Joan B. Gordon and Wildweir bloodlines and those New and Old to Yorkies

[wnalegria]

I was gave the opportunity to read some e-mail that was posted to member of YT by a fellow member of YT. I was very upset with the amount of misinformation.


Joan B. Gordon of the Wildweir kennels is very much still alive and doing well.
She is rather elderly but she has been out in the ring once in a while in the past few years. SHE HAS NOT BEEN DEAD FOR A LONG TIME. She lives in the Chicago area. Her twin Sister Janet E. Bennet had passed on to Yorkie Heaven. Nancy Donavon who also bred under Wildweir is still very much alive although not doing much in the way of bredding. Both Nancy and Joan co-owned The top 7 winning Yorkie of all Breed through November of 2001 Durrer's Preferred Stock with Betty Durrer.

If you do pedigree research you will find that many of you can trace the Wildeir bloodlines in your pedigrees. They made a tremendous impact on the breed with the yorkies that they imported and those that they bred. They loved the breed and had a great understanding of genetics. I was blessed to have known those folks and to have been able to watch, talk and learn from them.

Newbies- please be very careful when you start using the Private messages to talk with folks or your e-mail. There are a lot of people out there and some on here- that will sound like they have all the answers- but in fact they know nothing. There are people who have never bred anything- telling you al about breeding- people who have never showed a dog telling you all about showing-
people telling you about anything and everything.

There is a commercial on TV right now about a man who is flying a plane- you look down on the ground and there is a man on the ground waving his hands in a frantic manner. The man flying the plane announces to all in the plane that he has never flown a plane before and that the man on the ground
is the pilot. The catch is his comment that he did sleep in a brand name hotel last night. We have a lot of those pilots around here flying.


Newbies- that is why some of the threads turn into dog fights- feelings get hurt a lot of times - yours- that is not the intention. Some of us get upset and worried about you and the poor information that is being gave to you.
I have thought that some of these people that keep feeding out this garbage over and over are trying to make others fail.

Well Buster has a show this morning and I have to go and get him ready.

Please pardon my grumpy attitude and my like a teacher behavior. I am who I am- those who take the time have found that I am not that bad of a person and love to talk about this breed.

[red98vett]

GOOD POST !! I really agree here - things can be said in private pm or on the forum and many people take it as fact....when in reality - it might just be an opinion of someone. There has been a few things that make me wonder - "What if a new person sees this and thinks it's fact' ?

I like that we do have people who actually have experience with many of the subjects and would hate to see mis-information posted like the one you are talking about ....with a big site like this - it's very easy for everyone to be an 'expert' when in reality - they have no personal experience and I think that's when things do get heated.

We all have opinions - but in some cases we do need to remember - they are only opinions. I do feel bad that a woman is being discussed as passed away ....when she is actually alive - that would bother me for sure.

[red98vett]

To add one more thing - I saw this somewhere - and LOVED it - do you know anything about this site ?

http://www.turyanne.com/introduction.htm

When I read this - I said BRAVO To this woman ! I so agreed with her introduction and loved reading her page about her yorkies. I guess I just love the standard yorkie look so much.....We are seeing so many different changes in them that I feel so sad that such a beautiful little breed is being bred smaller and smaller ....it seems people are wanting to change them into something that needed no changing.

this is a direct quote off her site :

In the forty years that I have been in the breed, I have seen many different types of Yorkies, however in the past few years I feel we are really losing type and the new judges coming into the breed are finding it very difficult to be consistent in their placements when judging the Yorkshire Terrier.

[troubletb]

I agree with you about the false information given on this site. People have to remember when giving information a lot of it is just a persons opinion and not fact. But when people are trying to give acurate facts they need to make sure that they are indeed acurate!

And Villette, that quote from Kathleen Kolbert, is so sad!! But so true, you see so many different types of yorkies out there that it is hard for people to really know what a TRUE yorkies lines should look like.

I'm am by no means a expert on yorkies, nor did I ever claim to be, but I have read a lot and find out more and more each day.. Maybe in 20 years from now I will now enough! But never will claim to know everything. When I answer someones questions or try to help, my answers are either an opinion, from something I have experienced myself, or from something I read

There is a lot of good information on this site, We as members need to just sort through it.

[wnalegria]

Originally Posted by red98vett

To add one more thing - I saw this somewhere - and LOVED it - do you know anything about this site ?

http://www.turyanne.com/introduction.htm

When I read this - I said BRAVO To this woman ! I so agreed with her introduction and loved reading her page about her yorkies. I guess I just love the standard yorkie look so much.....We are seeing so many different changes in them that I feel so sad that such a beautiful little breed is being bred smaller and smaller ....it seems people are wanting to change them into something that needed no changing.

this is a direct quote off her site :

In the forty years that I have been in the breed, I have seen many different types of Yorkies, however in the past few years I feel we are really losing type and the new judges coming into the breed are finding it very difficult to be consistent in their placements when judging the Yorkshire Terrier.

Wonderful site and very true-

[sylvan]

As a breeder I am always looking to learn more and I have learned to analyze the information posted on here to separate truth from opinion. This is not easy, since there are an unfortunate number of people who sound very authoritative even though they really are misinformed. It is very frustrating when you see newbies being given bad advice or a pat on the head from someone who doesn't have a clue and is just passing off their opinion as fact. It is easier to judge after you have read many posts to get a feel for who is who, but newbies don't have this advantage. Too bad we don't have a seal of approval stamping for the people that should actually be dispensing advice. I am afraid that the first impression would be to take the advice of those who have large amounts of posts as a denotion of actual experience and that is unfortunate, since there is no correlation there.

