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Jo-Jo · 10-09-2005, 03:02 PM

At what age do you suspect/know a male will be a good breeding prospect? Do you judge strictly by the breed standard or does it also depend on whether or not you're trying to bring out a better/stronger trait that the male might have but the female doesn't?

PinkMartini · 10-09-2005, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jo-Jo

At what age do you suspect/know a male will be a good breeding prospect?

At the age the dog brings home his ch. title!

bigdog · 10-09-2005, 04:45 PM

Good question, sorry i don't know the answer, but waiting to hear someone who does.I don't believe he has to bring home a championship before he can be a good breeding dog.I'm just a hobbie breeder and breed for pet quality and cuteness for good homes not show dogs. I've looked at a lot of dogs and i have to say mine are as cute as any. I haven't entered any in any shows, just for loving people who wants a babie to love and spoil.

troubletb · 10-09-2005, 04:58 PM

I bought my male to bring out the qualities that Bell doesn't have. Example: My male is a teddy bear type, with cobby legs, Bell is tall.
That is just my way of looking at it, I'm sure others have different views.

YorkieRose · 10-09-2005, 05:05 PM

I think a male should be show quality, but he does not have to be a champion for me to use him at stud. People do not show for all sorts of reasons and have quality studs. I have 5 terrific studs over the years who were just too small too endure the stress of the ring..but they sure were nice little guys with great peds.

Some just jump out at me at 6 or 8 weeks...and I watch them month by month. By 4 months I am 90% sure. You have to consider the entire standard and not a few good traits. The male can sire hundreds of pups in his life time..he needs to have the pedigree, temperment and conformation to contribute to those pups.
Pedigrees are very important to me, just as important for pet quality as well as show..you can not build a foundation on a weak platform..you need solid rock or it can fall down around your ears.

Jo-Jo · 10-09-2005, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I think a male should be show quality, but he does not have to be a champion for me to use him at stud. People do not show for all sorts of reasons and have quality studs. I have 5 terrific studs over the years who were just too small too endure the stress of the ring..but they sure were nice little guys with great peds.

Some just jump out at me at 6 or 8 weeks...and I watch them month by month. By 4 months I am 90% sure. You have to consider the entire standard and not a few good traits. The male can sire hundreds of pups in his life time..he needs to have the pedigree, temperment and conformation to contribute to those pups.
Pedigrees are very important to me, just as important for pet quality as well as show..you can not build a foundation on a weak platform..you need solid rock or it can fall down around your ears.

Are you referring to bloodlines or show titles? What if you have a fantastic little guy without an outstanding pedigree or bloodlines? At some point someone in the line had to be the first...right? I'm not a breeder and I certainly don't know enough to be a judge of the breed standard but I think Riley has some pretty good traits and I'd like to know for sure before I have him neutered. Of course, since I'm no expert I could be way off base.

YorkieRose · 10-09-2005, 05:45 PM

I am referring to the pedigree...a good bloodline. You see a dog can be very nice, but is he typical of his line? What is behind a breeding dog is vital to me..but that is me. Two poor quality dogs can at some point produce a decent offspring..not usual..but that many be 1 in 20 pups.

If I was buying a pet, I would not care about anything except how that ONE dog looked in the flesh. If I am breeding, then I do care what his relatives look like..that is the gene pool he is going to draw from...a line, not one dog.
Few studs reproduce themselves over and over..infact get a good look at the grandparents since many traits skip a generation.

It is much more then how he looks..how does he move, his structure..all this goes into making healthy puppies. Some might ask, what does structure have to do with a pet...ask someone with a roached back pet or bowed legs? etc,etc...

Jo-Jo · 10-09-2005, 05:58 PM

Thanks Pat...that all makes sense now. His back is something I was impressed with...he's square and flat across the top, no bow legs and a good temperment. I saw his parents but not the grandparents...but like you said...I don't know if he's typical of his line. He's staying small so far but he's not quite 5 months so we'll see. I was wondering all of this because he hasn't lost any puppy teeth yet and I was going to have him neutered at 6 months providing he lost his teeth. However, I took a good look at him and saw some good points and it got me wondering if I should have him neutered just yet.

YorkieRose · 10-09-2005, 06:42 PM

Your male might make a terrific stud. I am sure you have read enough of the threads to know owning a stud is not quite the same as owning a neutered pet. Most male owners I know find it is not worth keeping them intact for one or two stud clients a year. Best wishes in whatever you decide for your boy.

Jo-Jo · 10-09-2005, 06:58 PM

Thanks Pat. He is a cutie and he does have some good points but I'm sure it would be too much work to keep him intact, especially with having another male in the house. I'm probably better off having 2 beautiful neutered boys as pets and I have no intentions of getting a female...2 is enough for me.

barbg402 · 10-09-2005, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

I am referring to the pedigree...a good bloodline. You see a dog can be very nice, but is he typical of his line? What is behind a breeding dog is vital to me..but that is me. Two poor quality dogs can at some point produce a decent offspring..not usual..but that many be 1 in 20 pups.

If I was buying a pet, I would not care about anything except how that ONE dog looked in the flesh. If I am breeding, then I do care what his relatives look like..that is the gene pool he is going to draw from...a line, not one dog.
Few studs reproduce themselves over and over..infact get a good look at the grandparents since many traits skip a generation.

It is much more then how he looks..how does he move, his structure..all this goes into making healthy puppies. Some might ask, what does structure have to do with a pet...ask someone with a roached back pet or bowed legs? etc,etc...

Pat,
Well said!
Do you have a web-site? If so, is it Primrose Yorkies?
Would love more information on your line of Yorkies.
Thanks,
Barbg
Little-Bit, Meggie, Tori, Cassie & Roscoe's Mom

YorkieRose · 10-09-2005, 07:20 PM

Yes, it is Primrose..I have not updated it is at least FIVE years...and I have just gotten two of the nicest potentials in a recent litter ..just when you think it is time to retire, these two pop up LOL

troubletb · 10-10-2005, 03:41 PM

congratulations Pat, I knew you had 1, didn't know you had 2!!! Now stop keeping secrets!

YorkieRose · 10-10-2005, 04:42 PM

I am keeping Katie, but the male is going..I can not afford to show two and my hands/fingers just can not keep up with two show coats at once..I want to enjoy this new one and not be stressed to show two at once. I tried that 15 yrs ago and I didn't have much fun...it is all I can do to get one ring ready and on time. LOL

bigdog · 10-12-2005, 09:54 AM

I'm just a babie at breeding dogs. I do want to better the breed. I bred a female that i shouldn't have but she had two quality pups and one with flaws. I'm selling her and her one pup for pet quality and thats all. I visited with a lady in Springfield Mo yesterday that shows dogs and is a akc judge. She pointed out the flaws for me and was interested in one of my babies to trade with one of her babies plus $300.My boy is beautiful but a little bigger than hers. I haven't a clue what she wants with him. I saw her babies and certainly did see a difference. straight backs, short ears and straight hair, short noses. I would love to have her little male, but i still have to make sure he has testicles. She likes my sugar but says her hair is a little wavy but still wants to breed with me for pick of litter.I'm 53 yrs old but I can be very niave at times. I love these yorkies and love having babies. We are not rich and it does cost money to stay in this business and do it right. Thats where me and my hubby clash sometimes. I've read some of your post and would appreciate any pointers. I do have a passion.

10-09-2005, 03:02 PM	#1
Jo-Jo YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 397	?? for breeders about males. At what age do you suspect/know a male will be a good breeding prospect? Do you judge strictly by the breed standard or does it also depend on whether or not you're trying to bring out a better/stronger trait that the male might have but the female doesn't?

10-09-2005, 04:58 PM	#4
troubletb Love my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Port Richey, Florida Posts: 2,264	I bought my male to bring out the qualities that Bell doesn't have. Example: My male is a teddy bear type, with cobby legs, Bell is tall. That is just my way of looking at it, I'm sure others have different views. __________________ Karen~ Bell, Lilly and Peter's Mom http://www.freewebs.com/floridayorkies/

10-09-2005, 05:05 PM	#5
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	stud I think a male should be show quality, but he does not have to be a champion for me to use him at stud. People do not show for all sorts of reasons and have quality studs. I have 5 terrific studs over the years who were just too small too endure the stress of the ring..but they sure were nice little guys with great peds. Some just jump out at me at 6 or 8 weeks...and I watch them month by month. By 4 months I am 90% sure. You have to consider the entire standard and not a few good traits. The male can sire hundreds of pups in his life time..he needs to have the pedigree, temperment and conformation to contribute to those pups. Pedigrees are very important to me, just as important for pet quality as well as show..you can not build a foundation on a weak platform..you need solid rock or it can fall down around your ears. __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

