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Old 11-03-2011, 12:08 PM   #1
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Question New Dam / which Stud do I use ?

My Ruby will be coming into heat soon and after a great deal of though we have decided to breed her. This is not an on the whim sort of thing. I have done my research, I am not new to breeding. I have had litters before and have since had them both fixed. I have also learned a lot from the other breeder here on YT as well.

My last attempt at breeding Ruby fell through when the owners vet suspected liver decease. Well thankfully, he ended up to be ok after all, but she had him neutered any ways.  I was very disappointed due to the fact that he was beautiful and a great candidate for a stud. We had the stud fee and all of the in's and out's of the contract signed and ready to go.

Her next heat will be this month or next depending on her heat cycle. I have been searching for months and months.  I came across three potential candidates right here in my home town. Who have all agreed to the canine std's testing, liver test and genetics test. My concern is after all of that, who will be the best stud to get the job done. Who do I choose if all three are clear of any factors?

(The terms of the contract are all the same, The fees are very different)

Gizmo - (2yrs/CKC) Is a proven stud. He had fathered two litters with the owners female. He is very calm and was very gentle with her and very interested in her when they met. She has agreed to have him duel registered. But, the owner has been very distant in past weeks, she has family issues to deal with. Undetermined on whether we will be able to go forward with agreement.

Colby - (1 yr.) Was very energetic and showed interest in her. Is AKC but still has not been registered.

Scooby - (1 yr./ AKC) Lives just a few streets from my home. He is a bit high strung, but who still showed a lot of interest in her when they met.

I'm confused.... This was so much easier when I had my own in tack stud Quincy. I like Scooby but the whole high strung thing leads me to believe he may not be able to get the job done. Gizmo is my second choice but again his owner is being vague and giving me no sign of whether she will go forward with our agreement. Which leaves Colby who is not registered and that is a deal breaker.

I am looking for advise on choosing a stud. I am not asking anyones opinion on IF I should or should not breed her!

I siimpy need to know how to go about choosing the right candidate for stud. So, what do I do, which do I choose to use as a stud ?
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i personally would never chose on the fact of who showed interest- did they meet her during her last heat and any do disinterest? because unless she was ready to stand, their interest or lack of is surely irrelevant? they don't need to be friends 1st after all!
who will improve on her the best where needed, and complement the rest of her? apart from Gizmo, they don't sound like overly balanced temperaments (since it was worth noting with colby and scooby and not gizmo) so that should certainly be taken into account... how can he be AKC but still not be registered? do you mean ownership hasn't been transferred?
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Although acceptable, 1 year is a bit early for the use of a stud dog and a maiden girl to a maiden boy is never easy. Young males can be very willing to give it a try but many will panic at a young age when the "deed" is close to being accomplished and will fail to get the job done.
What you really need to consider is which stud has the qualities that you need to improve on in your girl. Whichever one appears to be the best choice for that should be your pick. Remember that you can't fix everything in one breeding - changes are made over generations. Pick one or 2 items and try to improve those. Then move on to the next.
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i personally would never chose on the fact of who showed interest-
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did they meet her during her last heat and any do disinterest? because unless she was ready to stand, their interest or lack of is surely irrelevant?
they don't need to be friends 1st after all!
who will improve on her the best where needed, and complement the rest of her?
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apart from Gizmo, they don't sound like overly balanced temperaments
(since it was worth noting with colby and scooby and not gizmo) so that should certainly be taken into account... how can he be AKC but still not be registered?
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do you mean ownership hasn't been transferred?
1. No they did not meet her during a heat.
2. The temperment of the other two in my opinion is due to lack of training and most certainly age.
3. Gizmo is reg./ needs to be dual reg with AKC in order for me to reg the litter.
Colbys: the breeder has not sent in the litter reg yet (after a year)
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From talking with my breeder here is what she looks for in a stud:
She prefers sires who have championed or are active in the ring earning points and reserves consistantly.
Her females are never under 5lbs, males are never over 5lbs. This ensures that most/all the puppies will fall into the standard weight of 7lbs and under.
Her females all have perfect silver/silky coats, straight legs, and a great disposition. So when choosing a male he must also be to the perfection of the standard in which he is registered. Silky, silver, 7lbs and under, etc.

I think the most important thing after passing all health tests, are his registration papers and that he fits the standard 100% including weight. You'd be surprised how many 1 yr old yorkies end up in shelters or being rehomed because they aren't silky, silver, got too big, etc. People see pictures of a standard perfect yorkie and that's usually what they desire. I would love Maci if she was purple and weighed 30lbs. But not everyone is that way.
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then i would completely disregard the younger two (i didn't read she was a maiden, and i imagine colbys breeder lied, so you can't trust his breeding), and focus on Giz if his owner is still up to it... but does he improve/complement her as well as you could ever hope? for that's the info that really matters.
my girls next mating will likely take place at the other end of the country- i like my girls type, and it is hard to find a worthy stud to improve on her around here... so there will probably be boarder crossing involved for her next year!
close doesn't always (or often) mean best- and convenience shouldn't ever really factor in...
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Although acceptable, 1 year is a bit early for the use of a stud dog and a maiden girl to a maiden boy is never easy.
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Young males can be very willing to give it a try but many will panic at a young age when the "deed" is close to being accomplished and will fail to get the job done.
What you really need to consider is which stud has the qualities that you need to improve on in your girl. Whichever one appears to be the best choice for that should be your pick. Remember that you can't fix everything in one breeding - changes are made over generations. Pick one or 2 items and try to improve those. Then move on to the next.
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That is what a fear. If either of the younger two males will be able to get the job done. I can not change my mind after attempts have failed.

