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Old 06-10-2013, 04:50 PM   #1
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Hi I have a male who we are wanting to stud. He is apri registered because the lady who had him was diagnosed with cancer and she just gave them away. I want to know a few things.

1. What fee can I charge for him? I was told by the lady she was selling him for 1500 before she became ill.

2. Where can I go about finding a female for him?
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FYI, APRI is not a reputable registry. Only AKC is.
Other than that, do you know the history behind this pup? Genetic defects in the line? Not just with him, but generations and generations back. Is he a good representation of the breed? Have you done testing? What if the bitch only has one pup? What if all the pups die? What if there are no pups? What if the bitch dies during whelp? If the puppies have defects, who is responsible?

There is MUCH more to breeding than just how much to charge and who he gets to tie with. The female must also have been thru all the tests and be healthy and a good representation.
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How do I register him with a reputable registry?? We have his pedigree as far back as possible and they have no kmow defects or health problems. He is considered to have champion blood lines from both of his parents etc.
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Why do you want to breed this dog? If he is APRI, his very pedigree is questionable. This has got to be an adventure you want to embark on because you are thinking you can collect a nice stud fee, and that is the end of YOUR responsibility or involvement in any litter produced. And it really is........IF you can look at yourself in a mirror, knowing you are responsible for producing litters of puppies that have questionable genetic health, and that a baby you are responsible for bringing into this world, has a liver shunt or a life threatening heart defect, and the unsuspecting person that bought that puppy, now faces heartbreak and huge vet bills, trying to correct a mistake YOU are responsible for producing. I find that reprehensible and unethical, at best.
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How do I register him with a reputable registry?? We have his pedigree as far back as possible and they have no kmow defects or health problems. He is considered to have champion blood lines from both of his parents etc.
Can you scan that pedigree to this site? I would love to see a dog that has many Champions in his pedigree and yet he is not registered AKC, CKC (Canadian Kennel Club), UKC, or even a foreign registery.

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Can you scan that pedigree to this site? I would love to see a dog that has many Champions in his pedigree and yet he is not registered AKC, CKC (Canadian Kennel Club), UKC, or even a foreign registery.
You know I sure wouldn't have a problem doing this for anyone. You have some serious issues to be flipping out on me like that. I am new to this fourm I registered to ask questions because I wanted to know what I was getting into but people like you sure know how to run people off... didn't know asking questions was such a horrible thing. Also was unaware of what apri meant according to you. Everything I've read about them states otherwise.
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Can you scan that pedigree to this site? I would love to see a dog that has many Champions in his pedigree and yet he is not registered AKC, CKC (Canadian Kennel Club), UKC, or even a foreign registery.
First off you need to calm down. Second off I have no idea what apri is besides that's where he is registered. I want another puppy from him but I need to know a price range for apri bc I've never heard of it. And I would never breed a dog knowing he would cause havoc in creating puppies.
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How do I register him with a reputable registry?? We have his pedigree as far back as possible and they have no kmow defects or health problems. He is considered to have champion blood lines from both of his parents etc.
If he was not born to an AKC dam and sire, he cannot be registered AKC. Legally anyway.

As for champion blood lines, if you go back far enough for any yorkie, there is bound to be several champions. It only means something if he is champion sired. That is highly doubtful since he is not AKC, therefore, his parents must not have been shown.
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Well in order to use him as a stud to would need to find a back yard breeder or puppy mill because in the untied states these are the only breeders who will mate dogs that are both not AKC.
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Ladies I couldn't thank you enough for informing me on this information. I will be going to the lady that I got him from tomorrow to find out why he was not akc registered and if his parents are akc registered can I register him under them? Also he has been checked and tested through my vet with a clean Bill of health and no genetic issues and has been given an ok for stud services. But in will be finding out more information and when I do I will post it here.
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Ladies I couldn't thank you enough for informing me on this information. I will be going to the lady that I got him from tomorrow to find out why he was not akc registered and if his parents are akc registered can I register him under them? Also he has been checked and tested through my vet with a clean Bill of health and no genetic issues and has been given an ok for stud services. But in will be finding out more information and when I do I will post it here.
Perhaps if you can post the full range of breed specific, pre-breeding tests your vet did, we can tell you if it is complete enough. For sure ED,HD and PRA can not be evaluated by a vet to comply with offa and or cerf requirements.
These tests must be evaluated by board certified specialists and once done, their results are posted to an independent health database.

