot times.
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Breeding Better Dogs | About Carmen Battaglia Dr Carmen Bataglia - well respected


Dr Jean Dodds - especially on thyroiditis - www.hemopet.com


Books An eye for a dog - an oldie but goodie


Dogsteps the video is free on you tube Excellent learning tool for structure and movement.


Building the canine athlete Dr Chris Zinc might be in video form as well
ABOUT*|*VOSM Excellent instructor and lecturer!


Webinars a great ways to learn as well - and in the privacy of your own home too!


For large shows and those with Specialties you can look up the premium list and see what clubs are running what lectures and attend as a guest (usually)
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Also most specialties arrange for a speaker / workshop as part of the specialty


Now to the politics of a breed club. I am so sorry you experienced such frictions and very unpleasant atmosphere. You have done many of the things that I would and have done.
It is difficult to know ahead of time who is whom and which breeder may be a club outlier. And then when we get involved for example with standard changes - passions run very high. Factions form.


We recently went through some unpleasantness with our breed club a year ago - and in fact 2/3 of the board resigned over these difficulties. The healing is going to take time!


And I can tell you it is not always like that - but again many clubs which after all - are all run with volunteers there are almost at some point in time hot times.
Thank you! It's good to know and somewhat reassuring that it won't/shouldn't be like that all the time. Hopefully it was only a phase that lasted quite a while. I really don't like confrontations, even if I'm not directly involved, it's just too unpleasant for me...and that is why I like dogs so much better than many humans
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Breeding Better Dogs | About Carmen Battaglia Dr Carmen Bataglia - well respected


Dr Jean Dodds - especially on thyroiditis - www.hemopet.com


Books An eye for a dog - an oldie but goodie


Dogsteps the video is free on you tube Excellent learning tool for structure and movement.


Building the canine athlete Dr Chris Zinc might be in video form as well
ABOUT*|*VOSM Excellent instructor and lecturer!


Webinars a great ways to learn as well - and in the privacy of your own home too!


For large shows and those with Specialties you can look up the premium list and see what clubs are running what lectures and attend as a guest (usually)
Awesome information! Thank you!
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