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04-15-2010, 08:45 PM | #1 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Kenosha,wi,USA
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| Please help!! Sorry to admin if this is posted in wrong section, But I wanted it to get noticed as much help as possible. OK first I would like to start by saying please Understand I am not a bad person..I have been a YT member long enough to know I'm risking ridicule and judgment by sharing this situation. But I really want expert advise not a heated debate on how irresponsible I am and how I am a horrible person... Chloe is almost 8 months old now. I purchased her and her brother(And gave the brother to my mom to ease the pain of a recent loss of her other dog) I was going to have Chloe spayed, But My family asked if I would breed her once. Now I am no breeder, And have no desire to do it for money, or more than once. I did however plan on breeding her in her second heat cycle or later based on research, I wasn't going to go in blindly, I would want to learn everything possible first.. The offspring were going to go to my family only. I have 2 aunts, A sister and A cousin who are very responsible people, Who love Chloe and would love them..Obviously if she had a small litter they were gonna have to draw straws, And if more I would find a home to my Immediate friends (For no monetary gain.) Or even keep one myself. So with that said Chloe went into her first heat cycle about 2-3 weeks ago she started bleeding and her vulva was very swollen. About 5 days into her cycle My partner went into the hospital (he is still in there) With pneumonia and they found a mass in his lung while doing a broncia-scope. So I was spending a lot of time at the hospital, And Chloe had never been apart from me, as I am a stay at home daddy. So I felt horrible for her she was freaking out!! I decided to give her to my mother for the weekend so she could be looked after better, And I could rest assured she was OK, And focus on my partner. I knew this would be an issue as bear (the male puppy aka Chloe's brother) wasn't neutered.(Which my moms vet told her to wait as hes having teeth issues and he wanted to do both at the same time and hes scheduled for both later this month.) I bought diapers for Chloe so he couldn't penetrate as well as little short type pants for her to wear, As well as leaving specific instructions to watch them so closely, joking we didn't want any 6 toed babies. Now its been a few weeks from her period and her nipples are still extended and larger, Even tho her vulva has shrunk. And it was only today that It really hit me SHE LOOKS PREGNANT!!!! Her stomach looks bigger! Theres no way my mom has assured me, And says that they never were locked. She says he was trying to hump her throughout the weekend but was sure he couldn't have impregnated her as the diaper was always on when he was around her. Well Ive done research and found that they do not have to lock to impregnate. I have also seen that a sign could be if they throw up yellow bile, (which she did today) I am sure she tried but if she was letting them play who knows what can happen in the blink of an eye..(how with the diaper I don't know) I called my vet and have set up an x-ray for Monday (which is also the day my hubby gets released from the hospital) And I'm praying she isn't, But if she is, And I am the worst owner ever, And I allowed incest what can I expect.. Do i abort the pregnancy (which I read can be dangerous)?Am i crazy to consider letting her birth the litter if she is as some sites claim they can lead a normal life. I'm just feeling horrible right now, And nobody can beat me up worse than me, So please try and be helpful by not attacking me.
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04-15-2010, 09:07 PM | #2 |
Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: western KS
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| I am no one to judge anybody, We are all human. I am sorry that your partner is in the hospital and I hope he is able to return home very soon and healthy. It sounds like you are on the right track on any decisions you will make for your little girl as you already have her going to the vet. |
04-15-2010, 09:11 PM | #3 |
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| You're so not a bad daddy. Life happens sometimes and I pray your partner is ok. You can have your Chloe spayed during her pregnancy. I don't know if there is a time limit on that but I know it can be done.
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04-15-2010, 09:16 PM | #4 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Kenosha,wi,USA
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| Thank you very much, He is doing much better he has been in the hospital for 2 wks, So I am anxious for him to come home as well. They did a biopsy And everything is ok, And his chest tube(used to drain the lung) is getting taken out tomorrow...I'm just so stressed I feel like a bad parent that I just noticed this afternoon.
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04-15-2010, 09:17 PM | #5 |
Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: S. W. Suburbs of Chicago, IL
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| Oh boy Reasonable members will not jump all over you but will try to help you with that is going on. You are looking and asking help for a situation that has happened already and need assistance. No bashing. I am not a breeder so I am a little confused by your post where you say that you are taking her for an Xray to see if she is pregnant. It is my understanding that and Xray is only good to determine the size and placement of the puppies and not to determine pregnancy. With that said, I don't know what the time frame is for having a spay in the event that she is pregnant. If the option is still available my advice would be to go forward with the spay immediately. They are brother and sister and again I have no idea how to even address this issue either. The brother needs to be neutered as well. I do think that you should ask for this thread to be moved over to the breeder forum since you will get a much better answer to your questions. I am very sorry to hear that your partner has been in the hospital and hope that all will turn out well for him. You do not need more on your plate then you already have.
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04-15-2010, 09:17 PM | #6 |
Thor's Human Donating Member | I am sure some of the experienced breeders can help you. As Dvlshangel985 said, it is possible to spay during pregnancy. Also, just a note on the brother/sister mating: I know it sounds really icky, but it's actually very common for breeders to mate related dogs to build consistency in their lines. So yes, it's unfortunate that an unplanned mating occurred, but "incest" is not the same for dogs as it is for people. Hope that makes you feel a little better. Also, this is coming from someone who has never bred a dog, but Thor has vomited yellow bile before, and he definitely wasn't pregnant. This can also happen if their stomachs get too empty. Keeping my fingers crossed she isn't preggers.
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04-15-2010, 09:23 PM | #7 | |
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04-15-2010, 09:24 PM | #8 |
Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: western KS
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| I know that there are a lot of great threads on here with timelines on when what can be done. spay, xray, feel puppies, ect.. I can not find it or any of them. |
04-15-2010, 09:27 PM | #9 | |
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Actually It does make me feel a little better. I did read that while looking for answers on a few sites but wasn't sure if this was controversial, and didn't want a debate on my hands So that's why i kinda asked about keeping the litter, but didn't really elaborate or get to into it..I had visions of members with pitch forks and torches hunting me down..lol
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04-15-2010, 09:28 PM | #10 |
Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Los Angeles, California, USA
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| YT has been acting up for me too. I tried doing a search but everything is so slow.
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04-15-2010, 09:30 PM | #11 |
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04-15-2010, 09:30 PM | #12 | |
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yeah It took me 5 times to actaully post this thread and Im having trouble navigating looking for older threads.
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04-15-2010, 09:32 PM | #13 |
YT 500 Club Member | your not a bad dad things happen but if i were you ide abort.What if you had deformed puppies...then you would have to make the choice to put them down anyway and its going to be much harder after there born..a bay is a baby and breaks the heart to lose even if its the best thing for them. Hang in there
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04-15-2010, 09:33 PM | #14 | |
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04-15-2010, 09:37 PM | #15 |
My little Shadow Donating YT Member | There is also the possiblity of this being a false labor. Bella went through this after her first heat cycle & it lasted for quite some time. There were alot of members here that gave great advice on the subject. You can search to see if her symptoms relate. Hoping that your partner is better very soon! Sorry that you are going through so much & hoping all turns out well!
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