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Old 06-19-2010, 05:17 PM   #1
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Hi...hope your well.....
As some of you are aware, ive got a premature pup, Honey-Bunny,now 4 weeks old (2 weeks old if she wasnt premature), still alive and kicking and doing well!.... weighing 25 grams!!!!...she is taken 60mls every 2-3hours,
increasing daily. The ADVICE wanted is, as she is so tiny and was premature, how much more can i increase her food,,, she is on Lactol.... to me she doesnt seem to be putting too much weight on, BUt is she putting ennough ON..she isnt crying at all to say she is hungry.....
just wondered wat you thought?
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Shasha,

I would like to help you but please check your weights and measurements.
25 grams is only .9 oz. She must be bigger than that and 60 ml is 12 teaspoons, she can't be eating that much.
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I agree with Winston's Mom on your checking your measurements.

I've never dealt with a situation such as yours. Didn't I see where you posted that her eyes aren't open yet? WOW!! I've never had one go beyond 17 days before opening their eyes.

If she's doing well and not crying in between feedings, she sounds like she's getting enough. I've had one that took 5 weeks before I saw any real growth on her and then she starting gaining nicely. I didn't feed her more than she could take at a feeding....just made her plump, not too tight in the belly and fed her often rather than a lot at one time.

The usual recommended amount I've seen to feed newborns is 1 cc per ounce of body weight. The amount increases with the pup's age and activity level but at least that's a starting point for you to go by.
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1 cc per ounce is the amount I try to give as well. I don't know if you are bottle feeding or tube feeding. Is she still nursing off her surrogate mom? If she is and she is steadily gaining and not crying, I would not supplement her too much, if at all.
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I agree with Winston's Mom on your checking your measurements.

I've never dealt with a situation such as yours. Didn't I see where you posted that her eyes aren't open yet? WOW!! I've never had one go beyond 17 days before opening their eyes.

If she's doing well and not crying in between feedings, she sounds like she's getting enough. I've had one that took 5 weeks before I saw any real growth on her and then she starting gaining nicely. I didn't feed her more than she could take at a feeding....just made her plump, not too tight in the belly and fed her often rather than a lot at one time.

The usual recommended amount I've seen to feed newborns is 1 cc per ounce of body weight. The amount increases with the pup's age and activity level but at least that's a starting point for you to go by.
Woogieman,

I had a premature litter last August and by my calculations and the physical presentation of the pups they were approximately a week premature. One of the pups did not open it's eyes until day 21. Per my vet if calculating on when they should have been born, he was right on time.

As far as nursing them, and the pup is not gaining, it could very well be due to the supplement. The closests thing to mothers milk is Goat's milk (canned) mixed with equal parts of distilled water and a bit of Karo Syrup.

I feed with a canine preemie nipple attached to a syringe so that I can better monitor what is being fed and control the flow of milk. Also, giving the pup the needed sucking reflex needed. I've always allowed the pup to determine when they no longer want any more. They usually drop off to sleep, but I will burp them in between, allowing them to make room for a bit more. As long as the pup is warm and not crying, it is probably getting enough. As it gets stronger it will take in more milk and the feeding times will not be as close. By week 3 1/2 (maybe not in this case since the pup is preemie), they should be able to lap on their own.
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Woogieman,

I had a premature litter last August and by my calculations and the physical presentation of the pups they were approximately a week premature. One of the pups did not open it's eyes until day 21. Per my vet if calculating on when they should have been born, he was right on time.

As far as nursing them, and the pup is not gaining, it could very well be due to the supplement. The closests thing to mothers milk is Goat's milk (canned) mixed with equal parts of distilled water and a bit of Karo Syrup.

I feed with a canine preemie nipple attached to a syringe so that I can better monitor what is being fed and control the flow of milk. Also, giving the pup the needed sucking reflex needed. I've always allowed the pup to determine when they no longer want any more. They usually drop off to sleep, but I will burp them in between, allowing them to make room for a bit more. As long as the pup is warm and not crying, it is probably getting enough. As it gets stronger it will take in more milk and the feeding times will not be as close. By week 3 1/2 (maybe not in this case since the pup is preemie), they should be able to lap on their own.
Mary, even with the pup I mentioned that was slow to gain, the eyes were open by 2 weeks. Just something I've never seen before (such a delay in opening). My little girl was tiny and was 5 weeks before making it to 6 ounces, and that was with using the goat's milk formula. I don't think I've ever fretted as much before as with this one but she finally took root. Never was a sickly baby...just ultra tiny.

I thought about mentioning the goat's milk formula but thought twice about recommending a change in such a small baby that's apparently doing well. I would be concerned about upsetting the applecart, though I agree about the goat's milk and it's very digestible. It's what I use and have had great results with it.

