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Old 09-09-2012, 05:38 AM   #1
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Question Biewer pricing questions

I'm looking into adding a biewer puppy to our family. I'm curious as to what is a reasonable price, or even price range on these pups, and what is considered extravagant pricing.

Are they more expensive than some yorkies because the German line is so rare or hard to build up a breeding foundation?

Also, is it a good mark of a breeder who prices each pup individually, based on conformation to standard and if they are of show quality? What does it say about a breeder who sets one firm price on all her puppies?
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Old 09-09-2012, 05:55 AM   #2
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I don't know much about them. But I do know that where I live they are a lot more expensive than a Yorkie (regular yorkie? Hee hee. Not sure how to say it). I'm talking double plus. I am not sure if that is typical or not.
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Hi Carm... I'm seeing Biewers of good quality being sold from $2500 - $5000 with breeding rights, and $1800 to $2,000 sans. I too am interested in the breed and want to find out what is extravagant. They are such beautiful dogs and are still so rare that I can understand why the breeders want to price their puppies high. I think the high prices also keep the breeders with ill repute and those who breed without purpose from getting into the breed. I was told that a Biewer with correct lineage will trace back to Von Friedheck. If you are able to get a Biewer from that line, then you will probably pay higher prices.

In my opinion, and I'll probably get slammed on this, a good breeder will price their puppies according to quality. Not just an all across the board price. I have many, many years experience with Pembroke Welsh Corgis and my mother shows them in agility and obedience. The dogs who are better quality are priced accordingly, and the others are generally sold as pets unless they are of breeding quality. Breeding rights will be offered if the dog's parents have passed their CERF and OFA tests and the prices increase according to championships, markings, standard etc. I think if a breeder is selling with breeding rights, he or she needs to make sure he or she knows which dogs are quality and which are not. The higher prices keep people who want to mill dogs from purchasing and maintain the integrity of the lines. I imagine this might also be the case with Biewers, but even more so since the breed is still being fitted and developed for an American breed registry and since there are few "true" Biewer lines.

This is just my opinion. I imagine there are several differing.
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Hi Carm... I'm seeing Biewers of good quality being sold from $2500 - $5000 with breeding rights, and $1800 to $2,000 sans. I too am interested in the breed and want to find out what is extravagant. They are such beautiful dogs and are still so rare that I can understand why the breeders want to price their puppies high. I think the high prices also keep the breeders with ill repute and those who breed without purpose from getting into the breed. I was told that a Biewer with correct lineage will trace back to Von Friedheck. If you are able to get a Biewer from that line, then you will probably pay higher prices.

In my opinion, and I'll probably get slammed on this, a good breeder will price their puppies according to quality. Not just an all across the board price. I have many, many years experience with Pembroke Welsh Corgis and my mother shows them in agility and obedience. The dogs who are better quality are priced accordingly, and the others are generally sold as pets unless they are of breeding quality. Breeding rights will be offered if the dog's parents have passed their CERF and OFA tests and the prices increase according to championships, markings, standard etc. I think if a breeder is selling with breeding rights, he or she needs to make sure he or she knows which dogs are quality and which are not. The higher prices keep people who want to mill dogs from purchasing and maintain the integrity of the lines. I imagine this might also be the case with Biewers, but even more so since the breed is still being fitted and developed for an American breed registry and since there are few "true" Biewer lines.

This is just my opinion. I imagine there are several differing.
I'm a Biewer breeder and you are completely right about the pricing. I'm in South Africa and our club has decided to promote pricing based on quality, so you pay more the closer you get to the ultimate Biewer standard, ie. the perfect Biewer. Breeding quality is very expensive, but appropriately priced too. A pet puppy with many faults can go for as little as R4 000 ($500), but a top quality brood dam can cost you in the area of R25 000 ($3 000) - R40 000 ($5 000).

Our bloodline can be traced back to Von Friedheck and there are about 25 dogs in our line in the country at the moment. That's why we need to charge what we do. We are very afraid of our dogs ending up in the wrong hands.

