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bigdog · 01-12-2006, 11:48 AM

My Sugar doesen't stay with her pups. She is on her third litter and when they get 4 weeks old she hardly ever gets into the box. They seem to be healthy and she does stay with them a little more at night. I keep them beside my bed. My other yorkie Princess stayed with her babies till they where weaned.Sugar has two beautiful little girls and I sure would hate it if they wasn't getting enough care from her. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. I did have to clean one of the little girls buts this morning. She doesen't seem to be taking care of that anymore either. Having to change their bed daily.

cindy0721 · 01-12-2006, 11:52 AM

ditto, my cocker spaniel had 6 and the mom seems not to be that interested in them anymore????? She only wants to feed MAYBE once aday.... I give them puppy milk with dry kibble and also canned food to get them used to it, they are 4 weeks old today..... I would also be interested in some info like is it bad if they are completely weaned off at 4 weeks thet eat the canned food and mixes I make them fine , they don't have teeth yet though?????

yorkiemom1970 · 01-12-2006, 12:32 PM

This sounds like one of my girls. When 4 weeks hits...she is tired of them! (2 litters under her belt has proven this to me, hee hee) I would suggest in-closing her in a small ex-pen with them for nursing. That's what i've had to do. Some moms are great in the beginning then they just tire of them really fast. It doesnt mean they are a bad mommy, I'm not really sure what it means...

But I have been in your shoes and putting them in a small area with her at different times of the day is a good way to ensure they get to nurse. Have you ever noticed when pups get around the 4 wk. point they will actually stand under mom and nurse? If she is in-closed with them, she doesnt have much of a choice other than to let them...Hope this helps. If not, maybe there is someone else who has a different outlook/idea. best wishes,

DevineMissM · 01-12-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

My Sugar doesen't stay with her pups. She is on her third litter and when they get 4 weeks old she hardly ever gets into the box. They seem to be healthy and she does stay with them a little more at night. I keep them beside my bed. My other yorkie Princess stayed with her babies till they where weaned.Sugar has two beautiful little girls and I sure would hate it if they wasn't getting enough care from her. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. I did have to clean one of the little girls buts this morning. She doesen't seem to be taking care of that anymore either. Having to change their bed daily.

I find this depends on the bitch. I have seen all types. I have one bitch who will CARRY her pups and place in my lap on the sofa....so she can resume her position in bed with her human daddy...between 4 and 5 weeks she is DONE. She literally gives them to me to finish feeding and clean butts! She will also throw up partly digested food to feed the pups...in order to divert their attention away from nursing and get them to EAT. She doesn't get mom of the year award! But she does her job as she sees fit.

Another Yorkie gal just recently completed her duty....she slept with her baby for 4 1/2 months...she demanded to sleep with him up until the day he left. Literally threw barking fits to get into his pen...there was no peace.

And another gal. Well she doesn't want to sleep with them past 6 or 7 weeks...but she nurses and cleans their butts for MONTHS. LOL My tiny female was highly insulted that mom was still flipping her over at one year of age...to clean her tush and butt! LOL
They are all different.

cindy0721 · 01-12-2006, 12:47 PM

yes, my cocker spaniel pups literally stand under her and walk with her while nursing, but she DOES not want to be with them, I enclosed them in the bathroom so they can keep warm and she can nurse without any distractions but she just cries and cries wanting out! I don't know if it is okay to COMPLETLY wean them off of her at 4 weeks any ideas?

DevineMissM · 01-12-2006, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom1970

Some moms are great in the beginning then they just tire of them really fast. It doesnt mean they are a bad mommy, I'm not really sure what it means...

I think it is because they are spoiled rotten prima donnas and want to resume their previous spoiled rotten life. LOL At least that the way I interpet my bitches behavior! She is crazy in love with her human daddy

DevineMissM · 01-12-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cindy0721

yes, my cocker spaniel pups literally stand under her and walk with her while nursing, but she DOES not want to be with them, I enclosed them in the bathroom so they can keep warm and she can nurse without any distractions but she just cries and cries wanting out! I don't know if it is okay to COMPLETLY wean them off of her at 4 weeks any ideas?

LOL yep I know all about this situation. I would offer the puppies food several times a day. The more you can get them to eat...the less they will tug on mom. Also check their toe nails...and keep them clipped short. check their teeth...if they have those needle like baby teeth...forget it mom is not going to allow them to continue to nurse....offer the puppies lots of meals. Usually when you can wean the puppies completely mom LOVES playing with them and teaching them manners.

yorkiemom1970 · 01-12-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cindy0721

yes, my cocker spaniel pups literally stand under her and walk with her while nursing, but she DOES not want to be with them, I enclosed them in the bathroom so they can keep warm and she can nurse without any distractions but she just cries and cries wanting out! I don't know if it is okay to COMPLETLY wean them off of her at 4 weeks any ideas?

I don't completely wean at 4 wks. But if mom is refusing...then you don't have much of a choice. I'd put some milk replacer or goat milk (diluted) in with their puppy mush if you have to wean early. I have some 5 wk old babies who are eating dry kibble, puppy mush, and still nurse about twice a day. I'll wean them off completely next week...(i hope)

yorkiemom1970 · 01-12-2006, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DevineMissM

I think it is because they are spoiled rotten prima donnas and want to resume their previous spoiled rotten life. LOL At least that the way I interpet my bitches behavior! She is crazy in love with her human daddy

Yep! that's it.

cindy0721 · 01-12-2006, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DevineMissM

LOL yep I know all about this situation. I would offer the puppies food several times a day. The more you can get them to eat...the less they will tug on mom. Also check their toe nails...and keep them clipped short. check their teeth...if they have those needle like baby teeth...forget it mom is not going to allow them to continue to nurse....offer the puppies lots of meals. Usually when you can wean the puppies completely mom LOVES playing with them and teaching them manners.

