Vaccinations- DIY or Vet?

[PamperedYorkies]

Good morning everyone!

As these little ones keep developing (in spite of their smaller size), I know soon we'll be looking at first set of vaccines. They're doing great using the pee pads and trying to get into mom's food and also nibbling on their own.

I was hoping to get some input…do you typically do it yourself or take the pups to the vet?


Thanks

[Yorkiesrtoocute]

Originally Posted by PamperedYorkies

Good morning everyone!

As these little ones keep developing (in spite of their smaller size), I know soon we'll be looking at first set of vaccines. They're doing great using the pee pads and trying to get into mom's food and also nibbling on their own.

I was hoping to get some input…do you typically do it yourself or take the pups to the vet?


Thanks

If you are going to be selling them then you must take them to a licensed vet and get the full health exam with the health certificate. That includes shots and a fecal test + deworming. It is recommended at 12 weeks of age, earlier will interfere with the immunity they aquired thru mothers milk. When you sell them the health certificate must be 30 days from the day you took to the vet. Later than 30 days you need a new one. Regardless puppy's get 3 set of shots 30 days apart, so you have to take them to the vet at 12wks, 16 wks, 20 wks then at a year old. The rabies is best to give at 6 months old. I do my dogs shots at home myself but I'm not selling them. I buy them at tractor supply. I do the deworming myself and the vet does the rabies, and heartworm test as required by the state of Florida. So it all comes down to are you selling them or keeping them.

[PamperedYorkies]

Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute

If you are going to be selling them then you must take them to a licensed vet and get the full health exam with the health certificate. That includes shots and a fecal test + deworming. It is recommended at 12 weeks of age, earlier will interfere with the immunity they aquired thru mothers milk. When you sell them the health certificate must be 30 days from the day you took to the vet. Later than 30 days you need a new one. Regardless puppy's get 3 set of shots 30 days apart, so you have to take them to the vet at 12wks, 16 wks, 20 wks then at a year old. The rabies is best to give at 6 months old. I do my dogs shots at home myself but I'm not selling them. I buy them at tractor supply. I do the deworming myself and the vet does the rabies, and heartworm test as required by the state of Florida. So it all comes down to are you selling them or keeping them.

Thanks. I haven't decided. I want to see how they turn out before making that decision, so I'll have to play it safe.

[McheleM]

You can have them vet checked and get the certificate, and do the shots and wormer yourself if you're comfortable with it.

I couldn't find a vet who would do just parvo and distemper. They all wanted to do 5 or 6 shots in one and I am just not comfortable with that.
I am following Dr Dodds vaccine schedule but I started a little earlier because pups did not get moms milk for 2 days and we had parvo in our home 2 1/2 years ago.

I don't believe in giving puppies too many vaccines, and since my dogs aren't around other animals, I don't believe they need bordatella, nor do I believe lepto should be given before 12 weeks.

It's a personal choice. I chose to do my vaccines myself, because 1 know exactly what each dog is getting and 2 of my 4 are being sold. Both the new owners understand my reasoning for vaccinating the way I did, and both are on board with it.

[chachi]

As a pet owner is not right for the breeder to do the shots. Vets wont always accept breeder given shots and make the new puppy retake the shots this happened to me

[PamperedYorkies]

Originally Posted by McheleM

You can have them vet checked and get the certificate, and do the shots and wormer yourself if you're comfortable with it.

I couldn't find a vet who would do just parvo and distemper. They all wanted to do 5 or 6 shots in one and I am just not comfortable with that.
I am following Dr Dodds vaccine schedule but I started a little earlier because pups did not get moms milk for 2 days and we had parvo in our home 2 1/2 years ago.

I don't believe in giving puppies too many vaccines, and since my dogs aren't around other animals, I don't believe they need bordatella, nor do I believe lepto should be given before 12 weeks.

It's a personal choice. I chose to do my vaccines myself, because 1 know exactly what each dog is getting and 2 of my 4 are being sold. Both the new owners understand my reasoning for vaccinating the way I did, and both are on board with it.

I'm familiar with Dr. Dodd's recommendations. I love the common sense approach of her guidelines.


Will a vet provide a health and vaccine certification for vaccines administered by the breeder?

[PamperedYorkies]

Originally Posted by chachi

As a pet owner is not right for the breeder to do the shots. Vets wont always accept breeder given shots and make the new puppy retake the shots this happened to me

I'm sorry to hear that your pup had to retake shots. It's truly a shame because vets are not always in tune with the most appropriate breed-specific courses of action, whereas the breeders who dedicate to learning the breed do.


I don't think breeders get all the credit they deserve and I'm not saying this because I'm breeding, I think this is true in many areas. For example, in my professional field, many years ago people who practiced the discipline could get licensed even without a degree. The licensing board felt that their experience in the field was just as valuable, if not more, than the mere textbook knowledge you can get in school. Over the years they did away with that and now only degreed people can get licensed. The only thing this controls is that everyone spends the money in education (myself included), only to come out of school and not be truly productive for years because you still need to obtain field experience.


