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Old 03-14-2010, 02:14 PM   #1
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Default Spaying and Neutering prior to placing puppies....

I also follow what my veterinarians recommend. I use 3 different veterinarians in my area....one is my regular vet that I have known and used for 10 years now, the second one I had used for 9 years prior and now goes to local vet offices in his retirement to fill in for other vets 1-2 days a week, and the third was where I did my internship as a Vet Tech in the late 80s. I checked with all 3 of these vets and all of them told me that as long as a pup is 10-12 weeks and over 1.5 pounds that spaying and neutering for breeders is an excellent option.
I checked into this for 2 reasons. First I screen new puppy owners heavily.
1. Where do you live? Apt or house? Own? Proof? If apt, landlords written permission.
2. Where do you work? Average income? How long?
3. Veterinarian used? Last time? Other pets?
4. Fenced in yard?
5. Kids? Under 12?
6. One personal reference?
7. Why a Yorkie? Any experience with small dogs? Willing to learn?
I spend lots of time on the phone, then in person with each perspective owner prior to placing a pup. My pups were placed with spay/neuter contracts and on limited AKC registration. I placed a small girl with a wonderful couple, owned their own home and business. They had a 17 year old daughter and I met her also. Vet reference was a vet from out of state as they had moved to this state 2 years prior. They owned a peke and had a great reference with the vet. Personal reference was their neighbor and it was glowing. Sounds like a great home right?? I happen to find an add in a local magazine here for pups without papers and the phone number looked familiar. Sure as heck it was that couple. When asked they said it was another dog, yet the pic of the momma looked alot like my male. So how would you deal with that? She denies that that was the mom, refused to even talk to me after, etc. That little girl charted to be 3 pounds full grown!!! This lady was advertising these pups as TEACUPS...
So I do have all my pups spayed or neutered prior to leaving my home. I know they will not be bred. According to my longest vet who also works for the humane society, there is plenty of research out there that proves that it is not harmful to spay or neuter even at 8 weeks. Humane societies do it all around the USA with no problems and have for years.
Are there other breeders out there that also do this?
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You know, I was just at my local pet supplies store and a lady there told me the same thing, her vet is spaying and neutering at 12 weeks as well.
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Then you should keep your pups until they are 8-9 months old, fix them, and then sell them. If anyone were to doubt my integrity, I would not deal with them. I think 8 weeks is way to you, but that is my opinion. I would not mind the limited contract, and I do believe in getting them fixed as I am not a breeder, but too early. I guess the breeder/seller can do what she wants, but do not advertise as Champion this or champion that as it is pretty meaningless. If one person would not deal with me, I will just find someone as reputable that will.

Now I also believe that there are liars and dishonest people, in all breeds. I am very knowledgeable on the Cane Corso, and I have seen all types. I can pay 2k for a potential champ from a line of champs from a great breeder with a lot of experience, or I can pay 3K from a BYB claiming to have the best....that sells garbage. Caveat emptor.
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I will not spay mine before 6 months.
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i am not a breeder, but i am wondering maybe it's a better idea to charge the buyer a deposit of around $700 or so? which you will refund to them once they provide proof that the dog you sold them is spayed/neutered.

it might be 'ok' to spay them at such a young age, but most yorkies need to have their retained baby teeth taken out, and i think it's a better idea to spay/neuter and take out the retained baby teeth all at once.
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My personal opinion is that it is much to young to spay or neuter. But I also think that we each must do what we feel is the best. There are no guarantees in life unfortunately... no matter which path you choose to take there are a million people who will say it is the right thing and a million who will say it's the wrong thing but you just have to go with what you feel is best, of course after doing all the appropriate research yourself.
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My personal feelings are that it is not in the best interest of the puppy to have it spay or neutered at a very young age. The following article gives more input on the subject.

