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Old 06-29-2010, 04:35 AM   #1
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I have to follow up on a topic with faults and genetics....

I'll start off by saying I do not know everything about genetics but it was said that the color or off color in the yorkies is not caused by genetics well I have to disagree because just like a bad ear set, under bite, overshot bite, wrong coat texture, bad topline, low tail set ect....all plays into genetics. The reason we breed to standard is just that...genetics play a BIG part in breeding.
Knowing a dog has a bad rear, bad fronts or a bad topline you don't breed that animal because you'll pick up those "GENES" and that is "genetics". Just as in color it's in the "GENES"! So, being called wrong in that color is not genetic. The yorkie has to be a "CARRIER" which in terms means "GENETICS".
So when breeding and you get all those faults it's in the "GENES" of the dog your breeding so therefore it's "GENETIC".
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Let me also add....when breeding to the standard set forth by the YTCA for the "Yorkshire Terrier" you want to breed out the faults that are not desired for what the standard calls for. Until that changes the off color yorkie is not within the standard set forth by the YTCA and not allowed to show in AKC shows. I'm not saying they are not a yorkshire terrier but they do not conform to the standard. Until that changes (which is not going to change anytime in the near future) one must strive to keep the breed standard as close as possible. Although, the off color yorkie is not a life threatening genetic fault it is considered a major fault within the yorkie standard just like a bad topline, bad ear set, undershot bite, overshot bite, bad fronts and bad rears...not good traits to have to conform to the yorkie standard.

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i too have to agree with you too Donna. It is always genetics, just like eye and hair color plays a role in our DNA. It is all genetics.

Now, sometimes, if a yorkie lost some of their coat/hair from an accident or health problem in a particular area on them, this area will most always grow back darker than before. But this would be different. I am not talking about grooming where you clip the area, but where hair is lost from the skin completely.

But just normal hair color, structure, bites, ears, etc... - this is genetics.
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Yes I agree it's genetics. I think the argument with the Biewer/Parti is that it is a fault that should be accepted into the standard, not that it not genetic throwback.
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Let me also add....when breeding to the standard set forth by the YTCA for the "Yorkshire Terrier" you want to breed out the faults that are not desired for what the standard calls for. Until that changes the off color yorkie is not within the standard set forth by the YTCA and not allowed to show in AKC shows. I'm not saying they are not a yorkshire terrier but they do not conform to the standard. Until that changes (which is not going to change anytime in the near future) one must strive to keep the breed standard as close as possible. Although, the off color yorkie is not a life threatening genetic fault it is considered a major fault within the yorkie standard just like a bad topline, bad ear set, undershot bite, overshot bite, bad fronts and bad rears...not good traits to have to conform to the yorkie standard.

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Yes! I think we all need to remember why we fell in love with this breed and to keep to the standard. If we do not stick with this, we change the breed into something that is not the breed and not what it was meant to be. JMO
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Yes I agree it's genetics. I think the argument with the Biewer/Parti is that it is a fault that should be accepted into the standard, not that it not genetic throwback.
A bad topline or a low tail set is a genetic throwback....you get the idea

Well, yes of course it's wanted to be accepted but unfortunately it's not going too because it's not what a standard yorkie should look like but of course that is my opinion. In my opinion a black and tan yorkie shouldn't be accepted in the show ring either because it's not the desired look. But it's in the color section of the AKC accepted colors but I won't show a "black" and tan yorkie in the show ring nor try to breed for the "black" and tan yorkie. Although, I think they are pretty and nothing against them they shouldn't be shown because it's NOT correct just like the Parti color. Not that I don't think they are pretty they just aren't what the standard calls for. It's called following a simple rule and it's the standard.

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Let me also add....when breeding to the standard set forth by the YTCA for the "Yorkshire Terrier" you want to breed out the faults that are not desired for what the standard calls for. Until that changes the off color yorkie is not within the standard set forth by the YTCA and not allowed to show in AKC shows. I'm not saying they are not a yorkshire terrier but they do not conform to the standard. Until that changes (which is not going to change anytime in the near future) one must strive to keep the breed standard as close as possible. Although, the off color yorkie is not a life threatening genetic fault it is considered a major fault within the yorkie standard just like a bad topline, bad ear set, undershot bite, overshot bite, bad fronts and bad rears...not good traits to have to conform to the yorkie standard.

