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flyorkies · 11-18-2005, 06:54 AM

still in the proces of learning.thats why im keeping this thread going the more i learn the better!found out the eukanuba dog show will be in tampa in january akc emailed it to me. im in the process of buying tickets. i did find a list of some nearby smaller shows but im still checking it out.heck maybe i will be able to learn enough to buy a good looking yorkie and enter myself in some dog shows i know its alot of work but sounds fun!

flyorkies · 11-18-2005, 07:02 AM

just wanted to let you know that other people wanted to see pics of my female so thats why i posted them. i can see some flaws and im not expecting a whole new evaluation. if people want to reply with there comments i will still gladly take advise that they have to give.

crystalsmom · 11-18-2005, 07:05 AM

but do remember breeding to the standard is not just to enter a dog show; it is so
we don't lose the breed by so many breeding in an unethical manner. The yorkie
in Ohio is already looking like something I have never seen before. You really have
to say "Is That A Yorkie"?? Yes, it would be fun if someday you could show but it
takes alot of money and alot of hard work but if that becomes your dream....go
for it.

wnalegria · 11-18-2005, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by flyorkies

still in the proces of learning.thats why im keeping this thread going the more i learn the better!found out the eukanuba dog show will be in tampa in january akc emailed it to me. im in the process of buying tickets. i did find a list of some nearby smaller shows but im still checking it out.heck maybe i will be able to learn enough to buy a good looking yorkie and enter myself in some dog shows i know its alot of work but sounds fun!

I think that you are putting the cart before the horse. get yourself the mentor. A good looking yorkie does not mean it is show quality. There is a lot more involved to showing a dog then just buying it. You need to learn how to show a dog and how to groom your dog for show. You need to know how old a dog needs to be to be entered and it goes on and on.

The chances of a good reputable breeder selling you a show puppy are next to nill. You need to do your research - go to some shows- buy books on the breed- learn the pedigrees- talk to experienced breeders and learn, learn and learn. Read the old threads on YT, read about genetics, read about raising a litter of puppies learn about the care needed for a pregnant mom. The list goes on and on it takes baby steps to do it right. Otherwise you are like a person trying to fly a plane with no instruction. trying to do this by the seat of the pants will hurt any dogs that you purchase and anyone who might purchase a puppy that you might breed.

flyorkies · 11-18-2005, 07:21 AM

unfortunitly i wouldnt breed if i bought a pup for show. i didnt buy my two yorkies that i have now to breed i bought them as pets. i just had the idea to breed them so i can have more yorkies of my own rather then buying more but didnt want to do so if i would be destroying the yorkie breed thats trully why i started this thread to see if my sampson would be ok to breed.now the going price around here is 1000 dollars a yorkie if im going to spend that much for a yorkie then i might as well flip the bill and buy one that is worth 1000 dollars then i can get into the showing part of having yorkies. i get get my puppy/delivery fix with a friends yorkies.just helped deliver a couple. i just think it would be wrong to go out and buy 2 yorkies just to breed them. i also dont want to have a kennel in my yard/house with 2 or 3 show yorkies and then have my others that dont cut it.thats too much seen this with some handlers up north. this wouldnt be fair .

so im not breeding my male

as for my female not decided yet .

as for the future we will get another yorkie and maybe show that one AFTER I LEARN MORE

crystalsmom · 11-18-2005, 07:31 AM

it's alot to take in, right now, but showing is about breeding. Believe me if you spend
$4,000 to get a championship on your male or female that you purchased when
someone got to know you over yrs and trusted you with to show, you would breed.
You would never buy show potential younger than 6 mos and you could be taken
advantage of by people who have just found a problem with their 6 mo old that
is why the advise they gave you about learning as much as you possibly can before
you even think of this will help you so very much.

Tx2Stepn · 11-18-2005, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyorkies

unfortunitly i wouldnt breed if i bought a pup for show. i didnt buy my two yorkies that i have now to breed i bought them as pets. i just had the idea to breed them so i can have more yorkies of my own rather then buying more but didnt want to do so if i would be destroying the yorkie breed thats trully why i started this thread to see if my sampson would be ok to breed.now the going price around here is 1000 dollars a yorkie if im going to spend that much for a yorkie then i might as well flip the bill and buy one that is worth 1000 dollars then i can get into the showing part of having yorkies. i get get my puppy/delivery fix with a friends yorkies.just helped deliver a couple. i just think it would be wrong to go out and buy 2 yorkies just to breed them. i also dont want to have a kennel in my yard/house with 2 or 3 show yorkies and then have my others that dont cut it.thats too much seen this with some handlers up north. this wouldnt be fair .

so im not breeding my male

as for my female not decided yet .

as for the future we will get another yorkie and maybe show that one AFTER I LEARN MORE

This is much easier said than done. Show breeders do not sell to someone that is not showing unless they have a mentor that is known in the "show world" and they have an agreement that the dog will be shown and finished. They also will sometimes want to co-own the dog. The mentor is not going to put his/her reputation on the line until they know you are in it for the long haul. The show world is very political in more ways than one but to me it is worth it. I have been very blessed with a great friend that realized I was serious and she has mentored me. She was a handler and showed for 20 years or so. She now shows just her own dogs (Maltese), but she has taken me in under her wing and taught me a lot. I'm still learning and will continue to learn for some time. Be prepared for a lot of learning and really hard work. And be prepared to pay more than a $1,000 for a show quality dog. Remember, a mentor to help you to find a dog because he/she will be more experienced in evaluating the prospects.

wnalegria · 11-18-2005, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyorkies

unfortunitly i wouldnt breed if i bought a pup for show. i didnt buy my two yorkies that i have now to breed i bought them as pets. i just had the idea to breed them so i can have more yorkies of my own rather then buying more but didnt want to do so if i would be destroying the yorkie breed thats trully why i started this thread to see if my sampson would be ok to breed.now the going price around here is 1000 dollars a yorkie if im going to spend that much for a yorkie then i might as well flip the bill and buy one that is worth 1000 dollars then i can get into the showing part of having yorkies. i get get my puppy/delivery fix with a friends yorkies.just helped deliver a couple. i just think it would be wrong to go out and buy 2 yorkies just to breed them. i also dont want to have a kennel in my yard/house with 2 or 3 show yorkies and then have my others that dont cut it.thats too much seen this with some handlers up north. this wouldnt be fair .

so im not breeding my male

as for my female not decided yet .

as for the future we will get another yorkie and maybe show that one AFTER I LEARN MORE

Your post mentions handlers. if you know handlers you could have spoke to them at any time or asked them for a referral for a toy breed handler who could have evaluated your dogs. Sounds like you are yanking our chains and we bit. Tag you are it.

txshopper73 · 11-18-2005, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by wnalegria

Your post mentions handlers. if you know handlers you could have spoke to them at any time or asked them for a referral for a toy breed handler who could have evaluated your dogs. Sounds like you are yanking our chains and we bit. Tag you are it.

hhmmmmmm.....

YorkieRose · 11-18-2005, 12:44 PM

When you see a large heavy ear, 99% of the time it just "ain't" going up no matter what you as the pet owner does. They are genetically programmed to be down..it is not your fault...some breeder will blame the pet owner for not taping, whatever..believe me, the breeder knows it is their fault and should not have used flopped eared stock..either parents or grandparents.