I guess what I'm getting at is, book knowledge is good, but it won't get you anywhere without practice and depending on the vet where you go, they may not have practice in the specific issue our fur baby needs. It's not unheard of that breeders and owners alike have had to make vets aware of breed-specific needs so that our babies get the best possible care. After all, we are their advocates and it falls on us to make sure they get what they need, no more, no less.


The tricky part is finding vets that are willing to listen to you and work with you without being dismissive or pressuring you to do it their way. That's going to be my biggest challenge too, so I have to start making some phone calls and vetting out the vets (no pun intended).


Can vets force you to give vaccines that are not required by law?

[Yorkiesrtoocute]

Originally Posted by PamperedYorkies

I'm familiar with Dr. Dodd's recommendations. I love the common sense approach of her guidelines.


Will a vet provide a health and vaccine certification for vaccines administered by the breeder?

My vet here will not issue a health certificate if the breeder administer the shots. He does not charge for the health certificate , he charges for the shots, deworming, fecal test. The health certificate proves that they are all vaccinated and healthy, which he must do him self.

[Yorkiesrtoocute]

Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute

My vet here will not issue a health certificate if the breeder administer the shots. He does not charge for the health certificate , he charges for the shots, deworming, fecal test. The health certificate proves that they are all vaccinated and healthy, which he must do him self.

I know the state of Florida requires a health certificate when you sell a pup. Maybe pa dosent require it and you can do vacines yourself.

[Yorkiesrtoocute]

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Dogs can be our dearest friends. That?s why the unwitting purchase of an unhealthy pet can be so devastating. In an effort to ensure that consumers buying a dog in Pennsylvania*know their new pet has a clean bill of health, Pennsylvania?s dog sellers and breeders must now post a visible notice that informs consumers of their rights under the state?s Dog Purchaser Protection Act, also known as the ?Puppy Lemon Law?.* Sellers and breeders must also provide a written copy of the consumer?s rights at the time of the sale.

A seller shall provide you with a health record for the dog at the time of sale. The health record must contain information as required by the Law.
The seller shall provide a health certificate issued by a veterinarian within 21 days prior to the date of sale OR a guarantee of good health issued and signed by the seller. The health certificate and the guarantee of good health must contain information as required by the Law.
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[PamperedYorkies]

Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute

I know the state of Florida requires a health certificate when you sell a pup. Maybe pa dosent require it and you can do vacines yourself.

Yes, PA gives an option of a health certificate or a health guarantee. Or used to. I have to go back and check whether it has changed since they were recently tweaking dog laws here.

[ColesMommy01]

I would choose vet given if I was a new owner. It's a legitimate record and while I would trust my breeder I don't know any vets that accept breeder given vacs. They start the vaccination protocol all over again in that case.

[Yorkiemom1]

My new owners have established a relationship with me and I have also contacted the vet they have indicated they will be using....I let them know that I am a breeder and I do give my own vaccinations and provide the new buyer with a health certificate issued by my vet at the time the owner picks their puppy up...they also have a vaccination record that I provide with each puppy, that indicates the required information on the vaccination I have given the puppy. If the vet after we speak, refuses to accept the vaccinations that I have given the puppy, I do contact the new owner and share that information with them. The new owner can change vets or can just refuse to have the vaccinations repeated in the puppy. I have not had any issues with vaccinations, or vets refusing to accept the vaccination record or shots that I have given the babies.....In my conversation with the vet, some have suggested the necessity of adding the Lepto which was prevalent in the area the baby was going to, and the pups were covered with Benadryl injection prior to the Lepto shot....
I have never encountered any vet or doctor that would not sit and discuss options with me, no have they gotten angry with me with questions or suggestions or with me even refusing to go with an option they suggest or want to doi....all I have ever said is, " I dont feel comfortable doing that....I have done my research and I dont want to do that."

[Yorkiemom1]

I do want to add make absolutely sure the place you buy your vaccines from does not allow the vaccines to become warm....I do not buy my vaccines from feed stores....

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

My new owners have established a relationship with me and I have also contacted the vet they have indicated they will be using....I let them know that I am a breeder and I do give my own vaccinations and provide the new buyer with a health certificate issued by my vet at the time the owner picks their puppy up...they also have a vaccination record that I provide with each puppy, that indicates the required information on the vaccination I have given the puppy. If the vet after we speak, refuses to accept the vaccinations that I have given the puppy, I do contact the new owner and share that information with them. The new owner can change vets or can just refuse to have the vaccinations repeated in the puppy. I have not had any issues with vaccinations, or vets refusing to accept the vaccination record or shots that I have given the babies.....In my conversation with the vet, some have suggested the necessity of adding the Lepto which was prevalent in the area the baby was going to, and the pups were covered with Benadryl injection prior to the Lepto shot....
I have never encountered any vet or doctor that would not sit and discuss options with me, no have they gotten angry with me with questions or suggestions or with me even refusing to go with an option they suggest or want to doi....all I have ever said is, " I dont feel comfortable doing that....I have done my research and I dont want to do that."

Yes but alot of vets just dont want to put the trust in the the breeder administered the shots correctly. I dont blame them its there name and reputation on the line