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10-19-2010, 12:31 PM | #1 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: elk creek, mo
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| The pure GOLD yorkies To my understanding there is a few rare colored Yorkies; Chocolate, parti, gold and blonde. I own what I would consider Gold. In the 4 generation pedigree there is no where to be traced a Gold. Her entire body is solid gold, with a red cast at some areas. Could I consider her gold? Or do they have to have a gold in the pedigree. I know these "rare" colors were formed some how and she might be possibly the first one in her pedigree to get this color. As in enough blue/golds her her pedigree and the right genes gave her that color.I plan on breeding her at her next cycle, im really anxious to see her puppies. She will be bred to my traditional Yorkie so if she is the real Gold then the pups would just be carriers. Just would love to know your opinion on this. |
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10-19-2010, 12:48 PM | #2 |
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| i have a friend that breeds golds, blondes, and parti i could give you her email if you would like to talk to her.. she is very good at it..and typically has gold and blonde puppies...very pretty 43aa04ce-1a91-4a77-98c8-f25e0ed806f9 1.03.01 |
10-19-2010, 01:03 PM | #3 |
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| Remember as you read that you did ask for opinions.... As pretty as she probably is (I've seen some pure gold Yorkies that were gorgeous), it is actually considered a color fault and the YTCA does NOT recommend breeding them. The idea of breeding is to pick the best representatives of the breed, going by the established standard. Just as you would not want to breed one way over the weight standard, one with curly hair, one with a long pointy nose, etc..., you also would not pick a gold yorkie to breed. Before breeding a person should really get a seasoned breeder that actually has shown her dogs and adheres to the YTCA ethics, look over both sire and dam for conformation. A vet should check them over and run blood tests to ensure they are not only in good health, but also do not carry any genetic faults that will passed along. Although they are not as common as the blue and gold/black and tan yorkies (the only colors actually on the Yorkie AKC registration forms), I am not sure color faults are all that rare. Especially since so many have tried to breed for the parti-colors. I think that has increased the numbers of many of the single colors as well as the ones that have white on them. Ultimately it is up to you, but I thought I'd pass on the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America recommendations. My personal feelings is that we should only breed to standard and not dilute the Yorkshire Terrier's gene pool, but I realize some feel differently. Still, I hope you will reconsider wanting to breed a pure gold yorkie. I do look forward to seeing her pic though!
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10-19-2010, 01:10 PM | #4 |
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| Here is the reference at YTCA: Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards) And another explanation: Top Yorkie Genetics Chocolate Yorkies Chocolate Yorkie Red Golden Blue Born Yorkshire Terrier that includes a pic of the gold or fawn color puppy,along with others like the blue-born and chocolate.
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10-19-2010, 01:22 PM | #5 |
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| A gold or any other color that is not accepted within the standard is considered a fault.
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10-19-2010, 02:53 PM | #6 |
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| With yorkies - "Rare" is Not a good term. Once you read and understand the standard and genetics - you learn this is a bad thing and should not be bred for nor should breed a yorkie of this color. It should not bring in a higher price either, but actually should be a lower price. One should breed for quality, not rarity (making others Think it is better when it is not.) This would be deception. I just wanted to make sure other readers that did not know this be informed. You know how one thing gets started and then others think it to be true when in reality it is just the opposite. As others have stated it is best to be well informed when breeding and you should really know the standard. Also do the health testing on your dogs before breeding to know if they should be breed. Last edited by topknot; 10-19-2010 at 02:57 PM. |
10-19-2010, 03:44 PM | #7 |
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| Thank you guys for all the answers! I will continue to research this! |
10-19-2010, 03:52 PM | #8 | |
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Several resource books and websites. YTCA.org Joan Gordon's book on the Yorkshire Terrier Some of these so called "rare" colored yorkies do come with health issues. I'm not sure how far you've got into your research for breeding. My suggesting is learn all you can before you embark on such an endeavor. There is also some great information on breeding in the library.
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10-20-2010, 05:08 AM | #9 |
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| There is a big difference in being born gold and turning gold with age. Running gold is a fault which I do not see in Yorkies as in years past...remember, I was a Yorkie groomer...I have seen a born standard color Yorkie turn almost all gold over a period of 3 yr or so...in the sun it would have a reddish cast. I would not breed a Yorkie prone to the slightest bit of running gold...let alone being born gold. Last edited by YorkieRose; 10-20-2010 at 05:10 AM. |
10-20-2010, 11:54 AM | #10 |
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| Pure Gold If you dog was born gold (solid Light gold) then she carries a recessive gene. In order for her to produce gold puppies she would need to be bred to a born gold male also (carrying the recessive gene). If bred to a traditional her puppies will indeed be carriers. My first golden was born from two traditionals that belonged to me and they were a great shock. This was 10 or more years ago and I didnt register them because I thought they werent accepted at that time. Today they are registered as "Tan" and there are a number of gold breeders over the country. If you buy one just make sure it was born golden and not one that has turned golden with age. |
10-20-2010, 12:25 PM | #11 | |
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I agree with you whole heartedly. I would neither breed or sell a born gold. Pups such as these should be "placed" in a loving pet home.
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10-20-2010, 09:33 PM | #12 | |
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10-20-2010, 11:35 PM | #13 |
No Longer a Member | Of course they're cute puppies, dont know that I've ever seen an ugly puppy. I would imagine that they would have the same health concerns as any regular yorkie would, maybe more depending on what kind of breeder was producing them. Could be one that randomly got one out of 2 standard yorkies, or it could be someone purposely breeding for this "rare" color... |
10-20-2010, 11:51 PM | #14 |
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| maybe I'm crazy but when I see them I don't see 'yorkies', I see adorable puppies that could pass for morkies or maltipoos or even future westies. they are cute but look so much like so many crossbreeds... I think the standard colors (I'm not speaking biewers) is what makes yorkies look like yorkies. Biewers are a whole 'nother subject. I believe that one day in the future, they will probably have a category in the show world and eventually compete not unlike long hair dachshunds vs short hair ones, which are both shown. jmho....
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