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04-21-2010, 04:02 AM | #1 |
Senior Yorkie Talker | Which parents determines the size of the pups? I'm curious and I was having a debate with my breeder on the topic. My female came from a mother who was bigger than the father and she is tiny and looks exactly like her father. Of course her litter mates were bigger and her sister is almost twice her size. It interests me because it's always so hard to tell the size the puppies will be. It is definitely not an exact science! I have just purchased a second Yorkie as a companion to my little girl and looked for one who would be the same size as her and thus how we started to discuss this. He is only 4 weeks old so it's hard to tell at this point. His litter mates were a range of sizes from TINY to double his size! (There are SEVEN of them!) He is somewhere in the middle. But when I was talking to my breeder she said it's better if the male is the same size or slightly larger than the female and that it is not necessarily the male than determines the size of the puppies but more the female. Although all her males are all smaller in comparison to her breeding females. Other posts I read say the opposite, so which is true? Do the puppies inherit different traits from each parent depending purely on the strength of genetics? I can't wait to see how my new little boy turns out
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04-21-2010, 04:17 AM | #2 | |
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If one is line-breeding, the first 3 generations in the male and female are what goes into the make-up of each pup. With the dam and sire contributing 50%, Grand sire and dam 12% and Geat Grand sire 12%. That is unless there is a dog within a pedigree that is repeated multiple times with in the pedigree. Canine genetics and especially that of a yorkie is a somewhat complicated. If one is line breeding, one can guesstimate what a pups adult weight will be, but it's not an exact. Now during the growing process, pups go back and forth, one that was tiny at birth, can grow up to be the largest in a litter and vice a versa...
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04-21-2010, 04:57 AM | #3 |
Senior Yorkie Talker | WOW! so actually the puppies could be nothing like their parents? What exactly is line-breeding? Do you mean the first 3 generations from the male and females relatives? ie: their mothers and fathers respectively and so on backwards? I'm sure my new little boy will be just perfect tho, no matter what
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04-21-2010, 05:09 AM | #4 | |
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Line breeding is breeding two dogs that have common ancestors/relatives within their pedigrees. Not to be confused with in breeding. Yes, the first 3 generations within the breeding pair. The only way you can be assured of what your pup will be (if that is important to you) is if you obtain your pup at a more mature age....7, 8 months of age....But, as you say, your pup will be perfect for you, no matter what....and be loved.
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04-21-2010, 05:46 AM | #5 |
Senior Yorkie Talker | He will DEFINITELY be loved And I know my little Taylor is going to LOVE having a companion! my dog is everything to me - Im accused of loving her more than I love my fiance! ha ha! So the second one will be just the same! Thank you so much for your input - it's all very interesting and eye opening and I hope many others realise it's harder than getting a male and female and letting them have puppies. I know the breeders on this site are VERY passionate about their breed and I hardly blame them because they are such a special little breed thanks again!
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04-21-2010, 05:52 AM | #6 | |
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04-21-2010, 06:02 AM | #7 |
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| Some breeders think if they breed a tiny male to oversized females, it will correct and reduce size...It can, but it complicates the breeding of those offspring. You will get all sizes from tiny to oversized...and you will never be able to set a true type regarding size. Many years ago ( On the advise of the number one Easr coast show breeder at that time) I used a small male with a large female...for the next two generations I got tiny females and larger males...never the other way around. Not what I wanted..I started over... I perfer breeding 5 to 6 pounds to 5 to 6 pounds... |
04-21-2010, 01:12 PM | #8 |
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| You have to know all the information - siblings, uncles, parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents. Just like with us humans - with height. So size of pup is very difficult to predetermine without knowing all the ancestor/family history of all concerned. I like quality of both, and size - I never go very tiny as seen by some BYB. Many do think that if they breed a small stud to a bigger bitch this is the best. No, no. You go with quality. And to be honest some of those tiny studs - just do not really have the quality that I would want. They seem almost alien or like a toy. But if you were to check their bite, legs, movement, topline, face measurement... you would not have quality here. So go with quality, not for the tiniest stud. Best if both should be around 5-7 pounds. I too prefer both to be 5-6 pounds best for both of them - stud and bitch that have the right qualities to be breed and make a good match. Last edited by topknot; 04-21-2010 at 01:16 PM. |
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