You didn't get your Yorks from Betty in Steinhatchee did you?

flyorkies · 11-18-2005, 01:09 PM

actually if you read the whole thing you would have seen that i said handlers up north. i live in florida. the only handler that i had known was about 11 years ago before i moved here when i cared for all these show dogs that were locked up in a cage all the time just to be shown.i have never talked to these people since i worked for them i actually quit that job because those dogs lived a life in a small cage and nothing else.as far as the handler he didnt give a poop about any of those dogs! the whole reason i brought that up was because i dont want to treat dogs that way. that was my point. and im sorry if i offended you in any way but im not yanking anyones chain! i had a simple question of whether or not my male was ok to breed. if i knew breeders and handlers at this very moment i would not have had to start this post. my question was answered a couple people asked further questions and i replied back to each person individually. the show dog part was just inched in there with some posts and replys i have written over and over that i was trying to LEARN and i have stated the reason why this thread was started. i understand that showing takes alot of work but not as easy as i thought . didnt know i needed a mentor and so on. thats why i stated that i wanted to LEARN FIRST and "MAYBE " try to show in the future i didnt mean i was trying to run out and enter a show tommaro.

flyorkies · 11-18-2005, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

When you see a large heavy ear, 99% of the time it just "ain't" going up no matter what you as the pet owner does. They are genetically programmed to be down..it is not your fault...some breeder will blame the pet owner for not taping, whatever..believe me, the breeder knows it is their fault and should not have used flopped eared stock..either parents or grandparents.

You didn't get your Yorks from Betty in Steinhatchee did you?

no i didnt get my pups from that person.i say its my fault cause they were up a couple times and from me not keeping there ears shaved that why i assumed it was my fault. could be genetic both of there parents ears were up. if i can find earlier pics of the pups i think i have one with there ears up. i will have to dig somemore for those pics. anyway ive already been convinced not to breed them so thanks for your input

YorkyMommy · 11-18-2005, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by flyorkies

i actually quit that job because those dogs lived a life in a small cage and nothing else.as far as the handler he didnt give a poop about any of those dogs!

One thing I think I got from this whole thread is that it is wonderful to see someone concerned in learning about breeding yorkies correctly, someone concerned with giving her own dogs a loving, thoughtful home (free of cages) and someone who cares enough to be open to others opinions without judgement. Good for you flyorkies! Sounds like your yorkies are lucky to have you.

HisNameIsHarley · 11-18-2005, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkyMommy

One thing I think I got from this whole thread is that it is wonderful to see someone concerned in learning about breeding yorkies correctly, someone concerned with giving her own dogs a loving, thoughtful home (free of cages) and someone who cares enough to be open to others opinions without judgement. Good for you flyorkies! Sounds like your yorkies are lucky to have you.

I agree.. I'm just glad that flyorkies was concerned enough to post the thread and answer and ask so many questions. But definately listen to Kathy (wnalegria) and understand that she is in no way I'm sure trying to offend you. She just really knows what she's doing and does her very best to keep the breed going in the right direction!

There have been A LOT of very honest, useful and informative replies to the thread and I myself am hearing the same old tune I heard when I posted my own "should I breed" thread!

So don't feel too alone here! I'm right here with ya!

Baby steps.. LOTS of baby steps!

susansmom · 11-19-2005, 05:35 AM

I SO agree with aimeeyork! Flyorkies didn't have to start the thread and expose herself and her dog to critique. That's always a difficult but honorable thing to do. I think that willingness to be open to new information, to be realistic and perhaps even to rethink a position or project from scratch indicates a character that would make a fine breeder or professional of any kind. Way to go, Flyorkies! I've had supervisors with PhDs and years of administrative experience who could learn something from you.

11-18-2005, 07:05 AM	#48
crystalsmom Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Stow, Oh Posts: 4,937	but do remember breeding to the standard is not just to enter a dog show; it is so we don't lose the breed by so many breeding in an unethical manner. The yorkie in Ohio is already looking like something I have never seen before. You really have to say "Is That A Yorkie"?? Yes, it would be fun if someday you could show but it takes alot of money and alot of hard work but if that becomes your dream....go for it. __________________ Joan

11-18-2005, 07:21 AM	#50
flyorkies Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: florida Posts: 177	unfortunitly i wouldnt breed if i bought a pup for show. i didnt buy my two yorkies that i have now to breed i bought them as pets. i just had the idea to breed them so i can have more yorkies of my own rather then buying more but didnt want to do so if i would be destroying the yorkie breed thats trully why i started this thread to see if my sampson would be ok to breed.now the going price around here is 1000 dollars a yorkie if im going to spend that much for a yorkie then i might as well flip the bill and buy one that is worth 1000 dollars then i can get into the showing part of having yorkies. i get get my puppy/delivery fix with a friends yorkies.just helped deliver a couple. i just think it would be wrong to go out and buy 2 yorkies just to breed them. i also dont want to have a kennel in my yard/house with 2 or 3 show yorkies and then have my others that dont cut it.thats too much seen this with some handlers up north. this wouldnt be fair . so im not breeding my male as for my female not decided yet . as for the future we will get another yorkie and maybe show that one AFTER I LEARN MORE Last edited by flyorkies; 11-18-2005 at 07:25 AM.

11-18-2005, 07:31 AM	#51
crystalsmom Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Stow, Oh Posts: 4,937	it's alot to take in, right now, but showing is about breeding. Believe me if you spend $4,000 to get a championship on your male or female that you purchased when someone got to know you over yrs and trusted you with to show, you would breed. You would never buy show potential younger than 6 mos and you could be taken advantage of by people who have just found a problem with their 6 mo old that is why the advise they gave you about learning as much as you possibly can before you even think of this will help you so very much. __________________ Joan

11-18-2005, 12:44 PM	#55
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	ears When you see a large heavy ear, 99% of the time it just "ain't" going up no matter what you as the pet owner does. They are genetically programmed to be down..it is not your fault...some breeder will blame the pet owner for not taping, whatever..believe me, the breeder knows it is their fault and should not have used flopped eared stock..either parents or grandparents. You didn't get your Yorks from Betty in Steinhatchee did you? __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

11-18-2005, 06:54 AM	#46
flyorkies Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: florida Posts: 177	still in the proces of learning.thats why im keeping this thread going the more i learn the better!found out the eukanuba dog show will be in tampa in january akc emailed it to me. im in the process of buying tickets. i did find a list of some nearby smaller shows but im still checking it out.heck maybe i will be able to learn enough to buy a good looking yorkie and enter myself in some dog shows i know its alot of work but sounds fun!

11-18-2005, 07:02 AM	#47
flyorkies Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: florida Posts: 177	just wanted to let you know that other people wanted to see pics of my female so thats why i posted them. i can see some flaws and im not expecting a whole new evaluation. if people want to reply with there comments i will still gladly take advise that they have to give.

11-18-2005, 01:09 PM	#56
flyorkies Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: florida Posts: 177	actually if you read the whole thing you would have seen that i said handlers up north. i live in florida. the only handler that i had known was about 11 years ago before i moved here when i cared for all these show dogs that were locked up in a cage all the time just to be shown.i have never talked to these people since i worked for them i actually quit that job because those dogs lived a life in a small cage and nothing else.as far as the handler he didnt give a poop about any of those dogs! the whole reason i brought that up was because i dont want to treat dogs that way. that was my point. and im sorry if i offended you in any way but im not yanking anyones chain! i had a simple question of whether or not my male was ok to breed. if i knew breeders and handlers at this very moment i would not have had to start this post. my question was answered a couple people asked further questions and i replied back to each person individually. the show dog part was just inched in there with some posts and replys i have written over and over that i was trying to LEARN and i have stated the reason why this thread was started. i understand that showing takes alot of work but not as easy as i thought . didnt know i needed a mentor and so on. thats why i stated that i wanted to LEARN FIRST and "MAYBE " try to show in the future i didnt mean i was trying to run out and enter a show tommaro.

11-19-2005, 05:35 AM	#60
susansmom YT Addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Harrison, AR Posts: 347	I SO agree with aimeeyork! Flyorkies didn't have to start the thread and expose herself and her dog to critique. That's always a difficult but honorable thing to do. I think that willingness to be open to new information, to be realistic and perhaps even to rethink a position or project from scratch indicates a character that would make a fine breeder or professional of any kind. Way to go, Flyorkies! I've had supervisors with PhDs and years of administrative experience who could learn something from you.