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Absolutely Donna,

Let me add the off colored yorkie is identified as a fault within the standard, and the only fault that a dog can be Disqualified for in the ring. With that said; the AKC/YTCA has placed that much importance on it.

As you said color fault is not life threatening.....however, born blue pups have been known to have health issues.
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A bad topline or a low tail set is a genetic throwback....you get the idea

Well, yes of course it's wanted to be accepted but unfortunately it's not going too because it's not what a standard yorkie should look like but of course that is my opinion. In my opinion a black and tan yorkie shouldn't be accepted in the show ring either because it's not the desired look. But it's in the color section of the AKC accepted colors but I won't show a "black" and tan yorkie in the show ring nor try to breed for the "black" and tan yorkie. Although, I think they are pretty and nothing against them they shouldn't be shown because it's NOT correct just like the Parti color. Not that I don't think they are pretty they just aren't what the standard calls for. It's called following a simple rule and it's the standard.

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Let me add...I LOVE my black and tan yorkie she's the love of my life but she's not for the show ring
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A bad topline or a low tail set is a genetic throwback....you get the idea

Well, yes of course it's wanted to be accepted but unfortunately it's not going too because it's not what a standard yorkie should look like but of course that is my opinion. In my opinion a black and tan yorkie shouldn't be accepted in the show ring either because it's not the desired look. But it's in the color section of the AKC accepted colors but I won't show a "black" and tan yorkie in the show ring nor try to breed for the "black" and tan yorkie. Although, I think they are pretty and nothing against them they shouldn't be shown because it's NOT correct just like the Parti color. Not that I don't think they are pretty they just aren't what the standard calls for. It's called following a simple rule and it's the standard.

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You know what? I think I agree with you! All yorkies should be loved but black and tan and partis should just be adored pets, not for the show.
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As you said color fault is not life threatening.....however, born blue pups have been known to have health issues.
Wow really? What sort of health risk?
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Wow really? What sort of health risk?
I know blue born yorkies can have major skin issues as in coat loss and all sorts of skin issues. Not sure what the other health issues are but I've seen an adult blue born yorkie and oh the skin issue and coat loss was sad looking. Although the yorkie was otherwise healthy but the skin issue wasn't or isn't something I would want. The yorkie is loved and cared for and was/is the love of my friends life it was just sad to see what she had to do to keep the skin healthy.

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I know blue born yorkies can have major skin issues as in coat loss and all sorts of skin issues. Not sure what the other health issues are but I've seen an adult blue born yorkie and oh the skin issue and coat loss was sad looking. Although the yorkie was otherwise healthy but the skin issue wasn't or isn't something I would want. The yorkie is loved and cared for and was/is the love of my friends life it was just sad to see what she had to do to keep the skin healthy.

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Skin issue like dandruff or allergy sort of thing?

By blue born pup, do you mean instead of being born black and tan, they is blue and tan? What kind of breeding produces that? Or is that when the dogs not tested before mating?
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blue born yorkies are known to have heart issues....also from what i have read they dont live as long as "standard" yorkies.....i read that on ask.com once!!
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Skin issue like dandruff or allergy sort of thing?

By blue born pup, do you mean instead of being born black and tan, they is blue and tan? What kind of breeding produces that? Or is that when the dogs not tested before mating?
I think hers were allergy related didn't look like dandruff just patches of hair loss and with no hair. Yes, it's born blue not much tan. It's a gene that the yorkie has but if breeding is done correctly it should not show up but again, playing with genetics it can happen. There is not a test to show what carries the blue born pup that I know of. I don't know much about the blue born puppies as I've never had one and how it happens but that is genetics. Complicated for sure.
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I think hers were allergy related didn't look like dandruff just patches of hair loss and with no hair. Yes, it's born blue not much tan. It's a gene that the yorkie has but if breeding is done correctly it should not show up but again, playing with genetics it can happen. There is not a test to show what carries the blue born pup that I know of. I don't know much about the blue born puppies as I've never had one and how it happens but that is genetics. Complicated for sure.
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Wow...With those kind of issue just reiterates the importance of testing and breeding as close to standard as possible for healthy puppies.
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