How Risky is Breeding to the Female? - YorkieTalk.com Forums

SoCalyorkiLvr · 01-12-2006, 10:50 AM

The Breeder Costs thread was sort of going off topic on a discussion about the risk of breeding to the female dog so I decided it was best to start a new thread on the topic.

For as long as I have owned yorkies and belonged to forums the breeders I have talked to have always discouraged others from breeding and the main thing that rings in my head and that I have heard and read over and over again is......

Are you willing to risk the life of your female pet?

I have also read and heard that for some reason yorkies have an inordinately high mortality rate for dams than other breeds. These dams have a difficult time more often then not whelping. This is regardless of weight as I understand although some will argue it has to do with the "frame" of the dog more than the weight of the dog.

Is this true?

We have certainly had enough "real life" episodes here on YT to make me believe this but I wondered if there are studies or any other actual scientific data to support this or is it just from "experience" that you say this?

Or is this just a scare tactic to make those maybe interested in breeding really think hard about whether they want to do his or not? Is it the same mortality rate as for American women for example? What do the yorkie breeding books say in this topic?

Thanks for your responses.

PlatinumYorkies · 01-12-2006, 10:58 AM

I can't answer your Question's, because I am not a breeder...I can't even pretend to know what breeding a bitch is like! I am so proud to say if it weren't for breeder's breeding their Bitches, no one, including me WOULD GET A YORKIE!! So, I thank GOD for Reputable Breeder's!!!

BamaFan121s · 01-12-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Okay...that's two of you that know the answer. Can you fill me too so I can go read it. Thanks.

Sorry, I really don't know the answer as to why this has been brought up again.

yorkiemom1970 · 01-12-2006, 11:08 AM

I'll answer plain and simple....Yes it's risky. No matter who you are, how healthy your bitch is, or how much you think you know. It's always risky. Do I speak for everyone?

fl24019 · 01-12-2006, 11:08 AM

The only article I was able to find was a study of neonatal mortality after a c-section. It mentioned that dam mortality under these circumstances was 1%. I am curious about this myself, since after reading many of the stories here, it would seem a much bigger risk than that. (http://www.spinone.com/AKC_CHF99/10N...tyCesarean.htm)

Gonna keep looking.

nifer · 01-12-2006, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Okay...that's two of you that know the answer. Can you fill me too so I can go read it. Thanks.

i'd be interested in knowing as well.

BamaFan121s · 01-12-2006, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom1970

I'll answer plain and simple....Yes it's risky. No matter who you are, how healthy your bitch is, or how much you think you know. It's always risky. Do I speak for everyone?

You speak for me, sums it up pretty much.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 01-12-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Sorry, I really don't know the answer as to why this has been brought up again.

Let me try again.....

We have HEARD that the risk is GREAT to the female.

I am asking and a lot of people want to know...

just how risky is it? .....Riskier than other breeds? .....The riskiest of all breeds? ......Of 100 yorkies bred how many die as a result, etc?Any emperical studies to show the risk?

I would think this would a good question to find the answer to before even contemplating breeding.

Thank you fl24010 for looking for the answer. I appreciate the help.

Jaspermom · 01-12-2006, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Let me try again.....

We have HEARD that the risk is GREAT to the female.

I am asking and a lot of people want to know...

just how risky is it? .....Riskier than other breeds? .....The riskiest of all breeds? ......Of 100 yorkies bred how many die as a result, etc?Any emperical studies to show the risk?

I would think this would a good question to find the answer to before even contemplating breeding.

Thank you fl24010 for looking for the answer. I appreciate the help.

If there is someone who has some data, I would be interested in the answer as well. You do see a lot of "Don't risk it", but I agree with a previous poster: if EVERYONE heeded that, I would not have Wosie!

So are there some statistics out there someone can show us? It's a perfectly good question!

SoCalyorkiLvr · 01-12-2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom1970

I'll answer plain and simple....Yes it's risky. No matter who you are, how healthy your bitch is, or how much you think you know. It's always risky. Do I speak for everyone?

Robbie~

I appreciate this reply.....honestly I do, and I know that this is an especially senstive subject for you and I want to honor that....

but I just think we need to know before we or anyone can even decide whether the "risk" is worth it.

I mean it is logical that if you do not "know what the actual risk is" there is no way to decide if the benefits outweigh the risks for a particular person.

For example, if the risk is no greater than for the average American woman then I would think that degree of risk is acceptable to most, but if is it is 50% then I would say that is not acceptable to many.

If nothing else, it would be additional "fuel' so to speak to give to newbies who are inquiring about breeding and we want to encourage them to leave the breeding to those who know what they are doing. For example, if you could tell someone asking about the possibility of breeding her fmale that the mortality rate is one out of every two, I think they would decide right then and there not to do it.

nifer · 01-12-2006, 11:26 AM

obviously, we all know it's risky, but all that has been offered to support that notion is hearsay and conjecture backed by little to no data on the subject. knowing the actual rates would benefit us all, breeder or not, i believe.

BamaFan121s · 01-12-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

If nothing else, it would be additional "fuel' so to speak to give to newbies who are inquiring about breeding and we want to encourage them to leave the breeding to those who know what they are doing. For example, if you could tell someone asking about the possibility of breeding her fmale that the mortality rate is one out of every two, I think they would decide right then and there not to do it.

Yes, it is important to encourage them to research first, obviously. But what place do you, or anyone else here for that matter, have when it comes to making or even encouraging this decision on behalf of others. Anyone here has the right to pursue breeding if that is what they desire to do. Why would you tell them to leave it to those who "know what they are doing." Viewing myself as a "newbie" to breeding, I find this very insulting and can consider you are directing this at me as well. Point blank, it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Congratulations, you have made your decision not to breed(?), why not leave it at that?

SoCalyorkiLvr · 01-12-2006, 11:31 AM

Thank you to those of you who appreciate the topic and want to know the answer as well. I am sure with the wealth of knowledge and experiense on thie board, we will learn a lot here on this topic and we will all benefit.

I would just kindly and respectfully ask all of you who do not feel they wish to help with the topic and question as espoused to refrain from posting. This thread is already on the second page and the majority of the posts were off topic.

Thank you for your cooperation.

red98vett · 01-12-2006, 11:31 AM

I have a sugesstion - why not ask that vet of yours ? or the Reproductive Specialist ? I thought you knew all sorts of breeders ? Perhaps they can give you the figures that will answer the questions in your Quest ?

No offense on the off topic post I did earlier - but I do see MANY posts by you that will veer off also in different directions too - It just happens....sometimes it's good for a thread - sometimes not...but for the most part - people do try to stay on topic.

vainchick5 · 01-12-2006, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by red98vett

I have a sugesstion - why not ask that vet of yours ? or the Reproductive Specialist ? I thought you knew all sorts of breeders ? Perhaps they can give you the figures that will answer the questions in your Quest ?

01-12-2006, 10:50 AM	#1
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	How Risky is Breeding to the Female? The Breeder Costs thread was sort of going off topic on a discussion about the risk of breeding to the female dog so I decided it was best to start a new thread on the topic. For as long as I have owned yorkies and belonged to forums the breeders I have talked to have always discouraged others from breeding and the main thing that rings in my head and that I have heard and read over and over again is...... Are you willing to risk the life of your female pet? I have also read and heard that for some reason yorkies have an inordinately high mortality rate for dams than other breeds. These dams have a difficult time more often then not whelping. This is regardless of weight as I understand although some will argue it has to do with the "frame" of the dog more than the weight of the dog. Is this true? We have certainly had enough "real life" episodes here on YT to make me believe this but I wondered if there are studies or any other actual scientific data to support this or is it just from "experience" that you say this? Or is this just a scare tactic to make those maybe interested in breeding really think hard about whether they want to do his or not? Is it the same mortality rate as for American women for example? What do the yorkie breeding books say in this topic? Thanks for your responses.

01-12-2006, 10:58 AM	#2
PlatinumYorkies Monte, Mone't's Joy! Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MD Posts: 3,013	I can't answer your Question's, because I am not a breeder...I can't even pretend to know what breeding a bitch is like! I am so proud to say if it weren't for breeder's breeding their Bitches, no one, including me WOULD GET A YORKIE!! So, I thank GOD for Reputable Breeder's!!! __________________ "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."!! **Mone't Mom 2 Monte**

01-12-2006, 11:31 AM	#14
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 30,421	I have a sugesstion - why not ask that vet of yours ? or the Reproductive Specialist ? I thought you knew all sorts of breeders ? Perhaps they can give you the figures that will answer the questions in your Quest ? No offense on the off topic post I did earlier - but I do see MANY posts by you that will veer off also in different directions too - It just happens....sometimes it's good for a thread - sometimes not...but for the most part - people do try to stay on topic. __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri.. AKA Spy-Girls (photos here) Click for LABELS Click for CARDS * SAY NO to PET STORES ! www.designsbyvillette.com USING YOUR PHOTOS ! Last edited by red98vett; 01-12-2006 at 11:33 AM.

01-12-2006, 11:08 AM	#4
yorkiemom1970 No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,947	I'll answer plain and simple....Yes it's risky. No matter who you are, how healthy your bitch is, or how much you think you know. It's always risky. Do I speak for everyone?

01-12-2006, 11:08 AM	#5
fl24019 BANNED! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Creola, Alabama Posts: 86	The only article I was able to find was a study of neonatal mortality after a c-section. It mentioned that dam mortality under these circumstances was 1%. I am curious about this myself, since after reading many of the stories here, it would seem a much bigger risk than that. (http://www.spinone.com/AKC_CHF99/10N...tyCesarean.htm) Gonna keep looking.

01-12-2006, 11:26 AM	#11
nifer YT Addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 255	obviously, we all know it's risky, but all that has been offered to support that notion is hearsay and conjecture backed by little to no data on the subject. knowing the actual rates would benefit us all, breeder or not, i believe.