Spike has no papers...... - YorkieTalk.com Forums

Deviousfred · 10-10-2005, 04:49 PM

I'm fairly new here and have recently thought about studding Spike. Only thing is, I have no paperwork for Spike. Spike is 3 years old and weighs under 2 pounds. No question in my mind he is a pure-bred. Can I get paperwork for him somehow? How much do you think I could charge to stud?

yorkiemom1970 · 10-10-2005, 04:58 PM

you would need to contact akc for his info on parents...that is if his parents were reg with them. there will most likely be a penalty fee for reg, but is still possible to get. he is a good age for breeding, but you need to ask yourself why you want to do it. is he from healthy lines, is he within the standard,, who would you breed him with, have you checked the background of the female you have in mind for him...i know, so many questions...but i just want to make sure you are prepared. so much can happen. keep us informed.

yorkiemom1970 · 10-10-2005, 04:59 PM

btw, he is adorable i might add

Deviousfred · 10-10-2005, 05:08 PM

I really know nothing about his line. I saved Spike from the Humane Society and found absolutley nothing about his past. He is very healthy. I want to breed him because I think he needs to. He humps a couple of dogs from the neighborhood when he play with them. And if he is, I figured I might as well charge a stud fee.

lilbuster · 10-10-2005, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Deviousfred

I really know nothing about his line. I saved Spike from the Humane Society and found absolutley nothing about his past. He is very healthy. I want to breed him because I think he needs to. He humps a couple of dogs from the neighborhood when he play with them. And if he is, I figured I might as well charge a stud fee.

Humping is usually a dominance thing, not really an "in the mood thang".

Unless it's a female in heat....then that's a different story!

YorkieRose · 10-10-2005, 06:02 PM

AKC will not allow you to register him..no one has any idea who his parents are ...he may well be a purebred Yorkie, but unless you know the breeder and can get his registration info, AKC will not talk to you much beyond NO!
He could be from another country and shipped to the US..very common...there are dozens valid reasons for AKC denying papers.

yorkiemom1970 · 10-10-2005, 06:09 PM

she's (pat) right. i didnt understand if you had the info on his parents from his breeder at first, but after re-reading i see you got him from humane society. that was a great thing for you to do, but DO NOT breed him. you dont know and cant find out where he came from. so just enjoy him and love him! and you also cannot register him through akc if he is a humane society baby adopted. keep us updated on him, he sure is a little cutie!

ldenise · 10-10-2005, 06:52 PM

doesn't the human society automatically spay and neuter before they adopt out?

feminvstr · 10-10-2005, 07:35 PM

you sure your little man isnt neutered? I thought that was normal practice on a rescue dog?

StewiesMom · 10-10-2005, 07:40 PM

That's what I thought, too. I would be shocked if he wasn't already neutered.

Deviousfred · 10-11-2005, 06:38 AM

I have a very close friend who works at the Humane Society

and he gave me a call the minute Spike came in the door. I was able to rescue Spike without him having to be neutered. T-Bone is a Humane Society pup as well but he is neutered.

GurleyGirl · 10-11-2005, 06:44 AM

I think the CKC (Continental Kennel Club) will register your dog with pictures of your dog and 2 witnesses signing their form stating your dog is a yorkie... (I have a copy of the form here that I am reading...there is a witness section if your dog is over 6 months old). You can get the form online ... do a search on Continental Kennel Club. You can call the various registries and check with them... CKC, ACA, APRI and see what their policies for registering are.

Hope this helps!

sylvan · 10-11-2005, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GurleyGirl

I think the CKC (Continental Kennel Club) will register your dog with pictures of your dog and 2 witnesses signing their form stating your dog is a yorkie... (I have a copy of the form here that I am reading...there is a witness section if your dog is over 6 months old). You can get the form online ... do a search on Continental Kennel Club. You can call the various registries and check with them... CKC, ACA, APRI and see what their policies for registering are.

Hope this helps!

Alot of the alternate registries are not worth the paper they are printed on for this very reason. Many were formed to help mill breeders sell 'registered' dogs for more $.
This dog should not be bred, since you have no way of determining whether or not he is carrying recessive genetic traits for inheritable health problems. I am sure you do not want to be responsible for producing pups with serious health issues. Yorks are famous for 'em, check the sick/health threads. Just cause he's cute, doesn't mean you should breed him. The person you know at the Humane Society should have insisted that he be neutered... please make a responsible choice and have him neutered asap.

Deviousfred · 10-11-2005, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sylvan

Alot of the alternate registries are not worth the paper they are printed on for this very reason. Many were formed to help mill breeders sell 'registered' dogs for more $.
This dog should not be bred, since you have no way of determining whether or not he is carrying recessive genetic traits for inheritable health problems. I am sure you do not want to be responsible for producing pups with serious health issues. Yorks are famous for 'em, check the sick/health threads. Just cause he's cute, doesn't mean you should breed him. The person you know at the Humane Society should have insisted that he be neutered... please make a responsible choice and have him neutered asap.

So because AKC won't give me a piece of paper I shouldn't breed him??? If AKC is as good as most poeple make them out to be, why don't they do blood work or similar things to determine a bloodline or "recessive genetic traits?"