I think the OP said Honey is 4 weeks now but she sounds more like a newborn than anything. Very unusual case....at least I've never seen anything like this before.
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Mary, even with the pup I mentioned that was slow to gain, the eyes were open by 2 weeks. Just something I've never seen before (such a delay in opening). My little girl was tiny and was 5 weeks before making it to 6 ounces, and that was with using the goat's milk formula. I don't think I've ever fretted as much before as with this one but she finally took root. Never was a sickly baby...just ultra tiny.

I thought about mentioning the goat's milk formula but thought twice about recommending a change in such a small baby that's apparently doing well. I would be concerned about upsetting the applecart, though I agree about the goat's milk and it's very digestible. It's what I use and have had great results with it.

I think the OP said Honey is 4 weeks now but she sounds more like a newborn than anything. Very unusual case....at least I've never seen anything like this before.
My preemies I never had to supplement. At birth, I went through my usual routine, 1/2 tube of benebac (something I do when they come into the world, maks changes in their diet, or have loose stools), nutridrops on the gums and they latched on. I did fret on the delayed opening of the eyes. My vet reassured me with the words that they were preemie and although it always didn't happen, at times some preemies had to go through the usual growth and maturing as if they were in utero.

By no means am I suggesting that the formula be changed on this wee one without consultation of a vet. But, did have a litter I had to hand raise. The litter wasn't gaining. Took them into the vet and had the pleasure of listening to him scream at me on the supplement I was using and any other replacement milk that was on the market. The harm that we do on feeding said supplements. Then went on to inform me the closets thing to mother's milk was Goat's Milk and why.
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Hi all......my kind thanks to you for all your comments and suggestions with honey...x
Firstly... i will have to get a proper scales....!
She is very tiny, im giving her goats milk by syringe and she is suckling ok on that.... i then put her in with Marnie,and she will go and sucklle and Marnie cleans hers and deficates her. She then curls up to sleep,so i put her in her little bed with the hotwater bottle. To be honest she is doing ok with that routine and when she is full she lets you know....im feeding every 2-3 hours but at 3am i leave her in her bed till 7am...she doesnt cry at all but she is so fast now!!... climbing everywhere...her EYES will be open fully in a day or so....will send some pictures.x
Her age i am going off if she were a 2 week old pup...though she has been in this world coming up to 4 week on Wednesday...
Marnies pups 3 weeks are so fat... they to have their eyes open, are barking.. the boy is and also try to stand on all wobbley 4's. Ten Ton Tess doesnt move but crawls!... they seem really advanced to their age dont you think?...
Well from your comments, im doing ok...i think once eyes are open and they can all focus... ill get them focusing on the puppy pudding!!... Eukubu crushed with goats milk like porridge... !!! that will be fun!!
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I would like to help you but please check your weights and measurements.
25 grams is only .9 oz. She must be bigger than that and 60 ml is 12 teaspoons, she can't be eating that much.
Hi Audrey...im getting a proper scale but she is tiny, size of a small mouse!!
ill defo check weights and measures so i can give you exact weights etc. x
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hi all...got a scales today, weighed Honey and she is 70grams!...so should ig make sure she get 3cc of milk?... or 2 and put her on Marnie so she get the rest??? ive attached some pictures i just took of Honey and her body guards!!
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Wow, she is tiny! 70 grams is about 2 1/2 ounces. I would try for 2 cc and let her nurse, if she is strong and nursing well. I prefer to feed a little less, and feed more often than to over fill their little tummies. Less chance of them bringing up and aspirating. Best of luck, she sure is a sweety. Keep us posted.
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Hi Audrey
thanks for the reply...and advice which i am taking!!....and doing!!...just one more thing i need to ask...how do u burp a pup???
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thanks for the reply...and advice which i am taking!!....and doing!!...just one more thing i need to ask...how do u burp a pup???
Just gently rub the back with a couple of fingers. Be prepared, they do let out loud ones.
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Thanks Mardaline..... i tried it OMG.... she burped ever so loud.. you were right!!!..... just like burping a baby......she is doing well... her eyes are open..
she is eating well....
Should i treat her as a 2 week old pup due to her been premature by 2 weeks?, eventhough she is acting like a 3-4 week old pup,she can certainly move and stands on all fours and runs around!!!!...she still is soooo tiny though, so i was wondering when i start to wean the other 2 when they are 2.5-4ks old, in another week, who are really FAT... should i put Honey down to the puppy pudding as well???? Ann-marie x
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Hi all,here are the latest pictures of Honey-Bunny, who is a little sweety, and wont keep still when she is awake,climbs over everything in her way, even the 2 fatty pups of Marnies (Jess & Justin)... she has got her eyes open, but still needs to focus better, so give her a day or so and she will be into everything!!!! Hope u like the pictures. x
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