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04-29-2012, 02:25 AM | #1 |
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| Devastated Hi I would like some advice ,I have 2 yorkies bonnie and clyde,bonnie is 4 and clyde is 1,I decided to let them have a litter due to the fact me,my mum and my mother in law all have yorkies and were all looking to add to our families.Bonnie was checked by the vet and given a clean bill of health and so her and clyde mated.She was checked by the vet twice while pregnant and given worming solution etc"(both my dogs have upto date innoculations)Lat time she was checked was last Monday and we knew she was due last friday,she went into labour early on wednesday morning,we had been taking clyde to bed with us just in case she whelped in the night so he was not around her,my husband got up for work at 6 and bonnie was fine went out back to toilet and then she went back to sleep,I came down at 7.10 and there was a dead pup next to her ,the pup was clean no mess at all around bonnie she had pooped on floor but nothing else,I tried to ressucitate the pup for over half an hour but to no avail,at 8.40 she delivered another pup ,she cleaned him and he latched on to her feeding straight away and for the next 28 hours she was keeping him warm and he was feeding well ,she only left his side twice to toilet which she did on paper by her as i didnt want her to get upset by going outside and her not being able to see him. At 1.30 I checked them both and they were fine pup was feeding and she was content ,at 2.20 I noticed her nestling and moving pup about and she kept looking to me and then she picked him up and looked at me ,I immediatly checked pup and he was not breathing and there was no heartbeat,I tried to ressucitate him rubbing him with warm towel and gently swinging him in closed palms also checked his airways,I tried this for over 40 mins until I knew there was no hope,I rang vet and he advised for her to see pup again to say goodbye so I let her for 10mins (absouloutly heartbreaking to watch)The vet jus advised me that nature is cruel and it happens but she will get over it. Since this happened she has been with me constantly and I have jus been giving her extra treats ,extra cuddles and had her in bed with me,she has been looking around for her pups and though i cant help it ive been in floods of tears for her which I know her seeing me upset adds to her sadness. What i want advice on is what reasons could have caused the pups to die and I know my vet just thinks its an act of nature,and i have taken her back to get a check up yesterday and he said she is fine and as soon as her milk dries up and her hormones settle she will forget about it,but we are all totally devasted for her and i dont know what is best to do,Should I let her get pregnant again and give her pups she craves if so how long should I wait ,or should I get her spayed so we dont have to go through this again. Would she crave for a litter in the future or will she get forget about this.Any advice please x |
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04-29-2012, 07:14 AM | #2 |
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| I am soooo sorry for your loss, and especially sorry for Bonny. She is grieving her loss of her babies.....this could last several days or several weeks....my Hailee grieved for almost 6 weeks. There is medication that can be given to help dry up her milk, getting things back to normal, sooner rather than later. It would concern me why that second baby died, after starting out so well. It is important to know what is behind your two Yorkies....there may very well be lines that should not be crossed as genetic issues will surface....recessive genes will double up and become dominate, and you will have problems. You do not indicate if you had an autopsy on the babies so there is no definitive cause of death. It could have been a fluke, or it could be a result of something that will be repeated because of genetic patterns in the breeding pair's pedigrees, or it could be as simple as momma fell asleep on top of baby and smothered him. You will need to decide if you want to possibly put Bonny through this again. Is it so beneficial that it is worth it to you, to do so? That is your question. Last edited by Yorkiemom1; 04-29-2012 at 07:15 AM. |
04-29-2012, 07:32 AM | #3 |
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| Hi and thanks for replying ,I didnt have autopsies on the pups as the vet advised against it if there were no obvious abnormalities and if I had to guess why the 2nd pup died I would say mum fell asleep on him because she was shattered and very,very protective but she just fell into motherhood and did her best.I dont think I could go through this again as since this happened I cant get how such a happy event turned so tragic. If I get her spayed will she always crave what she nearly had ,my vet says dogs act on instinct not emotion so when her hormones settle she wont remember this but I know my dog and she has got lots of emotion .I dont wont to take her future motherhood away from her but do you think it will be kinder to get her spayed ,she does have a wonderful relationship with clyde and both my dogs are very social with people and other dogs and cats too. Any advice grateful x |
04-29-2012, 07:37 AM | #4 |
Living My Yorkie Dream Donating Member | Oh my.........I am so sorry. Your story was so sad to read, but it is all a very possible part of breeding. I agree with all that Yorkiemom1 has told you. There are any number of reasons for the pups death; a mom and pups need to be monitored closely for the first week(s) for any signs of distress. That being said, the question to breed again should be determined on whether you want to try again and/or whether you want to put Bonnie through another pregnancy. Once Bonnie recovers from this pregnancy and the loss of her pups, she will not remember any of it. She will not long to have other pups, it doesn't work that way. As far as how long to wait, obviously you will have to wait for her next heat cycle, which in some cases is okay to breed again right away, but many will skip one before breeding again. I feel age 5 is a good age to retire them from breeding, so maybe spaying her after this would be a good choice. If you and other family members are looking to add another Yorkie to the family, maybe find one through another breeder & let them do the work for you.....