[SilverStarShado]

This site has ALOT of good advice on here, though I have seen some posts with very poor information. Sometimes just being pointed in the right direction gives you something to help you research your problem that you are having. I seem to "google" everything, that way I am not so worried if I am truly getting the correct information. I too usually look for those members that have been here for awhile and also those that have a large amount of posts. Me personaly, I love YT and the members here are wonderful!

[Carters Mom]

This subject is very timely since I have recently begun talking with show breeders of many champions. I am absorbing as much information as I can in my dialog and am currently reading a book entitled "The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog" by Ann Seranne.

The more I learn, the more I realize that there is plenty of information that has been posted that is not accurate. Before I started doing my own research, I only "felt" that poor information was being stated as fact when it was not. Now . . . I KNOW what is incorrect.

Kathy . . . thank you for bringing this problem to light in a professional manner. You addressed each issue that was misinformation and gave the correct information.

In some ways, I cannot imagine how hard it is when you see poor information be posted as fact. It has to drive each of you absolutely crazy! I can understand how passionate you are in your posts when you do try to correct what has been said. Kudos to you! Each of you truly do care about the breed enough to want to help those that are not as knowledgable.

Lisa

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by sylvan

As a breeder I am always looking to learn more and I have learned to analyze the information posted on here to separate truth from opinion. This is not easy, since there are an unfortunate number of people who sound very authoritative even though they really are misinformed. It is very frustrating when you see newbies being given bad advice or a pat on the head from someone who doesn't have a clue and is just passing off their opinion as fact. It is easier to judge after you have read many posts to get a feel for who is who, but newbies don't have this advantage. Too bad we don't have a seal of approval stamping for the people that should actually be dispensing advice. I am afraid that the first impression would be to take the advice of those who have large amounts of posts as a denotion of actual experience and that is unfortunate, since there is no correlation there.

I AGREE so much with this - I AM NOT a breeder - I do read this section, but rarely post here - the information passed on here can be invaluable to a person looking and needing advise.... but you're right - newbies don't know who has actually experienced many of the questions posted... and it IS easy to believe all that we read.

The number of posts does NOT make anyone an expert - look at my count hehe - I'm FAR from an expert on anything....well - except maybe posting pictures

[Carters Mom]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I AGREE so much with this - I AM NOT a breeder - I do read this section, but rarely post here - the information passed on here can be invaluable to a person looking and needing advise.... but you're right - newbies don't know who has actually experienced many of the questions posted... and it IS easy to believe all that we read.

The number of posts does NOT make anyone an expert - look at my count hehe - I'm FAR from an expert on anything....well - except maybe posting pictures

V:

What is bad is that the inaccurate information is posted in more forums on the site than the breeding forum.

I also agree on post count.

Many breeders and show breeders are busy, busy, busy tending to their babies. They don't have time to post much but when they do . . . they should be like EF Hutton . . . (remember that commercial?).

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by Carters Mom

V:

What is bad is that the inaccurate information is posted in more forums on the site than the breeding forum.

I agree and I just used this as an example because we're in the breeding section - I know there is alot of threads that make us scratch our heads... but that is a WHOLE nother subject

[sylvan]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I AGREE so much with this - I AM NOT a breeder - I do read this section, but rarely post here - the information passed on here can be invaluable to a person looking and needing advise.... but you're right - newbies don't know who has actually experienced many of the questions posted... and it IS easy to believe all that we read.

The number of posts does NOT make anyone an expert - look at my count hehe - I'm FAR from an expert on anything....well - except maybe posting pictures

Villette, You have made this site a delightful place to be, not everyone has to be an authority to be invaluable. Your insight, wit and humor and pic posting ability keeps me coming back for more. Experts tend to be boring pontificators. You are the heart of the site. I am grateful for all your input.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by sylvan

Villette, You have made this site a delightful place to be, not everyone has to be an authority to be invaluable. Your insight, wit and humor and pic posting ability keeps me coming back for more. Experts tend to be boring pontificators. You are the heart of the site. I am grateful for all your input.

THANK you !! that means alot to hear and the same goes to you - I always enjoy your posts ...and really have learned alot from YOU. So...thank YOU for being here !

Click on picture to see my reaction to this post -

[wnalegria]

Originally Posted by Carters Mom

V:

What is bad is that the inaccurate information is posted in more forums on the site than the breeding forum.

I also agree on post count.

Many breeders and show breeders are busy, busy, busy tending to their babies. They don't have time to post much but when they do . . . they should be like EF Hutton . . . (remember that commercial?).

Some of us try and look at all the topics. You must be careful- don't assume that just because some one posts a lot they know what they are talking about. Might just be that this person has a lot of time on thier hands and knows nothing. There are topics at time that are posted just to cause a fight- or answers that are posted just to get some hot under the collar. We bite everytime- cause we want to protect those who do not know any better.

It is no fun trying to respond to this and then have the person act like Barney Fife and start screaming" Citizens Arrest" to the Aministration with the result that you are suspended and that person goes forth stating things/comments that ADMIN. knows are not true. It is hard-makes me grumpy and sound more and more like a nag.


Do I know it all- no way- I learn things everyday and try things that others say work for them. In a lot of things it is trial and error as to what will work for you.

[txshopper73]

Great post, Kathy. well, I would hope that if I had misinformed anyone on anything that someone would pm me and let me know instead of talking about it to other members through pm-s.