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I'm a Biewer breeder and you are completely right about the pricing. I'm in South Africa and our club has decided to promote pricing based on quality, so you pay more the closer you get to the ultimate Biewer standard, ie. the perfect Biewer. Breeding quality is very expensive, but appropriately priced too. A pet puppy with many faults can go for as little as R4 000 ($500), but a top quality brood dam can cost you in the area of R25 000 ($3 000) - R40 000 ($5 000).

Our bloodline can be traced back to Von Friedheck and there are about 25 dogs in our line in the country at the moment. That's why we need to charge what we do. We are very afraid of our dogs ending up in the wrong hands.

This is my homebred girl:
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And this is Orio from Germany:
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They're both BEAUTIFUL!
I love your "homegrown" female. She's stunning. What breed association are you affiliated with in South Africa? So great to see the breed growing, and very beautifully if I must say .
It's unfortunate that there is so much dispute in the U.S.
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I will not speak to the Biewer pricing, but will answer in more general terms.

It is not uncommon for puppies to be priced individually; there can be several categories of pricing:

1) Top quality of everything, show, structure, temperament, and working ability and breeding rights are usually the most expensive

Followed by:

2) Top quality-structure in particular - maybe some small coat flaw, or even major flaw BUT Superior Working Dog quality. This dog would be sold on a non breeding contract - with provision to spay / neuter at a later time than normal.

3) Almost show quality but perhaps incorrect temperament - but good for pet home. Again non breeding contract

4) Good quality pet puppies

5) Dogs likely to be far out of the standard, on many important qualities. *some of these might be placed with minimal cost, and dogs with known medical issues may never be placed, or be placed with full disclosure to an extra qualified pet owner for free.

For me as a purchaser, if I was dealing with a breeder who had this pricing strategy; I would make doubly sure they had the expertise on puppy evaluation, and a very good show and working dog reputation.

I would expect two independent puppy evaluative assessments had been done.

I would want to be able to personally speak with the examiner on the written evaluation of the puppy I was interested in,.

I would expect a FULL battery of pre breeding tests being done, for the breed in question. And I would expect those tests to be posted on the official health websites.

It goes without saying a detailed health warranty, very clearly outlined what will be covered or not. What are the remedies that will be put in place, should my dog "not turn out" as warranted?

To me a breeder who wants to structure their pricing in the way as posted; should be able to convince me that they actually have the experience, and knowledge to do so.
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I'm in Canada the parti yorkies that are available in Alberta that are registered with the Canadian Kennel Club go for about 2500.00. I have forgotten who the breeder is because I put it out of my head...they dont ship so I would pay this price and plane and hotel, for me out of my price range...I moved on.
My Jersey that I bought home yesterday, I paid 1500.00, on a non breeding contract. There is a breeder in Ontario that sells Biewers for 600.00, with no registration papers...I wont out the breeder as she is now retired. Jersey is a Biewer and will be registered with the IBC, once I have provided proof that she has been spayed, she also has a four generation pedigree. For me personally over two g's is way too much...JMO.
I dont know what the Biewers go for in the U.S.
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I would expect two independent puppy evaluative assessments had been done.

I would want to be able to personally speak with the examiner on the written evaluation of the puppy I was interested in,.
I do not think they get independent puppy assessments in the US. From what I have experienced, but I can be wrong, the breeder comes up with a price. Some also use the Pat Hastings method. And most pups are evaluated at 8 weeks.

I know from experience, I have seen a puppy from two weeks old. The breeder sent many pictures to me. I fell in love with the pup. Turned out she was on the top end of what she said the pup would be. The pup was going to be a pet. She gave me a price that would be more show quality, from what I researched, this pup was not. It was just too much for me to spend. Sad...so again I wait.
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I do not think they get independent puppy assessments in the US. From what I have experienced, but I can be wrong, the breeder comes up with a price. Some also use the Pat Hastings method. And most pups are evaluated at 8 weeks.

I know from experience, I have seen a puppy from two weeks old. The breeder sent many pictures to me. I fell in love with the pup. Turned out she was on the top end of what she said the pup would be. The pup was going to be a pet. She gave me a price that would be more show quality, from what I researched, this pup was not. It was just too much for me to spend. Sad...so again I wait.
Of course I do wish you luck in your search. How-ever on the puppy evaluations to be most effective they need to be done by a person who is a stranger to the litter.