10-09-2005, 05:45 PM	#7
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	stud I am referring to the pedigree...a good bloodline. You see a dog can be very nice, but is he typical of his line? What is behind a breeding dog is vital to me..but that is me. Two poor quality dogs can at some point produce a decent offspring..not usual..but that many be 1 in 20 pups. If I was buying a pet, I would not care about anything except how that ONE dog looked in the flesh. If I am breeding, then I do care what his relatives look like..that is the gene pool he is going to draw from...a line, not one dog. Few studs reproduce themselves over and over..infact get a good look at the grandparents since many traits skip a generation. It is much more then how he looks..how does he move, his structure..all this goes into making healthy puppies. Some might ask, what does structure have to do with a pet...ask someone with a roached back pet or bowed legs? etc,etc... __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

10-09-2005, 06:42 PM	#9
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	stud Your male might make a terrific stud. I am sure you have read enough of the threads to know owning a stud is not quite the same as owning a neutered pet. Most male owners I know find it is not worth keeping them intact for one or two stud clients a year. Best wishes in whatever you decide for your boy. __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

10-09-2005, 04:45 PM	#3
bigdog YT Addict Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 340	Good question, sorry i don't know the answer, but waiting to hear someone who does.I don't believe he has to bring home a championship before he can be a good breeding dog.I'm just a hobbie breeder and breed for pet quality and cuteness for good homes not show dogs. I've looked at a lot of dogs and i have to say mine are as cute as any. I haven't entered any in any shows, just for loving people who wants a babie to love and spoil.

10-09-2005, 05:58 PM	#8
Jo-Jo YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 397	Thanks Pat...that all makes sense now. His back is something I was impressed with...he's square and flat across the top, no bow legs and a good temperment. I saw his parents but not the grandparents...but like you said...I don't know if he's typical of his line. He's staying small so far but he's not quite 5 months so we'll see. I was wondering all of this because he hasn't lost any puppy teeth yet and I was going to have him neutered at 6 months providing he lost his teeth. However, I took a good look at him and saw some good points and it got me wondering if I should have him neutered just yet.

10-09-2005, 06:58 PM	#10
Jo-Jo YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 397	Thanks Pat. He is a cutie and he does have some good points but I'm sure it would be too much work to keep him intact, especially with having another male in the house. I'm probably better off having 2 beautiful neutered boys as pets and I have no intentions of getting a female...2 is enough for me.

10-09-2005, 07:20 PM	#12
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	site Yes, it is Primrose..I have not updated it is at least FIVE years...and I have just gotten two of the nicest potentials in a recent litter ..just when you think it is time to retire, these two pop up LOL __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

10-10-2005, 03:41 PM	#13
troubletb Love my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Port Richey, Florida Posts: 2,264	congratulations Pat, I knew you had 1, didn't know you had 2!!! Now stop keeping secrets! __________________ Karen~ Bell, Lilly and Peter's Mom http://www.freewebs.com/floridayorkies/

10-10-2005, 04:42 PM	#14
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	pups I am keeping Katie, but the male is going..I can not afford to show two and my hands/fingers just can not keep up with two show coats at once..I want to enjoy this new one and not be stressed to show two at once. I tried that 15 yrs ago and I didn't have much fun...it is all I can do to get one ring ready and on time. LOL __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

10-12-2005, 09:54 AM	#15
bigdog YT Addict Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 340	I'm just a babie at breeding dogs. I do want to better the breed. I bred a female that i shouldn't have but she had two quality pups and one with flaws. I'm selling her and her one pup for pet quality and thats all. I visited with a lady in Springfield Mo yesterday that shows dogs and is a akc judge. She pointed out the flaws for me and was interested in one of my babies to trade with one of her babies plus $300.My boy is beautiful but a little bigger than hers. I haven't a clue what she wants with him. I saw her babies and certainly did see a difference. straight backs, short ears and straight hair, short noses. I would love to have her little male, but i still have to make sure he has testicles. She likes my sugar but says her hair is a little wavy but still wants to breed with me for pick of litter.I'm 53 yrs old but I can be very niave at times. I love these yorkies and love having babies. We are not rich and it does cost money to stay in this business and do it right. Thats where me and my hubby clash sometimes. I've read some of your post and would appreciate any pointers. I do have a passion.