I am assuming that you have not bred before; therefor at the minimum you would be looking for some-one who is experienced, to supervise or monitor the tie to insure nobody is injured in that process.

There is a whole lot that goes into responsible breeding practises, take your time; do your research, find a mentor who you can learn from.

As a comment many general vets (unless they are responsible breeders themselves), do not have the breed specific knowledge of what specialized tests are recommended by the appropriate National dog clubs. For the Yorkshire Terrier this is www.ytca.org
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First off you need to calm down. Second off I have no idea what apri is besides that's where he is registered. I want another puppy from him but I need to know a price range for apri bc I've never heard of it. And I would never breed a dog knowing he would cause havoc in creating puppies.
I'm not sure why you told Yorkiemom to calm down, she's a very knowledgeable breeder and can give you the straight facts. I really value her advice.

You say that your not sure what APRI is and it’s a free pet registry for commercial breeders. It’s was started by commercial breeders many of which are considered puppy mills.

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The AKC has been cracking down on breeders for several years, their primary purpose is as a registry for purebreds and so a breeders records most be in order, and they must submit to DNA tests if they breed over a certain number of dogs. They have thrown out breeders with sloppy record keeping or if they were breaking laws regarding kennel conditions. The pet industry decided to make their own registries and most pet owner don’t know the difference, most pet owners don’t check these things until after they buy the pet. APRI registry is basically worthless, because it’s not a reliable registry. Another reason people use alternative registries is when they bought their AKC dog, the seller didn’t include breeding rights, all good breeders do not automatically include breeding rights, so the dog you buy might be AKC registered, but the offspring can’t be registered. So these people basically steal the breeding rights and register with one of these alternative registries. It’s really important that you understand that breeding your dog will change his disposition and make him more aggressive, and less interested in you and more interested in finding a female. The number one cause of death in unneutered males is injuries due to car accidents, you’re dog is much more likely to run away and they can smell a female in heat 10 miles away. While you’re dog might be a great pet, he shouldn’t be bred. The only dogs that should be bred are those that are registered with a reliable registry and those who have had all the costly genetic health tests, and those who have been deemed breed worthy by AKC judges and those whose owners really have studied breeding and understand the risks and liabilities involved.
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First off you need to calm down. Second off I have no idea what apri is besides that's where he is registered. I want another puppy from him but I need to know a price range for apri bc I've never heard of it. And I would never breed a dog knowing he would cause havoc in creating puppies.
You contacted me by pm and chose to royally chastise me for what I said to you and advised you...you and I have already had this discussion, via pm, and like I told you in the pm, apparently we both make each other ill with what we believe. I do not need you to instruct me to calm down....trust me, you have never SEEN or HEARD me when I was "un calm".....I have already learned not to let what I encounter in posts, from people that are confused or just not "up to speed" on what acceptable, ethical breeding practices are, upset my day.....it is really nothing I personally have to deal with and thank goodness, no one I sell my dogs to, have to concern themselves with the likelihood of a genetically questionable puppy from questionable lines. It is a well know fact, not just something I threw out there in a hysterical fit of some kind, that APRI is a registery that is well known for registering dogs that can not be registered thru any other registery. Unfortunately, this is apparently something you were not aware of or did not find concern with. APRI is the "go to" registery for puppy mill dogs and BYB's, and on that merrit alone, it is inconcievable to me personally, that a dog registered with this outfit, would be used in a breeding program or even bred at all. But dont fret....I am calm....there are soooooooo many other things going on that could be the basis for getting upset....what you choose to do with your little dog, and how you handle any owners that come back on you for medical bills, is really of little or no concern for me....I worry about the puppies and the damage to the breed being done by indescriminate breeding practices, but I have no control over irresponsible breeding of our beautiful breed. I just shake my head and move on......
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