Ruby meets standard in every way possible. I want to have a litter of pups that is also the best representation of the Yorkie standards/qualities. Any of the three males would be suitable for that. All three of them are very, very simular in color, weight and height. As far as looks and quality, I would have to say that Gizmo has the qualities that I am looking for.
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That is what a fear. If either of the younger two males will be able to get the job done. I can not change my mind after attempts have failed.

Ruby meets standard in every way possible. I want to have a litter of pups that is also the best representation of the Yorkie standards/qualities. Any of the three males would be suitable for that. All three of them are very, very simular in color, weight and height. As far as looks and quality, I would have to say that Gizmo has the qualities that I am looking for.
if this comes across rude it is certainly not the way i had meant it...
if she is perfect and meets the standard in every way possible, then why are you not using a proven champion? surely you could find a better (or as good) stud for her in the showing world (or is gizmo proven in the ring also)?
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Is Gizmo registered with The Canadian Kennel Club, and not Continental Kennel Club?

If Continental I would certainly not go forward with this breeding until he is registered with the AKC.

Have you searched their pedigrees? KNow the health risks in the lines you are wishing to breed into? What is the incidence of LP for example in your girls line? In the potential stud's lines?

Remember with the breeding pair, even if they are clear of LP, there is still the opportunity for LP to manifest in their first litter. You will want to know the horizontal pedigree,etc. For example in the litter Gizmo was born in, how many if any of those pups have LP? Ditto for Liver shunt; (I'm assuming all have been tested clear), hip dysplasia.
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Is Gizmo registered with The Canadian Kennel Club, and not Continental Kennel Club?

If Continental I would certainly not go forward with this breeding until he is registered with the AKC.

I'm not a breeder and never will be, so can't offer any advice on chosing a stud, but am I a potential future pup buyer. I wouldn't even waste my time looking at a pup from parents that weren't both AKC or Candian Kennel Club registered.
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I clearly have more to consider and more than enough to look into before selecting the right candidate. I appreciate your input.

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Dawn Hi, I am just following your thread to see how it goes. I would go with a stud where papers, owner,and standard were all good with me. I would not risk a breeding if everything wasn't ready to go. I hope you get wonderful, amazing, healthy puppies. And that your lovely Ruby is a terrific mommy.
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Dawn Hi, I am just following your thread to see how it goes. I would go with a stud where papers, owner,and standard were all good with me. I would not risk a breeding if everything wasn't ready to go. I hope you get wonderful, amazing, healthy puppies. And that your lovely Ruby is a terrific mommy.

Yea, that is my concern as well. No paper is deffenatly a deal breaker.
I am really excited about the possibility of having a litter of pups with Ruby. Ruby is going to make a great mother! I'm looking forward to it.

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This is what I recommend, since I do not know the dogs and what I tell anyone that ask:
Breeders are in fact playing God in a sense that they have the choice of what kind of pups they are bringing into this world. A breeder needs to ask themself before making a match is: Would this match improve or benefit the breed and its standard. There is a lot involved in breeding. Since your pups may end up being breed too - what mark will your judgment make on the breed. With each decision it can change the breed. We have to ask ourself why we love the breed so much. What about it makes a yorkie a yorkie.

With that being said and as other mentioned, you have to first know the yorkshire terrier standard. Do you know your girl's pedigree? What tests has she passed, since health issues can be passed on? How does she compare to the standrad. Then if she passes, you have to make a decision on which stud, bassed on the same satandards. How does he match the standard? Is he of good quality compared to the standard. What tests has he passed? What improvements will he make? What is his pedigree? When making a match you want to make sure he compliments your girl. There is so much involved in the decision. I personally would want to make sure both are AKC or Canadian KC.

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This is what I recommend, since I do not know the dogs and what I tell anyone that ask:
Breeders are in fact playing God in a sense that they have the choice of what kind of pups they are bringing into this world. A breeder needs to ask themself before making a match is: Would this match improve or benefit the breed and its standard. There is a lot involved in breeding. Since your pups may end up being breed too - what mark will your judgment make on the breed. With each decision it can change the breed. We have to ask ourself why we love the breed so much. What about it makes a yorkie a yorkie.

With that being said and as other mentioned, you have to first know the yorkshire terrier standard. Do you know your girl's pedigree? What tests has she passed, since health issues can be passed on? How does she compare to the standrad. Then if she passes, you have to make a decision on which stud, bassed on the same satandards. How does he match the standard? Is he of good quality compared to the standard. What tests has he passed? What improvements will he make? What is his pedigree? When making a match you want to make sure he compliments your girl. There is so much involved in the decision. I personally would want to make sure both are AKC or Canadian KC.


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