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02-28-2011, 06:47 AM | #1 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Murphy
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| Intro and runt info needed Hello All, What a blessing to have found a community this evening! Hopefully, someone is still awake and can calm my nerves. My precious 3 year old [COLOR=green !important][COLOR=green !important]Yorkie[/COLOR][/COLOR] gave birth to a litter of SEVEN [COLOR=green !important][COLOR=green !important]puppies[/COLOR][/COLOR] Friday evening. We truly were only expecting four or five and were blown away when 5, 6 and 7 made their debut. Her [COLOR=green !important][COLOR=green !important]delivery[/COLOR][/COLOR] went without incident and she is a phenomenal mom. She is attentive to everyone and welcomes my intervention. My worry is that I have a little male runt. He is at least a 1/3 smaller than the rest of the brood. They are all very small (I suppose due to the large litter number). He seems energetic and does find the nipple to nurse. His little belly just doesn't seem to be as full as his littermates. He is just so terribly small and fragile looking compared to the others. I have removed several of the more vigorous eaters to allow him less competition but I am still concerned. They all see the vet in the morning but I just can't leave him without checking hourly that he is eating and content. Any other advice or experiences with runts would be so helpful and reassuring. Thank You |
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02-28-2011, 12:48 PM | #2 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Murphy
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| Just got back from the vet and the news is not good for my little runt. He said he was too tiny and dehydrated to dock his tail or take of dew claws. He game me a bottle and formula but said the chance was unlikely my little fellow would make it. He is .26 of an ounce. I am in tears but will do everything I possibly can to see this little one through. |
02-28-2011, 01:20 PM | #3 |
YT Addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Missouri
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| Please give me an email and let me know where you live. I will see if I can find any experienced breeders who would be willing to give you a hand. Teresa magnumyorkies@hotmail.com |
02-28-2011, 01:22 PM | #4 | |
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Did the vet give the pup any fluids? If he was de-hydrated, he should have. I don't put much stock in commercial milk formulas. You'll be better off getting some goat's milk (available in cans in the grocery store) and mix it with equal parts water for a supplement. Add in a little karo syrup with it. I would let him nurse but also supplement him. Sometimes the tiny ones will nurse but not get much and wind up using more energy than is in the milk they are getting. For a tiny, using an eyedropper for feeding works well. You can feed drop by drop so there is little chance of the pup aspirating the formula. Also, be sure to hold the pup upright and never feed a chilled pup. A newborn needs to be fed every 2 hours and needs 1 cc per ounce of body weight. Don't over feed him or it could back up and he could aspirate it. Better to feed a little less and more often than to risk that. I know the weight you listed isn't correct. Did you mean 2.6 ounces? That would be a very small pup at 2.6 but I've had some down to 2 ounces and make it. Not all the tinies make it but yours has a chance. He hasn't died yet and that's a good thing. The first few days are critical and each day that passes is a good sign. It's good that your vet didn't do his tail or dewclaws. My vet has been the same way and has put it off for a few days until the pup was thriving. The two most important things for your pup are proper feeding and warmth at this time. At his size, he cannot maintain body heat as well as his littermates and may need to be put in a container where you can keep a bit more heat on him. The thing that worries me is the de-hydration and the vet should have given him fluids. If he didn't, I would call back today and bring him in for some sub-q fluids. A tiny can't take any setback at all and the de-hydration could kill him. if you bring him back to the vet, warm a towel in the dryer and put that in a box to take him in. Don't let any drafts get on him. Keep that baby warm! Feel free to PM me if I can help in any way.
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02-28-2011, 01:57 PM | #5 | |
Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California
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Let me at with this many pups and a wee one too you have your hands full. At this point your biggest concern is keeping your mother healthy. Eclampsia being the biggest concern with a litter this size. Make sure that she is on a calcium supplement, receiving 5 meals a day. A high quality dog food without any soy. There is a whelping pudding recipe at the top the forum in the form of a sticky. Also, order from revivalanimal.com some Oral Cal Plus to keep on hand, very important to have on hand and it can save your mother's life should she exhibit signs of eclampsia..
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02-28-2011, 04:29 PM | #6 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Texas
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| Is the baby boy .26 oz or 2.6 oz??? Did the vet give him a bolus of fluid under his skin???? What do the gums look like??? Are they white or pink??? My littlest dropped to 2.4 oz and I did have to handel her with extra care. Use a eye dropper to feed him. Let him nurse but then feed him also. They do get tired real easy and will stop nursing after a few minutes cause they just don't have the energy. I would definitely do feedings every 2 hours. If mom has not pushed him away and is still taking care of him then I feel he still has a strong chance. Just needs a big helping hand. Don't know where you are at but if you are in or near Texas I can help you. Sending lots of prayers your way!!! |
02-28-2011, 06:09 PM | #7 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Murphy
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| Hello all and thank you for your many kindenesses and well wishes for Tiny Tim. Yes, I am in love with this little fellow and will definitely keep him should he make it through. I took much advice and then added a bunch of common sense as well. 1. His mom is feeding him and not pushing him away so...I am leaving him with her as much as possible and monitoring the competition for nipple time when he is feeding. 2. He does not like the feel of the bottle nipple and I am afraid to force the issue and cause him to inhale the fluids and really get into a serious situation because of my inexperience. I will offer and if he refuses, try the eye dropper or syringe only as a supplement at this time. 3. If I remove all the other pups from the mom so that he can have her all to himself, the mother dog is so concerned about where her other pups are, she won't concentrate on the needy little runt. Better to micromanage the brood together. 4. I know warmth is ultra important, so I have added a heat pad under the bedding and am coddling the runt on my bare skin when he is sleeping. I will monitor him through the night every hour. 5. He is 2.6 and I have purchase a little scale and will stay on top of that. 6. The vet NEVER offered fluids. I will be back there tomorrow! Will keep you posted. Off to the store for a liver to boil and some goats milk just in case. I live in the Great Smoky Mountains of western NC. We are a Native American family (Cherokee). No breeders in our area. I know this because I went through that trying to find a stud and did the research then. |
02-28-2011, 07:36 PM | #8 | |
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06-15-2011, 07:44 AM | #9 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Spring Grove, PA, US
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| I have a 2oz runt male also. The vet said to use Esbalac. Never mentioned goat milk or distilled water. He is not losing but not gaining either. |
06-15-2011, 01:38 PM | #10 |
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| I have raised many 1 and 2 oz pups...but I always tube fed until they got going well...many lived and a some did not..but I always figured it was just not meant to be when the breeder has done all they can to save the pups life. |
06-15-2011, 02:40 PM | #11 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Spring Grove, PA, US
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| Did you use puppy formula or goats milk? |
06-15-2011, 02:45 PM | #12 |
Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Georgia
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| Welcome to YT. Praying for you and Tiny Tim. You came to the right place to get great information. I have a niece that lives in Murphy.
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06-15-2011, 03:22 PM | #13 |
Gidget & Sidney's Mom Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: PA
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| Dumb question - is this an old Feb thread? I'm tired and could be reading dates wrong.
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06-15-2011, 03:23 PM | #14 |
Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Georgia
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| Glad you saw that, I hope the puppies are ok.
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06-15-2011, 03:24 PM | #15 |
Gidget & Sidney's Mom Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: PA
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| Good point - also hope the pups are ok. I wonder if they'll post again and give an update. Also glad you second-checked my eyes!
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