Bendless Love · 10-11-2005, 09:24 AM

There are tests that can be done to see if he has certain traits, but think of what you're asking...for his DNA to be tested for a recessive genetic trait, not for something that will eventually show up in him,that's money right there. There are some things that can be tested for, and some that cannot. I think that it depends on why you want to stud him out. It seems to me that it's probably just a money thing, which is the wrong reason anyway, but if you do stud him out you just need to be aware that Spike is a very little Yorkie without a pedigree. You don't know where he came from or what his parents were like. He is far under the breed standard, and thus he and any substandard puppies he produces have a much higher risk of health difficulties. It's not very fair to the puppies produced, or the breeder you stud him to if you just get CKC papers and go for it. As long as you let the breeder know his background ahead of time, then you're not indebted to them later, but anyone willing to mate their female with him, without knowing anything, probably isn't a very knowledgable breeder. I don't think anyone meant to offend saying that Spike wasn't fit to breed. If you were going to keep all the puppies it's a totally different story, they're just for love and cuddling in the family, but otherwise it's basically the same principal as mating mutts (though that's a bit harsh, but I'm just trying to draw a bit of a parallel).

10-10-2005, 04:59 PM	#3
yorkiemom1970 No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,947	by the way... btw, he is adorable i might add

10-10-2005, 06:02 PM	#6
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	papers AKC will not allow you to register him..no one has any idea who his parents are ...he may well be a purebred Yorkie, but unless you know the breeder and can get his registration info, AKC will not talk to you much beyond NO! He could be from another country and shipped to the US..very common...there are dozens valid reasons for AKC denying papers.

10-10-2005, 06:52 PM	#8
ldenise YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Rancho Viejo, Tx Posts: 2,698	doesn't the human society automatically spay and neuter before they adopt out? __________________ Buckeye, Ahia, Tressie, Archie & LDenise Dogs are really people with short legs in fur coats

10-10-2005, 07:35 PM	#9
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	you sure your little man isnt neutered? I thought that was normal practice on a rescue dog? __________________ Kimberly

10-10-2005, 07:40 PM	#10
StewiesMom Stewie Rox the Sox Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 6,306	That's what I thought, too. I would be shocked if he wasn't already neutered. __________________ Kristy & Stewie

10-10-2005, 04:58 PM	#2
yorkiemom1970 No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,947	you would need to contact akc for his info on parents...that is if his parents were reg with them. there will most likely be a penalty fee for reg, but is still possible to get. he is a good age for breeding, but you need to ask yourself why you want to do it. is he from healthy lines, is he within the standard,, who would you breed him with, have you checked the background of the female you have in mind for him...i know, so many questions...but i just want to make sure you are prepared. so much can happen. keep us informed.

10-10-2005, 05:08 PM	#4
Deviousfred Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 13	I really know nothing about his line. I saved Spike from the Humane Society and found absolutley nothing about his past. He is very healthy. I want to breed him because I think he needs to. He humps a couple of dogs from the neighborhood when he play with them. And if he is, I figured I might as well charge a stud fee.

10-10-2005, 06:09 PM	#7
yorkiemom1970 No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,947	she's (pat) right. i didnt understand if you had the info on his parents from his breeder at first, but after re-reading i see you got him from humane society. that was a great thing for you to do, but DO NOT breed him. you dont know and cant find out where he came from. so just enjoy him and love him! and you also cannot register him through akc if he is a humane society baby adopted. keep us updated on him, he sure is a little cutie!

10-11-2005, 06:38 AM	#11
Deviousfred Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 13	I have a very close friend who works at the Humane Society and he gave me a call the minute Spike came in the door. I was able to rescue Spike without him having to be neutered. T-Bone is a Humane Society pup as well but he is neutered.

10-11-2005, 06:44 AM	#12
GurleyGirl YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Scott City, Missouri Posts: 1,879	I think the CKC (Continental Kennel Club) will register your dog with pictures of your dog and 2 witnesses signing their form stating your dog is a yorkie... (I have a copy of the form here that I am reading...there is a witness section if your dog is over 6 months old). You can get the form online ... do a search on Continental Kennel Club. You can call the various registries and check with them... CKC, ACA, APRI and see what their policies for registering are. Hope this helps! __________________ Joanne Gurley's Yorkies

10-11-2005, 09:24 AM	#15
Bendless Love Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 148	There are tests that can be done to see if he has certain traits, but think of what you're asking...for his DNA to be tested for a recessive genetic trait, not for something that will eventually show up in him,that's money right there. There are some things that can be tested for, and some that cannot. I think that it depends on why you want to stud him out. It seems to me that it's probably just a money thing, which is the wrong reason anyway, but if you do stud him out you just need to be aware that Spike is a very little Yorkie without a pedigree. You don't know where he came from or what his parents were like. He is far under the breed standard, and thus he and any substandard puppies he produces have a much higher risk of health difficulties. It's not very fair to the puppies produced, or the breeder you stud him to if you just get CKC papers and go for it. As long as you let the breeder know his background ahead of time, then you're not indebted to them later, but anyone willing to mate their female with him, without knowing anything, probably isn't a very knowledgable breeder. I don't think anyone meant to offend saying that Spike wasn't fit to breed. If you were going to keep all the puppies it's a totally different story, they're just for love and cuddling in the family, but otherwise it's basically the same principal as mating mutts (though that's a bit harsh, but I'm just trying to draw a bit of a parallel).