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Lady of Yorkies · 11-20-2005, 03:19 PM

We lost the little boy earlier this afternoon. He died with a full tummy tho. I tried to get both mommies to nurse them and the little boy just wouldn't open his mouth for a teat. He didn't want the bottle but with the slow drip he would swallow. I guess I was just too late noticing they needed help.

Daddy lost his little Rosebud just a few minutes ago. We left the little boy in the tub with Autumn so she would know that he was gone and we went out for a little while. When we came back she met me at the door and wanted me to do something about him. I found Rosebud off by herself and cold. I warmed a towel up and the formula and we warmed her up but she wouldn't eat. I think the combination of being so small, losing weight and then getting chilled did the little thing in. Rosebud and the little boy were always together and sometimes away from the other two. I never saw Autumn push them away. I think they did it themselves. All 4 of these babies were travelers, right from the first few moments after they were born they were crawling around. I never saw Autumn try to separate the bigger ones from the little ones. I guess either I need to watch more closely when I have such small ones or it just wasn't meant for these two to live.

Thanks to all of you who tried to help. Sylvia

PS: Kim, I see the sense in what you said, it just never occured to me not to dock their tails because of their size. Sylvia

txshopper73 · 11-20-2005, 03:25 PM

Oh, Sylvia. I am so sorry!

Things like this are expected in breeding these furbabies. My thoughts are with you.

angelbaby's mom · 11-20-2005, 03:27 PM

Sylvia, I am so sorry about your loss. You must be very sad. You are in my thoughts & prayers. God speed to you and your babies.

Lady of Yorkies · 11-20-2005, 03:28 PM

Yeah, I know. I just feel so bad for my husband. You know, he's a MAN and can't cry about it. I told him not to get too attached. I didn't know which ones I might keep or which ones I might sell. I just didn't watch close enough I guess. Yorkies are a whole new world to me. Sylvia

Bentley&BitsysMom · 11-20-2005, 03:29 PM

So very sorry for you and to hear this news

chattiesmom · 11-20-2005, 03:53 PM

Sylvia, my heart goes out to you.... I know how much it hurts to lose a baby and to lose two in one day..... way too much sorry.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-20-2005, 04:16 PM

Oh Sylvia~

I don't know what to say ...I am so sorry because I know how hard you tried and sometimes all the effort in the world just isn't enough. I applaud you for your efforts nad I grieve with you for your loss.

I only said what I did about the tails and dew claws to help someone in a similar situation in the future maybe. I just love a long tail on a yorkie and if a breeder knows the puppy will only be a pet, then I sometimes think we should maybe forego the tail docking...just a thought. I am sure it wouldn't have mattered in this case as these two were meant to be angels apparently so

May they rest in peace.............little angel yorkies.

troubletb · 11-20-2005, 04:16 PM

Thats is why its so hard to breed these tiny babies.. I'm so sorry for your lose.
I'm glad that you have two that are very healthy..
And it might not have been the tail docking, you might never know what it was.

Julz · 11-20-2005, 06:43 PM

I am so sorry you lost your two little ones. I hope your other 2 will thrive and bring you much happiness.

YorkieRose · 11-21-2005, 04:01 AM

I am so sorry to hear about these pups.
Do not blame yourself....many vets learn things in vet school that just does not work in the real world. They have told breeders that tails must come off no later then 3 days..infact one of the vets were I used to go, refused to dock them if the pup was past 3 days.
It is one of the reason my vet taught me how to do it...that way I could wait until they were at least 6 oz and sometimes in a litter that would mean 3 or 4 visits to get them all docked..so we did it at home.

Also, if the tails are cut, there is enough blood loss to cause a problem for a tiny pup..clamp and twist prevents blood loss..even a 6 oz does not need to lose any blood...best wishes,a gain I am so sorry.

PS...and as said before, it could have been something else and the shock of th tail docking caused them to go down.

sylvan · 11-21-2005, 04:12 AM

I am very sorry to hear of your loss.

CC's · 11-21-2005, 09:51 AM

I'm so sorry they didn't make it.

Snow Yorkies · 11-21-2005, 09:56 AM

I am so,so sorry to hear of your loss. It is heartbreaking when we lose these little ones. I to lost one not that long ago and that pain is still fresh in my mind & heart. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

Diego · 11-21-2005, 10:08 AM

I am so sorry to hear about the little ones . You are in my thoughts and prayers .

yorkiegal719 · 11-23-2005, 10:00 AM

Oh Sylvia, I'm just now catching up on everyone, and I am so sorry to read about this. I guess it's something that we all will have to deal with if we breed at one time or another. Please hold on to those two other little ones and cherish them because they now really are special