So you are saying it is okay for them to be weaned off at 4 weeks? I mean if mom won't feed?????? What does the toe nails have to do with it, i think I know but I better ask just in case?

DevineMissM · 01-12-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cindy0721

So you are saying it is okay for them to be weaned off at 4 weeks? I mean if mom won't feed?????? What does the toe nails have to do with it, i think I know but I better ask just in case?

NO I am not saying to wean them completely. Sorry I was not clear. Make a gruel of goat or canned milk mixed with kibble. Feed them several times a day. The more you can get the pups to eat....the less they will demand mom nurse them. Sharp toenails hurt moms boobs. I have had bitches refuse to nurse at all because of the sharp toenails. You must pay attention to what mom wants and offer her assistance by feeding the puppies to lessen their demand on her. She will wean the wee ones when she is ready. But do not make her stay with them 24/7...she's getting tired of the tugging and nipping while trying to gain access to the boob. LOL

cindy0721 · 01-12-2006, 01:18 PM

got it , thanks this advice was great!

yorkiemom1970 · 01-12-2006, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DevineMissM

NO I am not saying to wean them completely. Sorry I was not clear. Make a gruel of goat or canned milk mixed with kibble. Feed them several times a day. The more you can get the pups to eat....the less they will demand mom nurse them. Sharp toenails hurt moms boobs. I have had bitches refuse to nurse at all because of the sharp toenails. You must pay attention to what mom wants and offer her assistance by feeding the puppies to lessen their demand on her. She will wean the wee ones when she is ready. But do not make her stay with them 24/7...she's getting tired of the tugging and nipping while trying to gain access to the boob. LOL

That's GREAT info concerning the sharp nails and I have experienced that but never thought to post it! Thanks for bringing that up.

DevineMissM · 01-12-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cindy0721

got it , thanks this advice was great!

Oh and cindy0721...I forgot when the puppies get nasty from walking and slopping in the gruel...be sure to let mom clean them up. Mom's are very happy to clean the remains of the puppy food...and keep the puppy area tidy. LOL

DevineMissM · 01-12-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom1970

That's GREAT info concerning the sharp nails and I have experienced that but never thought to post it! Thanks for bringing that up.

Yep sometimes I do forget but I try to trim nails once a week starting at a week old. those darn toenails are like needles....poor mom

01-12-2006, 11:48 AM	#1
bigdog YT Addict Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 340	Is this normal? My Sugar doesen't stay with her pups. She is on her third litter and when they get 4 weeks old she hardly ever gets into the box. They seem to be healthy and she does stay with them a little more at night. I keep them beside my bed. My other yorkie Princess stayed with her babies till they where weaned.Sugar has two beautiful little girls and I sure would hate it if they wasn't getting enough care from her. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. I did have to clean one of the little girls buts this morning. She doesen't seem to be taking care of that anymore either. Having to change their bed daily.

01-12-2006, 11:52 AM	#2
cindy0721 Always In My Heart Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Lone Star State Posts: 3,392	ditto, my cocker spaniel had 6 and the mom seems not to be that interested in them anymore????? She only wants to feed MAYBE once aday.... I give them puppy milk with dry kibble and also canned food to get them used to it, they are 4 weeks old today..... I would also be interested in some info like is it bad if they are completely weaned off at 4 weeks thet eat the canned food and mixes I make them fine , they don't have teeth yet though????? __________________ Cindy & Gizmo Gizmo on Dogster *Rest in peace My Madda* *very much*

01-12-2006, 12:47 PM	#5
cindy0721 Always In My Heart Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Lone Star State Posts: 3,392	yes, my cocker spaniel pups literally stand under her and walk with her while nursing, but she DOES not want to be with them, I enclosed them in the bathroom so they can keep warm and she can nurse without any distractions but she just cries and cries wanting out! I don't know if it is okay to COMPLETLY wean them off of her at 4 weeks any ideas? __________________ Cindy & Gizmo Gizmo on Dogster *Rest in peace My Madda* *very much*

01-12-2006, 01:18 PM	#12
cindy0721 Always In My Heart Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Lone Star State Posts: 3,392	got it , thanks this advice was great! __________________ Cindy & Gizmo Gizmo on Dogster *Rest in peace My Madda* *very much*

01-12-2006, 12:32 PM	#3
yorkiemom1970 No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,947	This sounds like one of my girls. When 4 weeks hits...she is tired of them! (2 litters under her belt has proven this to me, hee hee) I would suggest in-closing her in a small ex-pen with them for nursing. That's what i've had to do. Some moms are great in the beginning then they just tire of them really fast. It doesnt mean they are a bad mommy, I'm not really sure what it means... But I have been in your shoes and putting them in a small area with her at different times of the day is a good way to ensure they get to nurse. Have you ever noticed when pups get around the 4 wk. point they will actually stand under mom and nurse? If she is in-closed with them, she doesnt have much of a choice other than to let them...Hope this helps. If not, maybe there is someone else who has a different outlook/idea. best wishes,