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YorkieRini · 11-30-2005, 10:08 AM

I saw the strangest thing on the net. A very young Yorkie puppy with a pink nose. What does this mean?
I wonder is if it turns black at maturity? One of my Biewer girls had a spotted nose (pink and black) which turned black when just was just over a year old. It's all black no sign of pink.

This pup was standard color but with a pink nose.

I wonder if this is a sign of a Yorkie with the Piebald Gene. Hmmm...anyone heard of this before. I've been trying to find the picture but I can't.

Irene

YorkieRose · 11-30-2005, 10:12 AM

Not unsual on a young pup...most are black by 8 weeks.

YorkieRini · 11-30-2005, 10:29 AM

Good to know. I have not encountered that in my breeding program and if I did I would be FREAKING!!..lolol.

You should have seen how mean someone was to me because Harmony my Biewer had a spotted nose.

I laugh today because it's solid black. I would think as long as the Yorkies nose turns black it's nothing to worry about. Just like my Biewer.

Thanks Pat!
Irene

troubletb · 11-30-2005, 04:57 PM

I've never seen one, but thanks for the information!!

megan_kat22 · 11-30-2005, 05:00 PM

wow, i had never heard of that before! interesting though

chrislynn5 · 11-30-2005, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRini

I wonder if this is a sign of a Yorkie with the Piebald Gene. Hmmm...anyone heard of this before. I've been trying to find the picture but I can't.

Irene

What is a Piebald Gene?? another question: Is parti and biewer the same type of yorkie?

Yorksrule · 11-30-2005, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by chrislynn5

What is a Piebald Gene?? another question: Is parti and biewer the same type of yorkie?

I would like to know this to.
I have never had a pink nose either. I know light rimmed eyes are not desirable & usually stay light.

YorkieRini · 12-01-2005, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by chrislynn5

What is a Piebald Gene?? another question: Is parti and biewer the same type of yorkie?

They are not the same. Parti Yorkies have a wide range of pattenrs and markings and do not have a standard. When you breed Partis you can get a varitey of markings from the standard blue/tan to almost all white with a patch of color here and there.

Biewers are considered a separate breed because they have standard which calls for markings to be in a specific place on the body. And when you breed 2 biewers together you will get the same pattern that's described in the standard in every litter.

If you breed the 2 together you will ruin the pattern of the Biewer and the consistancy.

Thanks for asking and not assuming the are the same!

Irene

YorkieRini · 12-07-2005, 06:38 PM

Bumping for 'Nosey'

whispersmom2 · 12-12-2005, 05:24 PM

I have been researching about the piebald gene and cannot find any info about the difference, if any, between the piebald gene that produces the Biewer and the piebald gene that produces the partis. Could someone let me know where this info can be found..Since I have puppies that are Biewer and others that are a combo of parti and Biewers, I have the chance to watch both grow and they look the same. In every Biewer litter there are many patterns and yet they are called Biewers..
Any help appreciated...

yorkiegal719 · 12-12-2005, 05:55 PM

Rini, I think that the genes are probably the same piebald gene in both, but with the parties they haven't been breed enough over here so the variations on where the coloring is, is still random with them. With the Biewers they have the white belly, 4 while legs, and supposedly 3 colors on the face area. These are the colors that all Biewers should carry in the right places. I'm sure that even with the Biewers in years to come they will get the coloring even more precise. So I think that's why the Biewers should be bred with Biewers just so the coloring will get stronger where it belongs...

whispersmom2 · 12-12-2005, 06:11 PM

I have a small male Biewer stud that I plan to use with my Biewers. I have the parti male that has the exact same specific markings in the same places and he is the sire of the litter that are ready to go to their forever homes. The puppies are marked correctly except for the dark extending down a bit further on the leg. Other than that, they all are the same. Yet, I keep seeing litters of Biewers in which the colors are not the standard and yet they are being referred to as Biewers. That leads me to believe we are dealing with the same everything except for very selective breeding (in-line) to produce the pattern that is considered the standard.
Even the Biewers whose pics I have seen in shows are not all the same. They sure do make for interesting prospects in our breeding programs...

YorkieRini · 12-12-2005, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by whispersmom2

I have been researching about the piebald gene and cannot find any info about the difference, if any, between the piebald gene that produces the Biewer and the piebald gene that produces the partis. Could someone let me know where this info can be found..Since I have puppies that are Biewer and others that are a combo of parti and Biewers, I have the chance to watch both grow and they look the same. In every Biewer litter there are many patterns and yet they are called Biewers..
Any help appreciated...

Rini,

Mr Biewer developed a standard in the Biewer which is what Theresa has explained. To start a new breed it needs to have a standard and every thing produced from that breed should produce the markings and characteristics described in the standard. So if you breed true Biewer to true Biewer you should get the markings listed in the standard, not traditional colored yorkies or mismatched patterns. Also, when you read the history of the Biewer, the intention Mr Biewer had was to create a separate breed. I prefer to just call them Biewers to avoid confusion.

When comparing pics of my Biewers to your Avatar, I see a destinct difference in Biewers and Partis; coat texture and color.

