Why does everyone??

[lovefor3yorkies]

Why does EVERYONE think it's completely normal to stick 2 dogs together so they can have puppies????

Do they not see ALL the media forms with rescues, shelters, and pounds FULL of animals????

Why don't humans have a "breeding standard"???

After reading some of these posts I just have to know if I am the only one wondering this.

[YorkieRini]

Oh no you are not alone. I feel the same way. It's very frustrating to see some that do not educate themselves. And just stick 2 dogs together and have puppies that may be healthy but not represent the true breed and then sell them for peanuts because they didn't invest the time and money needed to IMPROVE what they have.
I do applaud and apprecaite those that ask questions FIRST and want honest answers from those with experience.
Robbie is doing the breed justice by sharing the tragedy of losing Rio. Bless her heart for sharing her pain with the entire world, posting here. Hopefully those that think you breed by throwing 2 dogs together will think twice reading stories like Robbies and some others that have experienced loss of one kind or another.

Irene

[red98vett]

Oh wow Lovefor3yorkies & Irene - powerful message - I remember my vet talking to ME about breeding - we had quite a few conversations about it.... and as I debated - I was asked THIS question:

"Are you prepared to lose your Chanel in order to have puppies"

My answer of course was absolutely not and that was that.

Good Yorkie Breeders are a special type of person - I'm awed by them and know they do know the risks... but they also know the signs and usually can step in before things turn bad....I really believe many of the breeders here do it for the LOVE of the breed....money is not their motivation at all.

but no one is perfect & it IS a learning experience

What I DO have a problem with is the people seeing $$$$ and thinking - "hmmmm - I can do this and make a bunch of money - How hard can it be ?" ..... those are the people I'm NOT impressed with at all.

[rrosenberry]

I never considered it personally,, I knew I would be a nervous wreck, with all the stress, ( my neighbor has a female the same age as Bailey and she had talked about breeding them)
If I had a female,, I would not want to risk her in anyway, I could not handle all the $$ in vet bills, ( people say look at all the money you could make) Look at all the risks, and all the money involved.
I just never considered it.. TOO many dogs now need adopted. I can't see adding to the problem. JMO

[Diego]

I agree with you 1000 % . Working in a shelter made me realize that peoples often think that dogs is just a something you can have and put in the garbage when it don't fit the style of life they have . Actually , at the shelter , we have a bitch that the owner was keeping outside because she refused to adjust to the new puppy he just bought .

[JUDY's2yorkies]

I can't agree more, we have a male and female,we did what we thought was enough to stop them from having puppies, she wore panties, he wore a belly band, and we thought we kept them apart,but no such luck,my daughter let them out in the back yard togeather,and you know what happened...now after a c section,we have one little boy baby,he is fine,but it was real hard on the mommy,I will get them both fixed because it won't ever happen again, yes I had bought them with the idea they could have puppies,as I used to raise maltese,but not any more,she weighs 4.5 lbs and he weighs 4.8 lbs,yet there puppy was a rotty,when he was born he weighed 5.5oz not the normal 3 oz...I will not be able to recover the cost of his birth,ran me $1,000 and more to come,plus yorkies in my area are not selling at that price,so I would say to people out there,check out everything first and let the professional breeders do what is right,we love our babies but will never do this again,not that we wanted to,darn that daughter and that derterminded guy dog...

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by lovefor3yorkies

Why does EVERYONE think it's completely normal to stick 2 dogs together so they can have puppies????

Could you please be a little more specific? Do you mean irresponsible breeders who don't educate themselves and research the aspects first, or ALL breeders in general. Cause I gotta say, if you are referring to ALL breeders, I'm more than slightly offended--I am sure others would be as well.

