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08-20-2013, 06:47 AM | #1 |
YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: belfast, northern ireland
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| continue or not... no real point to this thread really, suppose i'm just having a bit of a moan! i haven't been on here for a fair while, but missed it so i'm back! but, from all I've learned about the breed from your lovely selves (and many breeders/exhibitors who don't seem to be around anymore ) i'm not sure if I can keep breeding or not. my pups have all been beautifully breed standard, with excellent knees and to date all have clear eyes... but there are NO health tested studs in the country! not even a single male with a clear eye cert- I've spoken to the only ophthalmologist in the Provence and he hasn't tested one yorkie. i had been phoning up to ask about dna testing for pra, and was pretty much told that there is no point as i have no way of knowing what the males status is on top of that, there is only a small handful of exhibitors here as well, and none of them test (the breed clubs i've spoken to see no need for it) and honestly, i'm not sure if breeding a breed that Can have so many problems but are not tested in this country is something i want to do. i love raising yorkies, and me not breeding them won't make them be tested, it will just mean that *I* am not breeding them to the best of *my* ability. i suppose at least i know that i can accurately manipulate knees to check for LP myself rather than taking their word for it that they've had a vet check, i suppose at least i know how to spot the beginnings of a cataract or visible eye abnormality which may not be 100% noticeable... but what if one of my pups develops PRA and i know that there is a test that Could of prevented it if only the tests were utilized here. poppet is coming 3 in January and still an un-spayed maiden- i'd wanted to breed her to begin showing (her only major fault being she is over sized), or to breed kuki again to attempt to get a slightly smaller poppet- but she is coming 5 in October... clock is ticking and i don't know what to do for the best. sigh.
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08-20-2013, 07:52 AM | #2 |
Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southeast Texas
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| I don't know many breeders here in the U.S. that do all the tests that some people say they should. In fact many of the tests were not even available years ago. Breeders have always been able to breed beautiful healthy yorkies without spending a lot of money on testing. If you know your lines and if you know another breeder you can trust to be honest about what problems they have seen in their lines then I see no reason you cannot find a suitable male for your female. I think no matter how much you test there is always the possibility of things popping up. Best of luck to you.
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08-24-2013, 04:29 PM | #3 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | To BelleMarie It is so fine to see you on again, and what a heartfelt postyours is! I do so wish more breeders were like you. I do have a couple of ideas, what if you were to develop a very close relationship with a breeder of the line you like, and offer to payfor the DNA testing for PRA gene, and you would still need to get an opthamologist to do the cataract examination. This way the sire can be tested at your expense, seems to me like no harm done, no foul so to speak. Also if you have not done BATS on your gals, consider doingso, because you don’t want to breed dogs together with mild MVD, you could payfor the BAT on the sire too. If you can’t find a breeder as passionate as you are with the health of our beautifull breed you might need to go further afield. There is afterall in this day and age AI. I would be willing to help out as I can. We can discuss via PM. In terms of over-sized gals. Exactly how much oversized? I am assuming the younger gal, birthed pups around her weight range? Do you know if the sire’s line also produced over-sized Yorkies? Baring size is the coat correct? Silky luxurious, properly colored? Shading of the tan points in the correctplaces? Bite very good, with healthystrong teeth? I have a feeling your gals have great temperaments, but ifnot, how far off the correct temperament for the Yorkie? And in which direction? For example, too timid, too excitable,nervous, or over confident, reckless,aggressive to either humans or dogs? And it is very true what BJH said many of our tests have only been around a relatively short while, it will take some time for breedersto get on board. I think it took about 15 to 20 yrs for OFFA here in North America to get a whole lot of breeders onboard doing HD/ED evaluations.
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08-25-2013, 03:00 PM | #4 |
YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: belfast, northern ireland
Posts: 520
| it's my 9lber i'm talking about again! kuki http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...s/1682e8ca.jpg kuki n poppet 5161e59d.jpg Photo by kodakkuki | Photobucket poppet http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...4EA792224B.jpg i'm not great at tracing lines i'll be the 1st to admit, but the ones i do like from the girls pedigree is in england, and although i asked her about health testing, i fear she would be offended if i asked to pay for testing on her dogs (very well respected woman, whos stunning dogs do Very well) kuki is poppets mother, and poppets sire is from better known lines than kuki- who on her sires side seems to be from a kennel who has been working their dogs a few decades back- i think that is where the size is coming from- those working dogs. kukis mother is also ours (well, my mums) and again, good size and produced within standard pups. from kuki, poppet was only grams heavier than her 2 brothers at birth- brothers matured to 4.5 and 6.5-ish lbs. kukis temperament (and that of all her litter mates) is ideally suited to any family home- alert, not too overpowering, inquisitive but not manic, cuddly but not needy... poppet is a little more excitable and a lot more active, but out of all our family dogs i'd say she was the easiest trained, most obedient and eager to please. kukis coat is leaning more towards silver-blue than steel. this is what i focused on correcting in her, and i did- poppet is steel blue and gold in all the right places- lovely and silky now as well (was worrying during puppy-adult coat change!) bite and teeth also excellent- last time kuki was in the vets the new vet , and seems she rarely sees a YT with a good mouth, and the bad bite leads to terrible tartar... so she was very impressed at the condition as the set. poppets mouth is excellent as well- gorgeous set of teeth set beautifully like her momma! http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...s/c2f6e6a5.jpg if you would be willing to help me out in any way (even point out anything bad about my babies!) i'd be So very grateful! this will be done right or not at all!
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08-26-2013, 05:38 AM | #5 |
♡Huey's Human♡ Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Ringgold, Ga
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| I don't have any advice about the breeding, but you are right. Poppet has beautiful teeth in the last photo! Very pretty dogs, both Kuki and Poppet
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09-14-2013, 03:03 PM | #6 |
YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: belfast, northern ireland
Posts: 520
| i've looked in to the ins and outs of both the test and AI procedure, and it is something i am now set on doing- provided i find can find a suitable stud with an owner willing to AI to her without actually being able to touch her that is! annoyingly, the PRA test is actually 50% more than paying for a champ stud Here, so i have a fair bit more saving to do- although i'm very confident she'll pass the test knowing her mothers background and meeting so many relatives- none of popps grandparents, parents, aunts/uncles or sibling have any problems as of yet, and the age range is from 2 years to 8 years- PRA would show by then wouldn't it? in the extended family on her fathers side (well, in the same kennel- only assuming they're related) have shown mild symptoms... but fingers crossed they aren't too close! it does seem to be a fairly common problem in all toy breeds here... i'm actually very excited about the possibility of having the first proven clear/ not affected litter in the country- a big step forward in health testing for toy breeds in general IMO! naturally, my family think i'm nutts!! if anyone would be able to offer any help/ advise please do pm me when you get a chance- you can't believe how grateful i'll be!!
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