Irene

YorkieRini · 12-12-2005, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by whispersmom2

I have a small male Biewer stud that I plan to use with my Biewers. I have the parti male that has the exact same specific markings in the same places and he is the sire of the litter that are ready to go to their forever homes. The puppies are marked correctly except for the dark extending down a bit further on the leg. Other than that, they all are the same. Yet, I keep seeing litters of Biewers in which the colors are not the standard and yet they are being referred to as Biewers. That leads me to believe we are dealing with the same everything except for very selective breeding (in-line) to produce the pattern that is considered the standard.
Even the Biewers whose pics I have seen in shows are not all the same. They sure do make for interesting prospects in our breeding programs...

I agree some can vary but remember this breed is only 20 yrs young. IMO those that are not within the standard should not be bred. That's how the focus of my Breeding program.
With all do respect Rini, I feel you are mixing breeds by breeding Biewer to Parties and hope you do not intend on calling the pups Biewers. Not that they will be any less cute. Golly the are beautiful. Also, how do you plan on registering the puppies? German or American registry?

Irene

whispersmom2 · 12-12-2005, 06:25 PM

The dogs in my avatar are Biewers except for one..I agree that the Biewers worked to standardize their dogs and I, too, prefer to call them Biewers. Isn't there one registry that someone mentioned that registers them as Biewer Yorkshire Terriers or something? I remember thinking it sounded confusing at the time..

11-30-2005, 10:08 AM	#1
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	A 'Nosey' question I saw the strangest thing on the net. A very young Yorkie puppy with a pink nose. What does this mean? I wonder is if it turns black at maturity? One of my Biewer girls had a spotted nose (pink and black) which turned black when just was just over a year old. It's all black no sign of pink. This pup was standard color but with a pink nose. I wonder if this is a sign of a Yorkie with the Piebald Gene. Hmmm...anyone heard of this before. I've been trying to find the picture but I can't. Irene __________________ Irene www.stellaryorkies.com "Live everyday as it if it were your last!"

11-30-2005, 10:12 AM	#2
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	nose Not unsual on a young pup...most are black by 8 weeks. __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

11-30-2005, 10:29 AM	#3
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	Good to know. I have not encountered that in my breeding program and if I did I would be FREAKING!!..lolol. You should have seen how mean someone was to me because Harmony my Biewer had a spotted nose. I laugh today because it's solid black. I would think as long as the Yorkies nose turns black it's nothing to worry about. Just like my Biewer. Thanks Pat! Irene __________________ Irene www.stellaryorkies.com "Live everyday as it if it were your last!"

11-30-2005, 04:57 PM	#4
troubletb Love my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Port Richey, Florida Posts: 2,244	I've never seen one, but thanks for the information!! __________________ Karen~ Bell, Lilly and Peter's Mom http://www.freewebs.com/floridayorkies/

11-30-2005, 05:00 PM	#5
megan_kat22 I love my boys! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 1,909	wow, i had never heard of that before! interesting though __________________ -Megan, Tucker & Tripp "My little dogs- heartbeats at my feet" www.dropshots.com/megan_kat22

12-07-2005, 06:38 PM	#9
YorkieRini Livin' La Yorkie Local Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,607	Bumping for 'Nosey' __________________ Irene www.stellaryorkies.com "Live everyday as it if it were your last!"

12-12-2005, 05:24 PM	#10
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	I have been researching about the piebald gene and cannot find any info about the difference, if any, between the piebald gene that produces the Biewer and the piebald gene that produces the partis. Could someone let me know where this info can be found..Since I have puppies that are Biewer and others that are a combo of parti and Biewers, I have the chance to watch both grow and they look the same. In every Biewer litter there are many patterns and yet they are called Biewers.. Any help appreciated...

12-12-2005, 05:55 PM	#11
yorkiegal719 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 602	Rini, I think that the genes are probably the same piebald gene in both, but with the parties they haven't been breed enough over here so the variations on where the coloring is, is still random with them. With the Biewers they have the white belly, 4 while legs, and supposedly 3 colors on the face area. These are the colors that all Biewers should carry in the right places. I'm sure that even with the Biewers in years to come they will get the coloring even more precise. So I think that's why the Biewers should be bred with Biewers just so the coloring will get stronger where it belongs... __________________ Theresa & The Boys +1 The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue

12-12-2005, 06:11 PM	#12
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	I have a small male Biewer stud that I plan to use with my Biewers. I have the parti male that has the exact same specific markings in the same places and he is the sire of the litter that are ready to go to their forever homes. The puppies are marked correctly except for the dark extending down a bit further on the leg. Other than that, they all are the same. Yet, I keep seeing litters of Biewers in which the colors are not the standard and yet they are being referred to as Biewers. That leads me to believe we are dealing with the same everything except for very selective breeding (in-line) to produce the pattern that is considered the standard. Even the Biewers whose pics I have seen in shows are not all the same. They sure do make for interesting prospects in our breeding programs...

12-12-2005, 06:25 PM	#15
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	The dogs in my avatar are Biewers except for one..I agree that the Biewers worked to standardize their dogs and I, too, prefer to call them Biewers. Isn't there one registry that someone mentioned that registers them as Biewer Yorkshire Terriers or something? I remember thinking it sounded confusing at the time..