[sylvan]

In addition to the overpopulation/shelter problem there is the concern of what is produced by indiscriminant breeding. I have never told someone their dog was 'ugly', because all pets are beautiful in the eyes of the owner, because they are loved....at least one hopes. BUT it is obvious that many of the lovely attributes of this breed are quickly lost when people just 'put two dogs together'. Many pet yorks now bear little resemblance to the breed standard, and as a true fancier, I find this disheartening.
I applaud when people ask for a breeding analysis and do their homework and garner experienced opinions before making a choice. All reputable breeders do this. For anyone that truly loves the breed it is justifiably irritating to see responses to these questions offered up by those who have no experience in breeding. Just because a dog is gorgeous in the opinion of an untrained eye, does not mean it will make gorgeous pups. There are a multitude of factors involved with making these choices. As a breeder, I know that any pups I produce are here on the planet because of a choice I made and their well-being is my responsibility as long as they live. That's huge if you really think about it. I am glad to help anyone interested in doing this seriously and well and harbor no snobbery towards those willing to learn and stand behind the ethics involved. If all breeders lived by these ethics, there would be no dogs in rescue. It is a disservice to the breed itself to do this just because you can. If it makes me arrogant to use critical judgement before making these choices, then so be it, I am arrogant.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Could you please be a little more specific? Do you mean irresponsible breeders who don't educate themselves and research the aspects first, or ALL breeders in general. Cause I gotta say, if you are referring to ALL breeders, I'm more than slightly offended--I am sure others would be as well.

me too!!!!!!!!! I was kind of wondering if the original post was directed at me because I have been so public about wanting to buy a female to breed to my baby when he gets old enough. Believe me, I am educating myself and finding out all I can. I think that has been evident from all my posts. I still have plenty of time. At least two years.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Could you please be a little more specific? Do you mean irresponsible breeders who don't educate themselves and research the aspects first, or ALL breeders in general. Cause I gotta say, if you are referring to ALL breeders, I'm more than slightly offended--I am sure others would be as well.

I don't know why you would be offended since it is not a personal attack but merely an opinion and a logical one. A great many people feel that until the shelters are empty we should not be breeding dogs and the reasoning is there and it is logical to them. If it is not logical to you then that is okay.

You just happen to believe differently and if you are confident that you have made the right decision in your own mind and your conscience is clear, then why be offended?

I could never breed my female pet either. I have always said this and it is not because they are not "show dog standard" because I do not "judge" dogs according to this sort of "outward appearance test" (I am more concerned with temperamant and a "look" I like" which are not included in the show standard), but rather that I understand the risk and realize that no matter what size the female is if she produces only one pup that pup will grow to fill the space in her uterus and she will require a c-section to deliver. I am not willing to risk the life of my female in this way.

BUT......I respect the right of every responsible dog owner to make the right choices for their dog from an educated position. I trust the majority of people to educate themsleves and know the dangers and learn everything they possible can before attempting, mostly having the dogs tested by a reproductive specialist for their physical ability to produce w/o gentic defects, are healthy, etc.

Do I care if the dogs bred are the perfect example of the "show breed standard"? I feel this is prejudicial and like saying we should only allow beautiful people with IQs over 160 to reproduce. I think there is beauty in all people and beauty in all dogs so, if you do it responsibly, I think it is your right to breed a maltese to a yorkie or a floppy eared yorkie to a cotton coated female, etc.

People take this "show dog" thing too seriously in my opinion when they argue that if we allow breeding outside the "standard" they have set arbitrarily that we will somehow "lose" the breed. This is ridiculous and will never happen because as long as the show breeders continue their hobby they will continue to produce dogs with the standards THEY like. Maybe all the yorkies in the world won't look the same exactly, but that is part of what I Love about the breed. No two look the same!

Showing dogs is a "hobby". Granted, it must be a serious hobby since it deals with living creatures, but it is still a hobby, and the YTCA "standard" is the law! It is a CLUB which only allows certain people in! It is simply a set of archaic guidelines to allow judges to judge dogs primarily on outward appearance like a beauty contest. That's it. The people who participate may love the breed but above all else, they want to WIN and they want to have the respect of all of the other show breeders by winning! It is not a NICE hobby (show breeders will ALL admit to this fact) and it is competitive and cutthroat and people cheat, judges play favorites, and all sorts of politics and nastiness goes on. I want no part of that "stuff" but I am as obsessd with yorkies as the most ardent show breeder.

I choose to give my dogs a different life. I triain them in odedience, take them to the dog park, take them with me on errands, take them for walks, treat them like my child, give them "jobs" to do to make them feel good and not be bored, and chat on YT to feel connected to ohters who share my passion. Does this make me BETTER than a show breeder as a result? Of course not, just a different kind of yorkie fancier.

But, I get tired of people on here not wanting to hear the opinions of those who choose to believe differently from themselves. Come on people, this is America!!! We all come from different backgrounds and have different ideas and frameworks. Where is the tolerance? People get attacked and ridiculed on here for having an opinion everyday, and it is just not right. Please try to be a little more open minded and appreciate our dfferences rather than attacking. Show breeders opinions are not any more important than a hobby breeder or a pet owner if they have the same amount of experience or have taken the time to become educated themselves on the subject. Please respect this and each other.

[ytsirk27]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I don't know why you would be offended since it is not a personal attack but merely an opinion and a logical one. A great many people feel that until the shelters are empty we should not be breeding dogs and the reasoning is there and it is logical to them. If it is not logical to you then that is okay.

You just happen to believe differently and if you are confident that you have made the right decision in your own mind and your conscience is clear, then why be offended?

I could never breed my female pet either. I have always said this and it is not because they are not "show dog standard" because I do not "judge" dogs according to this sort of "outward appearance test" (I am more concerned with temperamant and a "look" I like" which are not included in the show standard), but rather that I understand the risk and realize that no matter what size the female is if she produces only one pup that pup will grow to fill the space in her uterus and she will require a c-section to deliver. I am not willing to risk the life of my female in this way.

BUT......I respect the right of every responsible dog owner to make the right choices for their dog from an educated position. I trust the majority of people to educate themsleves and know the dangers and learn everything they possible can before attempting, mostly having the dogs tested by a reproductive specialist for their physical ability to produce w/o gentic defects, are healthy, etc.

Do I care if the dogs bred are the perfect example of the "show breed standard"? I feel this is prejudicial and like saying we should only allow beautiful people with IQs over 160 to reproduce. I think there is beauty in all people and beauty in all dogs so, if you do it responsibly, I think it is your right to breed a maltese to a yorkie or a floppy eared yorkie to a cotton coated female, etc.

People take this "show dog" thing too seriously in my opinion when they argue that if we allow breeding outside the "standard" they have set arbitrarily that we will somehow "lose" the breed. This is ridiculous and will never happen because as long as the show breeders continue their hobby they will continue to produce dogs with the standards THEY like. Maybe all the yorkies in the world won't look the same exactly, but that is part of what I Love about the breed. No two look the same!

Showing dogs is a "hobby". Granted, it must be a serious hobby since it deals with living creatures, but it is still a hobby, and the YTCA "standard" is the law! It is a CLUB which only allows certain people in! It is simply a set of archaic guidelines to allow judges to judge dogs primarily on outward appearance like a beauty contest. That's it. The people who participate may love the breed but above all else, they want to WIN and they want to have the respect of all of the other show breeders by winning! It is not a NICE hobby (show breeders will ALL admit to this fact) and it is competitive and cutthroat and people cheat, judges play favorites, and all sorts of politics and nastiness goes on. I want no part of that "stuff" but I am as obsessd with yorkies as the most ardent show breeder.

I choose to give my dogs a different life. I triain them in odedience, take them to the dog park, take them with me on errands, take them for walks, treat them like my child, give them "jobs" to do to make them feel good and not be bored, and chat on YT to feel connected to ohters who share my passion. Does this make me BETTER than a show breeder as a result? Of course not, just a different kind of yorkie fancier.