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04-29-2012, 07:39 AM | #5 |
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| I am so sorry for your loss..follow you heart
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04-29-2012, 08:11 AM | #6 |
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| You need to speak to your vet indepth about the possibility of breeding this girl again, I know how emotional it is to lose pups but Bonnie's health is primary. Without having an autopsy there is no way to know if this was genetic disaster or accidental. If you "follow your heart",please get both Bonnie and Clyde thoroughly checked and tested. I think at this point talking to an experienced mentor/breeder would be wise. I'd hate to see Bonnie go through anymore pain, physically or emotionally; not to mention your pain. I'm so sorry this happened to you and your girl. Right now I would just take a few days to spend time together and take good care of eachother...then decide what is best. Good luck ((((Bonnie and MOM))))
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04-29-2012, 08:14 AM | #7 |
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| Sad for You So sorry for you and Bonnie. I think this is a very emotional thing. I would wait a few days before making a decision about spaying. I think your sweet girl would be fine with an adopted puppy to mother.
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04-29-2012, 08:42 AM | #8 |
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| Thanks for the advice i think your right and we need a few days to decide,I feel so sorry for her and I feel guilty as to my decision to add to our family has caused this,I never imagined that the way I feel about what has happened could be so intense ,Im heartbroken as seeing her with her little baby and experiencing this loss with her has been so tragic. Today is the first time since it happened that her and clyde have gone asleep cuddled together and she has eaten as normal so I can see her making progress and I think me being so emotional hasnt helped her,I think that maybe just the two of them is enough for each other and maybe because my own children are growing up so fast that i was looking for babies to look after,which is why I feel guilty xxxxx |
04-29-2012, 09:11 AM | #9 |
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| As much as we adore these precious little souls, reality stripped to the bone is, they are dogs. I hate to even say those words because I am the world's worst at "humanizing" all my dogs! They are driven by instinct, not emotions. They will grieve the loss of puppies, but they forget it when the hormones that cause them to bond with their babies, subside...it isnt an everlasting ache in their heart that stays with them. They do not have the capacity to realize they will feel "left out" or "not as much a woman" if they do not have puppies, so no, she will not miss not having another litter. It will be a hard decision for you, whether to spay Bonnie or not....always keep her health first and foremost in your mind. |
04-29-2012, 09:48 AM | #10 |
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| Thanks for that it does reassure us to know she will forget about it ,but still I dont think I could ever put her through that again and in future I will get a new puppy from a breeder that has done all the work and stressing beforehand ,I am going to get her spayed as I love her to much to put her at risk and also its been hard on clyde too as he has had to be kept away from from her every night for 2 weeks and they cuddle together all night usually,so its not fair on him too. How soon will I be able to get her spayed ,she seems to be getting back to normal today,no looking round for pups or nestling which is good xx thanks xxx |
04-29-2012, 09:59 AM | #11 |
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| She will move on it time. Breeding is very difficult and not for the feint of heart! I'm sorry for your loss... I think you are making the right decision not to breed her again... |
04-29-2012, 11:09 AM | #12 | |
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Excellent decision, I honestly believe...given the circumstances! It will be much easier on YOU as well as Bonnie! | |
04-29-2012, 06:48 PM | #13 | |
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I'm glad you have already made the best decision. Take can of your little girl and YOU for the next few days. Keep us posted and post as much as you need to get through this. Will you be neutering Clyde as well? Take care Lynzy, owned by Miss Mini and Miss Mia
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04-30-2012, 04:34 AM | #14 |
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| Yes I will be neuring clyde too as its not fair if he still gets his urges,I spoke to vet and ther both booked in for 8th may ,thanks for everyones advice your all really helpful xxxxx |
04-30-2012, 08:19 AM | #15 |
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| That is great that you are thinking about what is best for your girl and boy and getting them spay and neutered. I had a cat that lost 3 of her 4 kittens and was planning on getting her spay and she went into heat and got outside and got lost and never returned. After that I vowed to never let anything like that happen again and now I spay my cats at 4 months. You are a good yorkie parent
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