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11-20-2005, 03:19 PM	#1
Lady of Yorkies YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,364	Update on Autumn's babies We lost the little boy earlier this afternoon. He died with a full tummy tho. I tried to get both mommies to nurse them and the little boy just wouldn't open his mouth for a teat. He didn't want the bottle but with the slow drip he would swallow. I guess I was just too late noticing they needed help. Daddy lost his little Rosebud just a few minutes ago. We left the little boy in the tub with Autumn so she would know that he was gone and we went out for a little while. When we came back she met me at the door and wanted me to do something about him. I found Rosebud off by herself and cold. I warmed a towel up and the formula and we warmed her up but she wouldn't eat. I think the combination of being so small, losing weight and then getting chilled did the little thing in. Rosebud and the little boy were always together and sometimes away from the other two. I never saw Autumn push them away. I think they did it themselves. All 4 of these babies were travelers, right from the first few moments after they were born they were crawling around. I never saw Autumn try to separate the bigger ones from the little ones. I guess either I need to watch more closely when I have such small ones or it just wasn't meant for these two to live. Thanks to all of you who tried to help. Sylvia PS: Kim, I see the sense in what you said, it just never occured to me not to dock their tails because of their size. Sylvia

11-20-2005, 03:25 PM	#2
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Victoria, Texas Posts: 14,178 Blog Entries: 1	Oh, Sylvia. I am so sorry! Things like this are expected in breeding these furbabies. My thoughts are with you. __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley Gracie, London and Dallas

11-20-2005, 03:29 PM	#5
Bentley&BitsysMom Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Charlotte Posts: 2,836	So very sorry for you and to hear this news __________________ Michelle BENTLEY, BITSY, CHARLIE, & BAILEY'S Mommy Dogster Pagehttp://www.dogster.com/?145000

11-20-2005, 03:53 PM	#6
chattiesmom Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,516	Sylvia, my heart goes out to you.... I know how much it hurts to lose a baby and to lose two in one day..... way too much sorry. __________________ *Yorkie Yummies Silk Step-In Harnesses * NapSaks Click on the links above for order information!**

11-20-2005, 04:16 PM	#8
troubletb Love my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Port Richey, Florida Posts: 2,244	Thats is why its so hard to breed these tiny babies.. I'm so sorry for your lose. I'm glad that you have two that are very healthy.. And it might not have been the tail docking, you might never know what it was. __________________ Karen~ Bell, Lilly and Peter's Mom http://www.freewebs.com/floridayorkies/

11-20-2005, 03:27 PM	#3
angelbaby's mom YT Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: OK, but Texas soon! Posts: 326	Sylvia, I am so sorry about your loss. You must be very sad. You are in my thoughts & prayers. God speed to you and your babies.

11-20-2005, 03:28 PM	#4
Lady of Yorkies YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,364	Yeah, I know. I just feel so bad for my husband. You know, he's a MAN and can't cry about it. I told him not to get too attached. I didn't know which ones I might keep or which ones I might sell. I just didn't watch close enough I guess. Yorkies are a whole new world to me. Sylvia

11-20-2005, 04:16 PM	#7
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	Oh Sylvia~ I don't know what to say ...I am so sorry because I know how hard you tried and sometimes all the effort in the world just isn't enough. I applaud you for your efforts nad I grieve with you for your loss. I only said what I did about the tails and dew claws to help someone in a similar situation in the future maybe. I just love a long tail on a yorkie and if a breeder knows the puppy will only be a pet, then I sometimes think we should maybe forego the tail docking...just a thought. I am sure it wouldn't have mattered in this case as these two were meant to be angels apparently so May they rest in peace.............little angel yorkies.

11-20-2005, 06:43 PM	#9
Julz Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 4,208	I am so sorry you lost your two little ones. I hope your other 2 will thrive and bring you much happiness.

11-21-2005, 04:01 AM	#10
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	pups I am so sorry to hear about these pups. Do not blame yourself....many vets learn things in vet school that just does not work in the real world. They have told breeders that tails must come off no later then 3 days..infact one of the vets were I used to go, refused to dock them if the pup was past 3 days. It is one of the reason my vet taught me how to do it...that way I could wait until they were at least 6 oz and sometimes in a litter that would mean 3 or 4 visits to get them all docked..so we did it at home. Also, if the tails are cut, there is enough blood loss to cause a problem for a tiny pup..clamp and twist prevents blood loss..even a 6 oz does not need to lose any blood...best wishes,a gain I am so sorry. PS...and as said before, it could have been something else and the shock of th tail docking caused them to go down. __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

11-21-2005, 04:12 AM	#11
sylvan YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 2,484	I am very sorry to hear of your loss.

11-21-2005, 09:51 AM	#12
CC's YT Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 397	I'm so sorry they didn't make it.

11-21-2005, 09:56 AM	#13
Snow Yorkies Biewer Passionate Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southern AL Posts: 1,666	I am so,so sorry to hear of your loss. It is heartbreaking when we lose these little ones. I to lost one not that long ago and that pain is still fresh in my mind & heart. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. __________________ Dare to Dream Biewers Charter Member of BYTNC

11-21-2005, 10:08 AM	#14
Diego YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3,130	I am so sorry to hear about the little ones . You are in my thoughts and prayers .

11-23-2005, 10:00 AM	#15
yorkiegal719 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 602	Oh Sylvia, I'm just now catching up on everyone, and I am so sorry to read about this. I guess it's something that we all will have to deal with if we breed at one time or another. Please hold on to those two other little ones and cherish them because they now really are special ... __________________ Theresa & The Boys +1 The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue