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03-20-2009, 05:07 PM | #1 |
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| My Small Yorkie The vet has told me that my little Daisy will probably be around 4 lbs. when grown. We would like to breed her, but the vet says that we will need to find a male that is smaller than 4 lbs. and that will be difficult. I am so disappointed ....we really wanted to breed her (my sisters want a Yorkie so badly). Would it really be that hard on Daisy if we didn't find a male that was smaller? Please advise. Thanks.
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03-20-2009, 05:08 PM | #2 | |
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03-20-2009, 05:22 PM | #3 |
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| At 4 lbs. you will be taking some pretty serious risks if you decide to breed your little Daisy. Even if you have a text book pregnancy and whelping, she is a very small girl and there isn't much room for error. Since you are talking with a vet about the possibility of breeding her, I am going to assume that you have had her "vetted" and all of the normal pre-breeding tests done. It is so much more involved than just finding a male smaller than Daisy. A small male can produce large pups and a larger male can produce smaller pups. Same is true for the female. So, you must look much deeper into the history of both the sire and dam and grandsire and dam and siblings of your female and the siblings of the prospective male. |
03-20-2009, 05:22 PM | #4 |
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| Breeding a yorkie under 5 lbs is risky, and even though the male should be smaller, the male is the one that produces the males or females, and the female is the one that determines the size of the pups(hope I worded that right). If she doesn't make it to at least 5 lbs, I would have her spayed and get one that is going to be the right size to breed, or just have your sister buy her own yorkie. I am going to breed, but, not for over a year yet(the female is only 11 weeks now, so, will be at least 1 1/2 years yet), and I have a lot of reading to do to get ready. There is more to breeding than just putting 2 dogs together. I will have all her testing done and make sure she's in good enough health to breed before actually breeding her. |
03-20-2009, 05:26 PM | #5 | |
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The majority of the pups our 3.25 lb. male has produced were right at 4 ounces, but he has produced a whopper 6 oz pup and a tiny 2.4 ounce pup all out of the same female. With our other female he produced pups that ranged between 4 and 5 ounces. Our 4.5 lb. male has only had one litter -- it was a large litter of 6 pups ranging in size from 3.5 oz. to almost 6 oz. Last edited by chattiesmom; 03-20-2009 at 05:27 PM. | |
03-20-2009, 09:01 PM | #6 |
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| From personal experience, I would not breed her. Our Sicily sounds just about the same- close to 4lbs (more around 3.5) but the vet said that as long as we found a male that was at least her same size or smaller, she'd be fine. The first litter that she had only had two pups, one of which got stuck and we had to pull him out (he didn't make it) and then rush Sicily to the vet for an emergency c-section to get the other puppy out. (This vet said that if we would have gotten her there 30 minutes later, neither would have survived.) Even if you plan for a c-section, they are very expensive, and if you are planning to breed and make your money back, you most likely won't. We did plan a second litter, due to the vet saying that it was more the fact that the first got stuck than Sicily's size (yet again, bad vet advice) that caused the problem, and the same thing happened. Luckily we had done x-rays and measurements this time, so we knew there were only 2 pups again, and we had to do another c-section. (This vet said that if there were 3+, we would have most likely been fine, but becaue there were only 2, they grew too big.) Yet another expensive vet bill, but not nearly as much as the emergency one. If your sister really wants a yorkie, I would go buy one. Once you figure in the cost of a stud (much more for a smaller stud) plus the vet bills (x-rays, possible c-section, checkups for the puppies, etc) You'll be spending WAY less. Plus, it really is taking a big chance on your little girl's life by breeding her. Now that I've actually gotten good advice both here and from a (finally!) good vet, we are going to be fixing both our little girls. In the future, if I do decide to breed again, I will definitely get a larger female that won't require as much human intervention. |
03-21-2009, 10:29 AM | #7 |
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| I thought I wanted to be a breeder. I asked a million questions, bought a dozen books, did my homework and had all the supplies at hand I thought we might need. Three weeks ago, my sweet Sadie had 5 beautiful puppies and I thought everything was going wonderfully. The second day, I felt something was wrong, could not find a symptom that sounded any alarms to the vet until the third day when she just went down so very fast. She had gone toxic and died despite our vet's efforts to save her. I knew there were risks, but Sadie was a big girl, 6 to 6.5 pounds and very healthy. I fooled myself into thinking she was somehow invincible and nothing could happen to her. Be very sure you are willing to give up your little Daisy before you breed her. Maybe you could just buy your sister a Yorkie from an established breeder? I love these precious little puppies I am bottle feeding, but if I could turn back time, I would have spayed Sadie and she would still be curled up on my lap. I don't think I can be a breeder. I am thankful some do, so I can have my Yorkies, but I just don't think I can put their lives in jeopardy after getting so attached to them.
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03-21-2009, 10:50 AM | #8 | |
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I am also someone who would never breed a small female. My vet also thought I should consider breeding my first little girl who was 4 lbs. It was never something I even considered, but after losing her I did find one to breed and she has given me some nice pups, she will soon be spayed, though. | |
03-21-2009, 11:03 AM | #9 |
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| She is so small. I would spay her and enjoy her as a pampered pet. It just isnt worth the risk of losing her is it?
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03-22-2009, 10:05 AM | #10 |
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| I would be too afraid to breed her. Anytime you breed you risk losing the mama. But when they are that tiny....It just isnt worth the chance
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03-22-2009, 02:50 PM | #11 |
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| Not only would I NOT breed her cause of her weight, but do you know her background? I mean you don't just mate 2 cute Yorkies together and say oh ok here we go Health, genetics , does anyone care about that? I want to know the parents I want to see health testing I want references where my next baby will come from. Like I posted I knew nothing of my dog's background and I have paid dearly for that , NO I love him and he will be with me forever, but you bet with my next baby I will be diligent and on top of things. You just don't put 2 dogs together and breed them without knowing their backgrounds. Sorry, just the way I feel Also when you buy from a reputable breeder there is a no breeding in the contract that you sign, most times, so why is that there if it's ok? Last edited by Bianca; 03-22-2009 at 02:52 PM. |
03-22-2009, 04:26 PM | #12 |
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| 4lbs is way too small to breed, you never know what can happen, and even getting a smaller male will not guarantee you will have smaller pups. You have to know the lines. Its a lot more than putting 2 dogs together, it is a work of labor, sweat & tears, just make sure you know what you are getting into.
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