But, I get tired of people on here not wanting to hear the opinions of those who choose to believe differently from themselves. Come on people, this is America!!! We all come from different backgrounds and have different ideas and frameworks. Where is the tolerance? People get attacked and ridiculed on here for having an opinion everyday, and it is just not right. Please try to be a little more open minded and appreciate our dfferences rather than attacking. Show breeders opinions are not any more important than a hobby breeder or a pet owner if they have the same amount of experience or have taken the time to become educated themselves on the subject. Please respect this and each other.

HEY!!! So you saying you got all your dogs from a shelter????Or did you go to one of the breeders? If you bought yours from a breeder sorry but you need to do what you preach about!!

[suz]

Originally Posted by JUDY's2yorkies

I can't agree more, we have a male and female,we did what we thought was enough to stop them from having puppies, she wore panties, he wore a belly band, and we thought we kept them apart,but no such luck,my daughter let them out in the back yard togeather,and you know what happened...now after a c section,we have one little boy baby,he is fine,but it was real hard on the mommy,I will get them both fixed because it won't ever happen again, yes I had bought them with the idea they could have puppies,as I used to raise maltese,but not any more,she weighs 4.5 lbs and he weighs 4.8 lbs,yet there puppy was a rotty,when he was born he weighed 5.5oz not the normal 3 oz...I will not be able to recover the cost of his birth,ran me $1,000 and more to come,plus yorkies in my area are not selling at that price,so I would say to people out there,check out everything first and let the professional breeders do what is right,we love our babies but will never do this again,not that we wanted to,darn that daughter and that derterminded guy dog...

I'm having a hard time believing this statement!! This would mean, that at birth, the puppy weighed MORE than the mother did while she was carrying it!! Must be a typo---I hope!!
Suz

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by suz

I'm having a hard time believing this statement!! This would mean, that at birth, the puppy weighed MORE than the mother did while she was carrying it!! Must be a typo---I hope!!
Suz

She said the pup weighed 5.5 OUNCES not lbs. No matter size of the male of the female if a dog only has one pup the pup will grow to fill the space available in the mom.

ytsirk27~ Please read my post more carefully...I did not say I ADREED with the original thread starter.....I said her argument made logical sense. To clarify, no, I do not feel that we need to cease all breeding until the shelters are empty, I have never supported that argument especially where yorkies or nay small breed dogs are concerned because they never stay long in a shelter or a rescue. They are very much in demand.

I do however respect those who are of the opinion that we should adopt from shelters first.

I just thought of something, maybe some members here think that if you "respect and opinion" you have to agree with it.....this is not true. You can respect it and still not agree with it.

[ytsirk27]

sorry kim.. i clicked on the wrong thing..its meant for the thread starter!!!

I also think that there alot of dogs a=in shelters and its really sad but i have had my very bad experieces with shelters and i now just went to abreeder and got the dog i wanted. I got two dogs from the shelters and they both had Parvo and died......they were sick when i got them. Im not mad at the dogs but the shelters do not screen and do what needs to be done with these poor animals. I personally dont like seeing a dog lie there vomiting and haveing diarreah when you becaome soo close to it it about makes you want to go beat some A$$....I agree that there are alot of dogs out there that should be loved and taken home but with my experience i have found its too heartbreaking and so terrible, selfish as it may appear...i will not go throgh all that again. I may be shunned on this board but thats how it is!!!!

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I just thought of something, maybe some members here think that if you "respect and opinion" you have to agree with it.....this is not true. You can respect it and still not agree with it.

I agree with you here--I do respect everyone's opinion and do not expect everyone to think the same way I do. Which is why I asked the thread starter to clarify things. TO ME, the way the statement was made could be offensive to breeders on the site, myself included. I don't think she was purposely trying to step on any toes. As I said, I respect everyones opinion and even if I don't agree with it, I find it interesting to learn more about their view on things and why they are so. I was merely trying to stop this thread from getting ugly like so many others have in the past few days--it seems to have not worked. I am getting very tired of being jumped on for trying to have civil conversation every time I post anything lately...funny, it seems to be happening alot lately, and from the same member(s). Thank goodness I have been on the board long enough now to know who to ignore and who to take seriously.