Eight week timeframe is the recommended time frame for the evaluations. For Yorkies that is too early to tell much about coat, but temperament, structure it is a good benchmark.
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I am heavily involved in biewers as a show exhibitor and small home breeder. I breed for my next show prospect. This does not necessarily mean the ones I place as pets are "lesser" than one I've chosen to keep. It may be they didn't have the attitude for the ring be it too shy or too independent.it may be a structural issue which in no way affects the dog as a pet.

I use Pat Hastings evaluations as a tool for breeding stock. Sorry I know that term offends. I've been to seminars. I have seen the best structured puppy...she evaluated in a litter also have a deformed right leg, but structurally she was perfect for breeding. I think providing an evaluation to a pet owner may lead to alarm where none is needed. No, I'm not sending out a pup with three legs...but I don't want a pet buyer to be alarmed to read, for example, shallow chest and believe it is a health concern.

I am now also doing volhards temperament testing...although to be honest most of it can be readily observed by a breeder who studies, observes, and watches her pups.

As far as pet pricing, I would expect to spend $1500-2500 here in the US and females are usually more in demand. I wouldn't spend over $3500 for a pup with breeding rights and that is from highly experienced show home reputable breeders.

I prefer to place mine in in forever homes...
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Thank you everyone for youur input. I had found a breeder who I really liked, but she wanted 3,500 firmly set, and that is not on the individual dog..it is on any of her puppies. They are so gorgeous so I know it would be well worth it, but I just don't want to spend that much. Not because I want to skimp out or find a less reputable breeder...

I still hope to find a Biewer puppy to bring into our family. If you know of anyone whose price is more along the lines of around 1,500 please send me a pm. Am I being unrealistic? (Asking that seriously, not sarcastically.)

All I'm saying is, I dont want to show, nor breed...I just want a sibling for my girl, and another baby for mea to love on.
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Thank you everyone for youur input. I had found a breeder who I really liked, but she wanted 3,500 firmly set, and that is not on the individual dog..it is on any of her puppies. They are so gorgeous so I know it would be well worth it, but I just don't want to spend that much. Not because I want to skimp out or find a less reputable breeder...

I still hope to find a Biewer puppy to bring into our family. If you know of anyone whose price is more along the lines of around 1,500 please send me a pm. Am I being unrealistic? (Asking that seriously, not sarcastically.)

All I'm saying is, I dont want to show, nor breed...I just want a sibling for my girl, and another baby for mea to love on.

Just wondering, do you have to have a Biewer? I know you want one but with what you are willing to spend you could get a very nice Yorkie. . I had my heart set on one too but just didn't see be able to spend how much they were going for.
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Just wondering, do you have to have a Biewer? I know you want one but with what you are willing to spend you could get a very nice Yorkie. . I had my heart set on one too but just didn't see be able to spend how much they were going for.
Yeah, I had that thought too. I got Luma for less than that, and she is healthy and beautiful to me! I could find a lovely yorkie friend for her, I had just really fallen in love with the look of Biewers.

I was looking into Parti yorkies as well...we just don't know where to look! It's frustrating. Luma's breeder recently added an AKC parti female to her bunch...but she is young and won't come into season until next year, it's about if I can make myself be patient that long haha We'd love to have another baby from their family..we love her breeder dearly, and are overdue on a reunion!!
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Yeah, I had that thought too. I got Luma for less than that, and she is healthy and beautiful to me! I could find a lovely yorkie friend for her, I had just really fallen in love with the look of Biewers.

I was looking into Parti yorkies as well...we just don't know where to look! It's frustrating. Luma's breeder recently added an AKC parti female to her bunch...but she is young and won't come into season until next year, it's about if I can make myself be patient that long haha We'd love to have another baby from their family..we love her breeder dearly, and are overdue on a reunion!!
Well let me just say, if you find a good breeder sometimes it is worth the wait!
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Have you thought about looking for an adult Biewer?
Look for breeders retiring and wanting to rehome theirs.
I was blessed with Itzi, he turned 7 just days before i picked him up.
He plays well with my 6.5 month old and he is such a love!

We definitely want another Biewer, a little girl to add to our pack. But not just yet. We are content right now. Waiting til Oliver is older and gentle like Itzi.

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