http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongT...uterInDogs.pdf
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While I'm not a breeder, I also agree that it is not healthy. There may be studies to show it's fine, but how long has it really been done on a large scale? Early neuter can affect the growth of males and can't it cause urinary incontience in females? There is just not enough of a reason to do abdominal surgery on a 1.5 pound female! And the anesthesia for their size... Not comfortable with that at all. Baby teeth couldn't be pulled, so they will have to go under again. I personally would probably pass on a dog that was altered this early. I'd sooner pay a $1000 deposit...
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I guess everyone has thier own ideas of what is safe and what isn't, that being said I have to say that I don't agree with the OP's vet's statement about spay/neuter of 10 and 12 week old puppies.
I place my puppies on spay/neuter contracts but, I don't let my puppies leave me until a min. of 12 weeks old maybe older depending on the pup. And I sure don't believe that a pup should be spay or neutered before the age of at least six months old, nine is even better in my opinion.
When I place one of my puppies I retain the registration papers here with me until I get verification from the new owners vet. (on letterhead) that the spay/neuter has been done, then I sign the papers and send them in and the registration certificate is sent to the new owners.
It also states in my contract that this must be done then I will concider my contract broken and take the necessary steps to get the puppy back. And if need be I will take the party to court to fulfill the contract.
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My personal feelings are that it is not in the best interest of the puppy to have it spay or neutered at a very young age. The following article gives more input on the subject.

http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongT...uterInDogs.pdf
Terrific article. Thanks for sharing that.
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I do not think it is healthy or safe to spay and neuter an infant puppy!! And I would never buy from someone who did. There are ways to keep people from breeding their dogs, or not altering them.

If you have a strong,legal contract you can sue them and you must follow through. This is the key!!!

My contract states if the pup is not altered by 6 months of age, then they have to pay me more money, up to double of the price of the puppy. OR I have the option of confiscating the puppy for breach of contract. this WILL hold up in court.

And if you do have to take them to court it is done within your state because the laws say suits must be filed in the state the animal was purchased (where it hailed from)...

I have a long, detailed contract that all buyers sign and it is legally binding the second they sign it....
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I would never put a baby through this, much to young
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I think it is too early, too.

I have a friend that volunteers with the local SPCA. She takes litters of puppies that have been weened and brings them into her home, because that is a much better situation for a puppy than to have them in shelter cages. They have all been larger breed dogs. When they reach 5 lbs, back to the shelter they go for their spay/neuter, regardless of age. Then they are placed into their permanent homes.

I'm not sure the shelter has a lot of choice in their case. There are so many coming through that have to be placed, and if they hang on to them too long they would not be able to shelter and eventually place as many dogs. They would probably have to place them without spay/neuter, and then some new owners would procrastinate or neglect to get it done at all, and here are more puppies and the cycle starts all over again.

Even though the timing of the spay/neuter isn't optimal for those pups, the shelter is really in between a rock and a hard place.

I guess that what I'm trying to say is that even though the spay/neuter CAN be done safely at an earlier age, doesn't mean that is really the best time for the pup.
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My contract states if the pup is not altered by 6 months of age, then they have to pay me more money, up to double of the price of the puppy. OR I have the option of confiscating the puppy for breach of contract. this WILL hold up in court.
Do you ever give any leeway on that time frame? The reason why I ask is that my pup will be 6 month old in 8 days, and it is still too early to determine if she will need any baby teeth extracted. Her canines, upper and lower, have just broken through the gums a couple of days ago, and the baby canines are still there. She's a good weight and very sturdy, so no worries with that side of things, but I'm looking at getting her spayed at around 7 months, just to give those teeth some time.
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Do you ever give any leeway on that time frame? The reason why I ask is that my pup will be 6 month old in 8 days, and it is still too early to determine if she will need any baby teeth extracted. Her canines, upper and lower, have just broken through the gums a couple of days ago, and the baby canines are still there. She's a good weight and very sturdy, so no worries with that side of things, but I'm looking at getting her spayed at around 7 months, just to give those teeth some time.
Yes in a case like that.. But I wouldn't wait past 10 months. If their are no retained baby teeth by then I don't think they will have any.

Personally I prefer to allow females to go through a heat cycle before I spay. But most people just arent careful enough so I just do not think they should wait like I do. I go case by case as well...
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