Thinkin bout breeding 2 a Biewer or Parti

[kmm_fantacy]

It would be in the future... just thinking ahead.... Alice doesnt have any papers... but I want her to be a mommy at least once so im not going to sell them for any great amount or anything... but is there any other way to find a stud other than on breeder sights the are so expencive... we just want babies....

Anyone have tips, sugestion, anything I should know..... anyone know of a boy that wants to make sweet sweet loving to my baby someday?

[Cares4Dogs]

Originally Posted by kmm_fantacy

It would be in the future... just thinking ahead.... Alice doesnt have any papers... but I want her to be a mommy at least once so im not going to sell them for any great amount or anything... but is there any other way to find a stud other than on breeder sights the are so expencive... we just want babies....

Anyone have tips, sugestion, anything I should know..... anyone know of a boy that wants to make sweet sweet loving to my baby someday?

What other reasons do you have for wanting to breed your yorkie?

You'd need to have your female tested for genetic defects. How big and old is your female?

Its a lot to think about. Whelping and raising a litter can cost more than just purchasing another puppy. There is a lot involved other than just putting two dogs together. The male also would need to be tested for STDs and genetic defects. You'd kick yourself in the rear if you bred your girl to an unhealthy male and whelped a litter of sick puppies.

[JeanieK]

Do you realize that breeding a traditional to a parti or Biewer will not give you colored puppies? They will still be traditional colored

Breeding is very risky and very expensive to get started. It is not something to be done casually.

You could end up spending thousands and have nothing in the end.

[BamaFan121s]

Oh brother! My 'tip and suggestion' would be to abandon this ridiculous plan and concentrate your efforts on spoiling your girl as she deserves. Who wants the babies, you or your dog? Who's desire are you trying to fulfill, her's or yours? Sorry, but no respectable breeder is going to stud their dog out to an unregistered female.

Breeding is not something that should be taken lightly, as you appear to be doing. If you want to breed in the future, then I would suggest you find a mentor to work with first and then decide later. Sorry, but it seems a bit nonsensical for you to breed your female just because 'you want her to be a mommy once,' as I'm sure most here will agree.

[JeanieK]

I don't know of anyone who would stud their parti or Biewer male for anything less than the cost of a puppy, so you would be better off just buying one.

[kmm_fantacy]

I dont want another dog right now all my attention is to her and I think that another would make her jellous... she is my and my husbands baby and I do spoil her like no other... She is about 6lbs... Just because I want her to have a litter doesnt mean that I love my baby or spoil her any less are you guys saying that breeders dont love their dogs? thats not very nice... I'm not trying to do anything along the lines of breeding her for over a yr or two... she is only like 6months... I dont think there is anything wrong with asking for sugestions and planning way ahead...

[Cares4Dogs]

Nobody accused you of not loving your dog. Breeders not only have a love for their dogs, but for the entire breed.

Good breeders breed sound and healthy dogs that fit within YTCA and AKC standards.

They suggested you find a mentor and study up on breeding yorkies. Thats great advice.

Stud fees equal the cost of a puppy so if your only wanting another dog--just buy one.

[Cha Cha]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I don't know of anyone who would stud their parti or Biewer male for anything less than the cost of a puppy, so you would be better off just buying one.

Not to mention, that it will be very difficult to find a parti or Biewer breeder that will stud their dog out to a dog without papers. The OP has to remember that every time a breeder studs their dog out, the resulting litter is a direct statement to their stud dog even if it is the female that has less than desirable breeding. They are very selective in who they would accept for a breeding mate, as they should be. Along with what everyone else has said. And, responsible, selective breeders absolutely do love their dogs!

[ranant12]

This is my story that I posted in the breeders section back in August. Every bit of it is true and I really hope you read this and rethink your decision to breed.

If you are trying to decide to breed, read my story.

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If you are unsure if you want to try to breed, please read my story. Go into it with open eyes and know that it's not as easy as putting 2 dogs together and hoping for the best.

I don't mind telling you about my experience at all. Diva weighs 5 lbs pre-pregnancy. The stud I used this time weighed 4 lbs and had a great history. This was Diva's 2nd litter (she was 4 years old on 8-04-09). Diva's 1st litter, she had 2 boys. Both only weighed 2 ozs. One was a little smaller and we fought for 5 days to keep him alive but finally lost him at 5 days old. The vet advised not to use that stud again in case he was the reason for such small puppies. The other puppy survived and at one year old weighed 2lbs 3 ozs and is healthy as can be.

I decided to breed her one more time, thinking I would have better luck the 2nd time around. Diva is absolutely beautiful when she is in full coat (I cut it short before babies)and has an amazing personality. She is more human than dog. I researched stud's like crazy and finally chose this one. They bred on June 14 and June 16. I was a nervous wreck waiting to see if it took. 5 weeks into her pregnancy her belly was definitely showing. An ultrasound confirmed it.

I had all my whelping supplies ready and beginning last Monday, I did not let her out of my sight, even sneaking her into work to watch her. You see Diva is like a child to me. Losing her would have KILLED me, so I was not taking any chances.

On Saturday, she was clingy and did not want to leave my lap unless she was in her whelping basket. I knew it was time and called the vet to let him know in case I needed help. The first 2 puppies came easy, but when 3 hours passed and the 3rd puppy had not come I called the vet again. He advise to wait another hour since she was not pushing or in distress. After 45 minutes I called him and asked him to meet me there. I just KNEW something was not right. Thankfully I did, because a c-section saved her and her other 2 little girls. I was a nervous wreck and was so thankful that my mother and sister met me at the vet's office to give me support. I almost passed out when they started her IV. She kept looking at me with a panicked look wanting me to just make everything ok. It broke my heart knowing that I couldn't take away her pain and panic. I cried through the c-section. The minute the vet put Diva in my arms I dropped to my knees in relief.

I knew when I saw that tiniest girl that there was a chance she would not make it like last time. But it still hurt like hell when she began breathing slow. I held her until she passed. I had to watch my 3 kids cry this morning over losing the little one, then we had to go to work and school. (Today sucks!)
I have a sitter staying with Diva while I work to make sure she's ok. Thankfully it's a friend with dog experience and is doing this as a favor, so I did not have to pay anyone or miss work.

I'm so thankful that Diva survived the surgery but I know that there are many more perils in her path until these puppies are weaned. Plus the little male with the deformed feet are an issue that we have to deal with.

I wouldnt tell anyone not to breed, but I will tell you that you are putting you little girls life at risk no matter how much you research and try to "do it right". Plus there's no guarantee that your puppies will even survive or be healthy, regardless of both parent's pedigrees or how hard you try to do everything right during the pregnancy.

It's something that you just have to think very long and hard about. Could you deal with losing puppies, holding them while they take those last shallow breaths after you spent day's fighting to keep them alive. Could you deal with your mother dying in surgery. Could you deal with losing your mother to eclampsia 3 weeks after you thought everything was ok after delivery. Could you deal with going through a pregnancy just to have every puppy die?

A litter of yorkie babies is the sweetest thing I have ever seen. I am the proudest Grandma, ever. There is nothing in the world like puppy breathe and a newborn puppy cuddling up under your neck. But I will not sleep peacefully until these babies are weaned and into their new homes. I owe it to Diva to stand guard and do my very best to help her through raising these puppies that I wanted. I feel a huge responsiblity for putting her in this situation.

It's your choice, but just know it's takes a lot out of you, can break you heart and can leave you with guilt you will never forget.

I hope this helps you with your decision.

[kmm_fantacy]

I love yorkies and I love their breed but im sure there are plenty of people out there dont care wether or not their baby has papers like mine did.... and of corse im going to resurch and ask plenty of questions like I was trying im sorry i think I was over reacting... I got kind of steemed im sure that no one would like being accused as not loving their dog which was what stood out to me the most... Talking about this 1-2yrs in advance should show im not trying to jump into anything... all i was planning was great pets... not showdogs, breeding dogs exc. are mixed breeds bad dogs because they were not planned to better the breed... am I not sypolsed to have puppies with my dog ever because she has no papers...

[kmm_fantacy]

Thankyou for everyones input i asked for sugestions... and i welcome them... thats why I started this was get more information... once again sorry I took it the wrong way at first...

I look forward to everyones continuing oppinions and sugestions...

thankyou ranantl2 for your story and oppinion...

[ranant12]

Also, to go along with my story above is what I call "the rest of the story."

Exactly 2 weeks after the birth of Diva's puppies, I was also dealing with my 13 year old having her tonsils out. She woke up on a Friday night to go to the bathroom and found Diva on the floor having a seizure. She woke me up and the minute I saw her I knew it was eclampsia. Thankfully my vet agreed to meet me at his office immediately and was able to bring her back around with a calcium IV. Diva was on supplements while nursing and I had researched eclampsia and did everything that was suggested but nursing 3 little puppies was just too much for her.

So at 2 weeks old, I began bottle feeding 3 puppies. Let me tell you it was a nightmare. I set a clock to wake up every 2 hours at night to feed which took about and hour if I was doing it by myself. Then I had to go to work the next day.

I will not breed again. Diva is scheduled to be spayed and the male puppy that had the deformed legs is staying with us and will be neutered as soon as it is safe. (Thankfully his legs seem fine now, but I will not sell him due to the issues he had with them at birth.)

Please, please think about what you will be putting your little girl through. Is it really worth the risk of losing her just to get a puppy.

By the way, my vet bill for just this litter was $2,436.18. I could have bought 4 puppies for what this one litter cost me.

[carmen in nj]

I will suggest that you READ and become educated in the breeding and whelping process before you even think about breeding, the TESTS that are required to make sure your girl and the stud are healthy,and free of genetic diseases. also you MUST have the cost of an emergency c section ready it can mean the life or death of your girl.. My son is a Vet Tech and I still got a mentor and joined and read and watch everything that came my way, I asked every question under the sun, and I got thrown into an accidental breeding and Thank God everything went well for the mama and the babies but I paid a pretty penny for sonograms, tests, x rays, and vet fees for what people called MUTTS, my stud mated with my youngest son's rescued Jack Rusell, she was supposed to been spayed before they adopted her out, well surprise she had a silent heat and my boy took advantage of it, I placed all but one of the puppies, I had him neutered and he lives a very happy live with me and my family, for the first two weeks of his live we thought we were going to loose him every hour, and every time he pull thru, tube feedings and lack of sleep he is a very healthy puppy today.is NO money that can pay for my and my hubbies long hours taking care of this dog, so he stayed..
so think about it and Educate your self first, just my advise to you ..
hugs,
Carmen in nj

[Kharise]

Originally Posted by kmm_fantacy

It would be in the future... just thinking ahead.... Alice doesnt have any papers... but I want her to be a mommy at least once so im not going to sell them for any great amount or anything... but is there any other way to find a stud other than on breeder sights the are so expencive... we just want babies....

Anyone have tips, sugestion, anything I should know..... anyone know of a boy that wants to make sweet sweet loving to my baby someday?

Well firstly I wouldn't breed a dog without papers. Secondly do you have her health tested? Any conformation showing? What if these puppies are born with some genetic disease way back in her lines. No one want a diseased puppy. And what if she needs a c-section? As far as I know some yorkie don't do well with anesthesia and her and the babies could die. You have to think about that.

The purpose of breeding is to better the breed. Not breed because you want her to have babies. There are thousands of yorkies in shelters because people decided they wanted their yorkie to have just one litter.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by kmm_fantacy

I love yorkies and I love their breed but im sure there are plenty of people out there dont care wether or not their baby has papers like mine did.... and of corse im going to resurch and ask plenty of questions like I was trying im sorry i think I was over reacting... I got kind of steemed im sure that no one would like being accused as not loving their dog which was what stood out to me the most... Talking about this 1-2yrs in advance should show im not trying to jump into anything... all i was planning was great pets... not showdogs, breeding dogs exc. are mixed breeds bad dogs because they were not planned to better the breed... am I not sypolsed to have puppies with my dog ever because she has no papers...

Why doesn't she have papers? Without papers you do not know her pedigree. If she is pure bred, she should have papers.

Are you thinking this is a cheap way to get a parti or Biewer? If so, you are wrong. It would be less expensive to buy one.

and the answer is, "yes" you are not supposed to breed a dog without papers.